Junior Amone

[The Silverdale Phantom]

It’s kind of cruel on him to be training with the club because it might contribute to a false sense of reality for him.

He was there pretending or looking relaxed at training, happy even, which can’t really be the case.

It’s a big distraction for other players.

And my strongest argument is that he’s using time and resources another kid needs, that the club would be far better off investing in.

It’s not a good look for the club either.

I think he needs a lot of counselling, I think he should consider extending his charity and other community service work.

So if he pleads or is found guilty to any charge, he can muster up these good deeds to put to the court in his favour. He should do things he doesn’t have to do, make some sacrifices, do all that anger management and counselling stuff.

He should certainly look to help tradie and his family even, if he can, without admitting he’s done anything wrong but definitely if he pleads guilty.

It might not save him from a custodial if he’s guilty but it may be taken into account. Isn’t something to help him better than nothing?

But this running about laughing and training with the squad pretending he’s part of the side,

Giggling away pretending he is a fully licensed and authorised NRL player. That he is like everyone else at training.

He’s not.

Junior is engaged in acts of denial, so is the club. It’s unrealistic and it’s harmful.

And I was reflecting on what people said earlier about culture ( good and strong whatever) and it’s a bad culture if everyone is feeding him blue sky promises. She will be right mate. You’re part of the gang. That’s just not true. Right now, he’s a genuine liability and most of the civilised folk in the club think he’s really stupid or a bad person. For better or worse, for reasons true or false, no one trusts him anymore.

The players, the group he likes and wants to be close to, they can’t help him. You see that in the interviews.

Someone has to sit down with him and tell him what’s going on. A bit of honesty. Hook?

If he goes to gaol, he’s going to be asking himself who helped him and who didn’t. He’s going to ask himself if he did everything he could.

And he’s just a kid, he’s relying on others, he really needs the tough love and needs to be cut loose, given the good oil and adequate support.

He’s not facing a pacific cruise.

 

[bathtime]

It’s kind of cruel on him to be training with the club because it might contribute to a false sense of reality for him.

He was there pretending or looking relaxed at training, happy even, which can’t really be the case.

It’s a big distraction for other players.

And my strongest argument is that he’s using time and resources another kid needs, that the club would be far better off investing in.

It’s not a good look for the club either.

I think he needs a lot of counselling, I think he should consider extending his charity and other community service work.

So if he pleads or is found guilty to any charge, he can muster up these good deeds to put to the court in his favour. He should do things he doesn’t have to do, make some sacrifices, do all that anger management and counselling stuff.

He should certainly look to help tradie and his family even, if he can, without admitting he’s done anything wrong but definitely if he pleads guilty.

It might not save him from a custodial if he’s guilty but it may be taken into account. Isn’t something to help him better than nothing?

But this running about laughing and training with the squad pretending he’s part of the side,

Giggling away pretending he is a fully licensed and authorised NRL player. That he is like everyone else at training.

He’s not.

Junior is engaged in acts of denial, so is the club. It’s unrealistic and it’s harmful.

And I was reflecting on what people said earlier about culture ( good and strong whatever) and it’s a bad culture if everyone is feeding him blue sky promises. She will be right mate. You’re part of the gang. That’s just not true. Right now, he’s a genuine liability and most of the civilised folk in the club think he’s really stupid or a bad person. For better or worse, for reasons true or false, no one trusts him anymore.

The players, the group he likes and wants to be close to, they can’t help him. You see that in the interviews.

Someone has to sit down with him and tell him what’s going on. A bit of honesty. Hook?

If he goes to gaol, he’s going to be asking himself who helped him and who didn’t. He’s going to ask himself if he did everything he could.

And he’s just a kid, he’s relying on others, he really needs the tough love and needs to be cut loose with adequate support.

Those are my thoughts at the moment anyway.

This is the best post so far. It is well thought out on personal, professional and legal grounds. cheers and yes agree.

 

[Old Timer]

Overwhelmingly the biggest problem is the delay in the legal system itself

Matters take so long to get into court and then of course the inevitable delays and appeals process.

From what has been reported the case itself should only be a few days to a week at most.

 

[The Silverdale Phantom]

This is the best post so far. It is well thought out on personal, professional and legal grounds. cheers and yes agree.

Thanks a lot, it took a little while to collect my thoughts.

 

[BLM01]

Overwhelmingly the biggest problem is the delay in the legal system itself

Matters take so long to get into court and then of course the inevitable delays and appeals process.

From what has been reported the case itself should only be a few days to a week at most.

 

[BLM01]

Hope he stays away completely. Will be a massive distraction just like Debellin was .

Dont agree but agree to disagree. The only time it would be a distraction when the media turn up like today. Debelin was possibly (as we were not there) a large distraction for different reasons
I agree he should stay out of team plays when they are preparing for a game on the weekend
They train in multiple positions in pre-season. They would already have others training at 6 as well

 

[The Silverdale Phantom]

Overwhelmingly the biggest problem is the delay in the legal system itself

Matters take so long to get into court and then of course the inevitable delays and appeals process.

From what has been reported the case itself should only be a few days to a week at most.

If we provided the cops, lawyers, courts etc with all of the resources they needed to expedite the matter it may be able to be prepared more quickly.

But as for how long it will take to hear, that depends on many variables.

Junior is facing 14 years in custody and I would be horrified if any corners were cut and he didn’t receive his whole fair go under law.

And I would feel pretty unhappy if the cops had to compromise their case too. They deserve a similar respect.


Whatever the result we all need to know the process had integrity.

I don’t care if it takes three years to finalise, so long as everyone gets their due.

Thats what I would want for myself.

Then if I go down, I can accept the decision, everyone can and we move on.

Once we start cutting corners with justice, we end up with corruption and a banana republic.

Junior can expedite the process if he pleads guilty, but he shouldn’t have to unless he is.

A lot of water to pass undef the bridge yet.

Delays aren’t great, I agree, but in justice matters, we need to reach the right decision. Too much at stake for everyone.

Junior is looking at the end of his life as he knows it and massive family financial and emotional suffering forever after. The poor alleged victim is probably already screaming in pain at night when he rolls over. He could be totally finished physically and mentally already and his family.

So I think it’s worth the checks and balances.

 

[Nanadragon]

Thanks a lot, it took a little while to collect my thoughts.

I can't help wondering why you care, not being a Dragons supporter.

 

[The Silverdale Phantom]

I can't help wondering why you care, not being a Dragons supporter.

General interest.

 

[possm]

This club is just happy to be competing and not come last each year. Bunch of mediocre shitmerkins

This club is not looking past the backroom deal of Dean Young being appointed head coach in 2024. Everything is on hold waiting for the big cleanout of players and head coach. Ensuring the dead wood is gone giving Dean the best possible chance of success in his first season.

If we provided the cops, lawyers, courts etc with all of the resources they needed to expedite the matter it may be able to be prepared more quickly.

But as for how long it will take to hear, that depends on many variables.

Junior is facing 14 years in custody and I would be horrified if any corners were cut and he didn’t receive his whole fair go under law.

And I would feel pretty unhappy if the cops had to compromise their case too. They deserve a similar respect.


Whatever the result we all need to know the process had integrity.

I don’t care if it takes three years to finalise, so long as everyone gets their due.

Thats what I would want for myself.

Then if I go down, I can accept the decision, everyone can and we move on.

Once we start cutting corners with justice, we end up with corruption and a banana republic.

Junior can expedite the process if he pleads guilty, but he shouldn’t have to unless he is.

A lot of water to pass undef the bridge yet.

Delays aren’t great, I agree, but in justice matters, we need to reach the right decision. Too much at stake for everyone.

Junior is looking at the end of his life as he knows it and massive family financial and emotional suffering forever after. The poor alleged victim is probably already screaming in pain at night when he rolls over. He could be totally finished physically and mentally already and his family.

So I think it’s worth the checks and balances.

When players are stood now by the NRL, it should be the NRL that takes care of the player, including 'fitness training', and well-being. This should be part of the conditions contained in the stand-down policy.

 

[justadragon]

If we provided the cops, lawyers, courts etc with all of the resources they needed to expedite the matter it may be able to be prepared more quickly.

But as for how long it will take to hear, that depends on many variables.

Junior is facing 14 years in custody and I would be horrified if any corners were cut and he didn’t receive his whole fair go under law.

And I would feel pretty unhappy if the cops had to compromise their case too. They deserve a similar respect.


Whatever the result we all need to know the process had integrity.

I don’t care if it takes three years to finalise, so long as everyone gets their due.

Thats what I would want for myself.

Then if I go down, I can accept the decision, everyone can and we move on.

Once we start cutting corners with justice, we end up with corruption and a banana republic.

Junior can expedite the process if he pleads guilty, but he shouldn’t have to unless he is.

A lot of water to pass undef the bridge yet.

Delays aren’t great, I agree, but in justice matters, we need to reach the right decision. Too much at stake for everyone.

Junior is looking at the end of his life as he knows it and massive family financial and emotional suffering forever after. The poor alleged victim is probably already screaming in pain at night when he rolls over. He could be totally finished physically and mentally already and his family.

So I think it’s worth the checks and balances.

I get all that you are saying, but to me and I'm certainly no expert in teenagers or young NRL players psychology, the question I have is why and not even for a split second was there any thought of " hey if I pick this hammer up and assault this guy, my life and my career are over, gone !!! Where was the connection in this kids brain that because he parked on a nature strip not to the Ammone's liking the appropriate punishment should be try and kill him with a hammer !!!
I'm sure that there is a lot more dialog, but FFS take 1 millisecond to think about things, FFS its a nature strip, who cares , call the cops, call the council, call lifeline !!!

 

[SaintPeter]

I seriously cant believe someone would want an ex player as our coach, after the last total fiasco.
We should be aiming for someone without previous club prejudice/ties/favors/history/etc/etc.
Decisions by a coach need to be made (everyday) without sway, bias or predisposition.

 

[redandwhite4evr]

This club is not looking past the backroom deal of Dean Young being appointed head coach in 2024. Everything is on hold waiting for the big cleanout of players and head coach. Ensuring the dead wood is gone giving Dean the best possible chance of success in his first season.

When players are stood now by the NRL, it should be the NRL that takes care of the player, including 'fitness training', and well-being. This should be part of the conditions contained in the stand-down policy.

There may be some exceptions but-yes- the NRL enacted this policy and, particularly because it turns the long-held principle of innocent till proven guilty on its head-and we all know what happened with De Belin- it needs to provide for the consequences as well.

I'm more concerned about the Dragons waiting for the inevitable charges against Amone, despite the likelihood of not having Ramsey (who hasn't done a pre-season for a position which demands peak fitness) for the best part of 2023- before seeking salary cap relief. As happened when we finally had leave to find a replacement for De Belin, the salary and time limitations were bad enough on what we could offer but also the good players were gone, and we only had the dregs to choose from.

 

[R&WTILLIDIE]

This club is not looking past the backroom deal of Dean Young being appointed head coach in 2024. Everything is on hold waiting for the big cleanout of players and head coach. Ensuring the dead wood is gone giving Dean the best possible chance of success in his first season.

When players are stood now by the NRL, it should be the NRL that takes care of the player, including 'fitness training', and well-being. This should be part of the conditions contained in the stand-down policy.

So you think the club will go all out for Dean Young in the near future?

 

[The Silverdale Phantom]

I get all that you are saying, but to me and I'm certainly no expert in teenagers or young NRL players psychology, the question I have is why and not even for a split second was there any thought of " hey if I pick this hammer up and assault this guy, my life and my career are over, gone !!! Where was the connection in this kids brain that because he parked on a nature strip not to the Ammone's liking the appropriate punishment should be try and kill him with a hammer !!!
I'm sure that there is a lot more dialog, but FFS take 1 millisecond to think about things, FFS its a nature strip, who cares , call the cops, call the council, call lifeline !!!

I agree wholeheartedly.

Actions usually have consequences, something we know from experience -except for people with profound disabilities.

There is room in the law for people to do irregular things when faced with an acute and proximate threat. But roofie was originally some distance away from the lads.

I wish I had a satisfactory explanation for Juniors lack of cogency and composure. It would be brave defence to run an insanity argument.

In any sentencing he would almost certainly claim at least a temporary psychological impediment at the time, probably caused by underlying factors. He would need an expert for that to be considered properly. Whether that flies, who knows.

But your point is a good one, of all the options he had available, he chose the worst option. He may not be sharpest tool in the shed, but on a common sense basis, most people would struggle to defy logic in the manner as he did ( as reported). Only a very basic understanding of his place in the world was required.

And to aggravate it, our nrl players are constantly pumped with good behaviour requests, contracts and he had jdb there as a living embodiment of risk avoidance.

 

[justadragon]

I seriously cant believe someone would want an ex player as our coach, after the last total fiasco.
We should be aiming for someone without previous club prejudice/ties/favors/history/etc/etc.
Decisions by a coach need to be made (everyday) without sway, bias or predisposition.

We have Hook who meets all your criteria, how is that working out for us ???

 

[The Silverdale Phantom]

When players are stood now by the NRL, it should be the NRL that takes care of the player, including 'fitness training', and well-being. This should be part of the conditions contained in the stand-down policy.

You are right, but I think the clubs try to do it anyway.

It just should be done away from the club environment.

Maybe a personal trainer, counsellors and other support.

But there’s probably no nice, polite or easy way of setting aside a player.

But the hard discussions are due.

If he’s not at least coming up with career options other than rugby league, he’s doing himself a disservice.

 

[Dragon Blood]

General interest.

Mate, as a Tigers supporter you sure do spend a lot of time posting in the Dragons forum.

By any chance are you Curtis from the RedV podcast with Jack aka jackyboi90?

 

[Mojo]

You are right, but I think the clubs try to do it anyway.

It just should be done away from the club environment.

Maybe a personal trainer, counsellors and other support.

But there’s probably no nice, polite or easy way of setting aside a player.

But the hard discussions are due.

If he’s not at least coming up with career options other than rugby league, he’s doing himself a disservice.

I've got radical suggestion: how about players start acting like adults and respectable citizens instead of being moronic, juvenile posers so that they don't put the Club that has given them opportunities beyond belief into untenable positions?

The NRL's no fault standdown policy doesn't defy the principal of innocence until proven guilty - it temporarily prevents possible violent criminals from participating in the game pending the findings of the legal process.

These guys owe the club - not the other way around.

Police don't lay charges without very good reasons.

What would happen if we had Ivan Millat playing 1st grade and let him continue playing until he was found guilty?

 

[Illusion]

I've got radical suggestion: how about players start acting like adults and respectable citizens instead of being moronic, juvenile posers so that they don't put the Club that has given them opportunities beyond belief into untenable positions?

The NRL's no fault standdown policy doesn't defy the principal of innocence until proven guilty - it temporarily prevents possible violent criminals from participating in the game pending the findings of the legal process.

These guys owe the club - not the other way around.

Police don't lay charges without very good reasons.

What would happen if we had Ivan Millat playing 1st grade and let him continue playing until he was found guilty?

Can he play in the forwards ......