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Junior Amone

itsme

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yep DP, Sullivan was building nicely and my thoughts were he would have made a showing around SOO, he was just getting sorted with Sloan in ressies. I would be very surprised if he makes it this weekend after being taken off in a stretcher and neck brace. But I think you are right that he is the key to both Amone and Sloan, even though I do think that Amone's defense is a bit shaky. I'm hoping it will improve with more time on the field.
Amone's defence is very shakey. In half a game he missed 6 tackles against the roosters. He is a grabber.
 

Dragon David

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Amone's defence is very shakey. In half a game he missed 6 tackles against the roosters. He is a grabber.
Amone, Sloan and Sullivan were part of an "elite" JF squad in 2019 - 3 years ago - which included several other "quality" young players who mostly have moved on/ progressed into either higher grades with us or to other clubs. From what I can see from highlights, and maybe other forumites who actually have been to their games might want to comment, what their defence was like. I am sure that they had no problems with their attack.

It is just that Hook put Sloan back into ressies to improve his online defence and benched Amone. Sullivan is the better defender of the three, that is why he gets injured so often and he needs to learn better tackling techniques like the other two maybe.

Great defence to me is more important than attack. If a team defends really well and maintains a high completion rate in every game, you win those games. Penrith is a good example of this.
 

denis preston

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Amone's defence is very shakey. In half a game he missed 6 tackles against the roosters. He is a grabber.
Yes , like all the young players like Walker & him , defence is built on confidence in their body and until the body matures arm grabbing is prevalent. Using their whole teenage body in tackles is not as effective as it is in a mature body. Agree with others here that we don't know what weight Amone will end up but he may also make an excellent lock.
 

Old Timer

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Yes , like all the young players like Walker & him , defence is built on confidence in their body and until the body matures arm grabbing is prevalent. Using their whole teenage body in tackles is not as effective as it is in a mature body. Agree with others here that we don't know what weight Amone will end up but he may also make an excellent lock.
You make a valid point re defence and confidence in your body.

Funny I see Amone as a perfect build for a centre as he has pace and some silky skills that would greatly benefit a quality winger. No doubt his defence would need to improve for him to play there though.

I still see Lomax with his build and strength as a natural lock and TBH his skill set for a high quality centre is probably a bit off the pace compared to the best of them.
 

justadragon

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You make a valid point re defence and confidence in your body.

Funny I see Amone as a perfect build for a centre as he has pace and some silky skills that would greatly benefit a quality winger. No doubt his defence would need to improve for him to play there though.

I still see Lomax with his build and strength as a natural lock and TBH his skill set for a high quality centre is probably a bit off the pace compared to the best of them.
I think I remember reading somewhere that Amone was seen as a future back rower, so heres hoping he can build himself up to handle that.
 

Dragon Blood

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I think I remember reading somewhere that Amone was seen as a future back rower, so heres hoping he can build himself up to handle that.
At the moment all I have seen from Amone is a lesser Bory Snoman without a kicking game. I don’t think he’s a sine player at this stage of his career , I hope I’m wrong and praying to be proven so
 

Dragon David

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Still very young and raw

transition from Jersey Flegg to NRL is huge and takes time

He is another player who would benefit greatly from early ball and space

The lack of quick play the ball and even slower service stifles our attack
The service from dummy half to the first receiver is too slow and this makes it easy for the defending team to prevent the ball being distributed to the outside men to give our backs more space to do their thing. Suli needs just a bit more and he will explode. In general our ball movement is way to slow all round compared to the much better teams.

Anyway, if you were a betting man, there are only two teams that will enjoy the cheers on grand final day and they are the Panthers and the Storm. At this stage there are no teams as far as I am concerned who are anywhere near as good as those two.

Amone will improve greatly. I can see it and he will develop. Just got to get balls out to him quickly and the guys need to do things at 100 kph not dawdle.
 

Gourley's Socks

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The service from dummy half to the first receiver is too slow and this makes it easy for the defending team to prevent the ball being distributed to the outside men to give our backs more space to do their thing.
I like Ben Hunt but I've found him very slow as first receiver also. When he opts to run he's quite quick but when he's going to pass, I'd say he's about the same pace as AM.

I'd love to see a bit more urgency from Hunt on the spreads because we can't support such lethargy from both 9 and 7.
 

Blood Shot Eyes

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I like Ben Hunt but I've found him very slow as first receiver also. When he opts to run he's quite quick but when he's going to pass, I'd say he's about the same pace as AM.

I'd love to see a bit more urgency from Hunt on the spreads because we can't support such lethargy from both 9 and 7.
Pointed it out last week on here, one of Hunts problems is he continues to try and sell that one handed dummy to himself far to often which quite often puts the players outside of him in two minds and hence slows the attack down and pulls it out of shape ....secondly he continues to crab sideways and just hands the ball to one of our flat footed forwards which results in a nothing play.......lastly we need someone else not just Hunt to kick downfield after the 5th tackle....I particularly noticed on Sunday how often he had to rush his kicks
 

justadragon

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Pointed it out last week on here, one of Hunts problems is he continues to try and sell that one handed dummy to himself far to often which quite often puts the players outside of him in two minds and hence slows the attack down and pulls it out of shape ....secondly he continues to crab sideways and just hands the ball to one of our flat footed forwards which results in a nothing play.......lastly we need someone else not just Hunt to kick downfield after the 5th tackle....I particularly noticed on Sunday how often he had to rush his kicks
Totally agree BSE, the case has always been made that hunt cannot continue to be the only playmaker and kicker in the side, its too one dimensional and very easy for the opposition to shut down, we need a point of difference desperately , look if its not Amone then it has got to be someone else with a fair deal of creativity, its not Bird either,
 

Dragon David

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Pointed it out last week on here, one of Hunts problems is he continues to try and sell that one handed dummy to himself far to often which quite often puts the players outside of him in two minds and hence slows the attack down and pulls it out of shape ....secondly he continues to crab sideways and just hands the ball to one of our flat footed forwards which results in a nothing play.......lastly we need someone else not just Hunt to kick downfield after the 5th tackle....I particularly noticed on Sunday how often he had to rush his kicks
We need a Scott Drinkwater type of player somewhere on the field as well who can kick. Someone with a bit of dash around the play the ball area. When the Panthers are attacking, Koroisau passes the ball out quickly to a player he sees as a likely tackle breaker or to a speedy half or back. Cleary is quick and so is Luai - they don't have much hesitation in what they do and so the other players act on their speed.
 

justadragon

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We need a Scott Drinkwater type of player somewhere on the field as well who can kick. Someone with a bit of dash around the play the ball area. When the Panthers are attacking, Koroisau passes the ball out quickly to a player he sees as a likely tackle breaker or to a speedy half or back. Cleary is quick and so is Luai - they don't have much hesitation in what they do and so the other players act on their speed.
Our problem is just not another creative playmaker , its the speed out of the ruck from the 9, do we bite the bullet and get young Mulheisen in there with Sullivan at 6.
 
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Funny I see Amone as a perfect build for a centre as he has pace and some silky skills
I have been saying the same as Junior is not a playmaker. If we had a more creative half I'd say keep him at 5/8 but the skipper is not that. Junior may have missed a few tackles, prob nerves but he made some beauts too. The tackle of the day was the grass cutter by Moses on that runaway Tiger.. stopped a probable try.
 

possm

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Totally agree BSE, the case has always been made that hunt cannot continue to be the only playmaker and kicker in the side, its too one dimensional and very easy for the opposition to shut down, we need a point of difference desperately , look if its not Amone then it has got to be someone else with a fair deal of creativity, its not Bird either,
I'd say our best option in the halves right now is Bird 6 and Hut 7 however, they need a better game plan:
Get good, clean ball to our centers in tackles 3 and 4 of each set.
Put up attacking high kick to the right wing for Lomax and Ravalawa.
Try to put players through the line rather than just pass the ball to to a runner who engages the opposition defense.
 

Dragon David

First Grade
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Harry Grant won the rookie of the year playing for the Tigers in 2020 he was 22 Mulheisen is 21 now so not sure what Dragons are waiting for?
That's because we have signed McCullough to the end of 2023 and Hook was instrumental in getting him to our club and he will stick by him until then is what I think.

Maybe next year Hook will bring Connor Muhleisen into first grade for a few games next year like he has done with the other young guns.

We do need a faster hooker to get things moving along much quicker than what is being dished up by McCullough. The backs can then count on receiving the ball sooner after settlers from the forwards in a couple of early tackles and they can also spread themselves further apart and run onto the ball which is lacking at the moment.

Again, it is not rocket science and this is where our coaches lack so much as compared to the likes of the Storm and Panthers.
 

Harry Bath

Juniors
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That's because we have signed McCullough to the end of 2023 and Hook was instrumental in getting him to our club and he will stick by him until then is what I think.

Maybe next year Hook will bring Connor Muhleisen into first grade for a few games next year like he has done with the other young guns.

We do need a faster hooker to get things moving along much quicker than what is being dished up by McCullough. The backs can then count on receiving the ball sooner after settlers from the forwards in a couple of early tackles and they can also spread themselves further apart and run onto the ball which is lacking at the moment.

Again, it is not rocket science and this is where our coaches lack so much as compared to the likes of the Storm and Panthers.
I am afraid Hook becoming more and more like Mary with his favorites being selected week after week!
Dragons are pretty much the only team in the NRL with only 1 recognised hooker in their top 13
 

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