Josh Jackson

[MarkC]

I agree Frizzell and Graham deserve a shot.
Cordner & Jackson can't really be blamed if the coach is using them the wrong way.
I don't really think playing in the middle suit Jackson, and Cordner should probably start.
Cordner starting in the 2nd row and Jackson on the bench makes some sense.

 

[t-ba]

The Dogs problems go deeper than that, but hopefully Des is on to it.

4 years to sort thus shit out. Des struck absolute gold at Manly in terns of a playing group. He is an absolutely amazing coach but I do not think building a squad is his strong point.

 

[KeepingTheFaith]

If Sterlo says "he's the best young forward in the game" often enough then eventually people in positions of power start to believe it.

He's a quality young player. But it's peculiar to say the least to select him as an option off the bench for NSW. I'm really not sure what they were thinking there.

Pretty much this. He's been getting praise from the channel 9 squad from the beginning. Doing all those little things - or as Gould likes to repeatedly say - Origin plays. Was always going to stick. Good defender, decent support player, but doesn't create much himself or do much at all to suck in defenders which is what you need to open up gaps on the outside in rep footy.

 

[macavity]

Tariq > Jackson

 

[aqua_duck]

I agree Frizzell and Graham deserve a shot.
Cordner & Jackson can't really be blamed if the coach is using them the wrong way.
I don't really think playing in the middle suit Jackson, and Cordner should probably start.
Cordner starting in the 2nd row and Jackson on the bench makes some sense.

They had Jackson on the bench for origin 2 and 3 this year and he offered zero impact, the roosters are showing how important it is to have impact players on the bench, guys like Taekeiaho and Evans come on and they can change a game, the impact factor applies doubly in origin, Jackson is not a game changer, he's not someone who can create something out of nothing, he's not a power runner either, he doesn't bend the line, at NRL level he can get away with it, at rep and even finals level it's a different ball game, his lack of size and power is a massive burden at this level, watch last years grand final and this years origin series, don't worry about not bending the line, he was getting driven back 2-3m every hit up. I mean he's a fairly decent defender (Friday night aside) but really at origin level being able to tackle should be a given for a backrower

 

[MarkC]

4 years to sort thus shit out. Des struck absolute gold at Manly in terns of a playing group. He is an absolutely amazing coach but I do not think building a squad is his strong point.

I think he can build a squad, but he is slow doing it.

Having Jackson on the bench at SOO is more because he is a utility that can cover backrow, center and hooker. I am not saying he is a ideal fit, just that he can do the job.
Starting in the backrow probably suits him better, but there may be better options.

Again there may be better options on the bench, you probably want 2 perhaps 3 impact players, Jackson may be OK on the bench with 3 other impact players.

While he can start in the middle and just tackle, he can't offer much in attack running up the middle. If the coach really wanted to do that, I would start him at hooker and have the hooker come on off the bench. That might not be a great option but it is better than starting Jackson in the 13.

Starting Jackson in the 13 may make more sense with reduced interchange, but only if the interchange is reduced to 6. If/when that happens the lock role will probably revert to something more like the historical role.

 

[big hit!]

I think he can build a squad, but he is slow doing it.

Having Jackson on the bench at SOO is more because he is a utility that can cover backrow, center and hooker. I am not saying he is a ideal fit, just that he can do the job.
Starting in the backrow probably suits him better, but there may be better options.

Again there may be better options on the bench, you probably want 2 perhaps 3 impact players, Jackson may be OK on the bench with 3 other impact players.

While he can start in the middle and just tackle, he can't offer much in attack running up the middle. If the coach really wanted to do that, I would start him at hooker and have the hooker come on off the bench. That might not be a great option but it is better than starting Jackson in the 13.

Starting Jackson in the 13 may make more sense with reduced interchange, but only if the interchange is reduced to 6. If/when that happens the lock role will probably revert to something more like the historical role.

he's not a rep player.

which makes starting him in the middle in game 1 even more astounding.

 

[MarkC]

he's not a rep player.

which makes starting him in the middle in game 1 even more astounding.

That may well be true.

But if they do pick him, they have to use him in a suitable role.

The fact that the 13 role did not suit him, makes you query the selection in the first place.
If he was picked solely for that role, it is a bad selection.

Coming off the bench is a suitable role. The question then is if he is good enough, sometimes the only way you can tell if a player is a rep player is to give them a shot.

Some guys are rep players, but take a few games to get the hang of it.

Short term, there are probably better options, longer term who knows .....
Players improve Jackson is improving, but I don't think he demands SOO selection at this stage of his career unless the coach has got a hunch that he will improve.

But in this case I would say the coach also had a hunch about playing him in the 13, on that evidence his hunches are not that good.

 

[aqua_duck]

These type of '

 

[t-ba]

I think he can build a squad, but he is slow doing it.

4 seasons he has had now. That is very slow for a guy who is supposed to have two premierships by 2020. He c3rtainly wasn't this slow at Manly.

 

[MarkC]

4 seasons he has had now. That is very slow for a guy who is supposed to have two premierships by 2020. He c3rtainly wasn't this slow at Manly.

Des took over at Manly in 2004 and won his first GF with Manly in 40-0 in 2008.

Things are going a bit slower at the Dogs, but not that slow.
It is not that easy to win a comp.

Any success always has 2 components, the players and the coach.
Des may have been lucky to find many of the right players earlier at Manly, or it may have been a fluke.

He record suggests he does know what he is doing.

 

[t-ba]

His record at Manly. Which so far, with vastly superior resources at his disposal, he has yet to reproduce.

I am not criticizing his coaching. I am criticizing his squad building. Next year will mark his 5th season at the dogs, and do you honestly see a premiership? Shitsome halves, dominant forwards, middle of the run backs. No balance whatsoever. Will not stand up to the top tier, and I can see clubs like the Dragons and the Sharks pulling ahead of them.

 

[Spot On]

He doesn't have the halves to win a comp. I know good halves are hard to find but for some reason he's been content to keep very ordinary players in the 6 and 7 jerseys.

 

[skeepe]

Jarrod Kennedy > Josh Jackson

 

[typicalfan]

Hasler has reached two grand finals in his time at the Bulldogs. Let's not pretend he has been an ordinary coach for the Bulldogs. I'd take him as a coach in a heartbeat.

 

[BennyV]

Plod Plodson.

 

[big hit!]

Hasler has reached two grand finals in his time at the Bulldogs. Let's not pretend he has been an ordinary coach for the Bulldogs. I'd take him as a coach in a heartbeat.

Agreed.

The final pieces of the puzzle is the halves. A couple of capable performers in this department and those 2 GF losses could easily have been GF wins. I know that sounds ironic considering the same two halves are Origin series winners, but there were other variables that contributed to that. In terms of the dogs and premierships, they were the weak link.

In 2015, the halves totally went off the boil. One area where they needed consistency for structure and combinations and they didn't have it.

Jackson is a handy NRL player. I wouldn't go any further than that at the moment.

 

[aqua_duck]

I think Hodkinson will be sorely missed next year (as he was at the latter stages of this year). Firstly I don't think Hodkinson is a superstar by any means but they clearly missed his goal and just his steadying influence, he's the game manager that team needs with the way they play. I also think Pritchard is a big loss, he was their best player the past month

 

[MarkC]

It is fairly hard to to predict how the Dogs will go in 2016 at this stage.

Everyone is focusing on the player losses but there are some low key gains - in particular Brad Abbey.

I also think there are perhaps 3 or 4 lower grade players possibly ready for promotion to the NRL.

Reynolds and MBye may be start the season as the halves combination, but that that should change to a better combination at that stage.

IMO that probably means Reynolds paying NSW cup.

The Dogs are also working slowly though signings and may sign new players possibly including halves, but the focus is more on retention and promotion at this stage.

I don't expect any big name high profile signings, but that does not mean they will not sign some quality players.

Equally, they could lose some players who they don't want to lose in particular Cook.

So the executive summary is - too many variables at this stage.

 

[Stranga]

Cordner shits all over third man in.

One more time now.

:lol: