Junior Amone

[The Silverdale Phantom]

If Junior is incapable of comprehending that you can't attack people with a hammer (as alleged), even if provoked, then I don't want him playing for us. Quaint, I know. Personally, the more lowlife behaviour comes to light, the less I want to support them. Simple.
Clean up this BS and play some decent footy FFS! It's not complicated. How long are we going to tolerate this crap?

Apt use of sarcasm imho.

 

[R&WTILLIDIE]

I’m just visiting this thread really because it’s interesting. No axe to grind or ulterior purpose.

The dragons are a solid club, Im a well-wisher.

Solid as in their players and board members have rocks in their head?

 

[randomdragon]

Solid as in their players and board members have rocks in their head?

solid as in they are literal statues.

 

[The Silverdale Phantom]

You can’t beat our Tigers lot for observing the sacred rites of nepotism. Sheens appoints himself as coach when he was supposed to actually hiring one.

Sure you got a board member who inherited her position, but don’t forget she’s got as much coaching experience as Benji.

 

[Walpole]

Dragons seeking salary cap relief -

Dragons chase salary cap relief following Amone stand down

The Red V are looking to hit the market.

www.zerotackle.com

Looking to hit the market? There's an idea.

Someone must have looked around and thought 'shit, there's less than 2 months until our first game and we haven't got a team'.

 

[jak]

Looking to hit the market? There's an idea.

Someone must have looked around and thought 'shit, there's less than 2 months until our first game and we haven't got a team'.

someone had to have there BBQ first its all about prioritising at this club

 

[possm]

Here comes the Flannagan for Sullivan swap offer by the Dogs.

 

[redandwhite4evr]

If they weren't playing footy for a living what would they be doing?

Community / media expectation is way to high and IMO players of today are on par with players of yesteryear re behaviour and the fact is little has changed.

Their stature as "role models" is one we keep giving them and is a total myth.

I'm not sure what a role model is exactly but a footballer of any code would be way down in my list of "occupations" that I would want any son or daughter of mine to emulate. They just happen to be born big, or fast or well-coordinated or able to kick a ball (depending on the code). They play a team game but apart from that their focus is a selfish one- ie make as much money as I can before age or injury and/or the decisions of management dictate that I need to retire. Nothing intrinsically wrong with any of that and good luck to them but most are forgotten within months of their departure from the game.

My idea of a role model is someone like Jim Molan who I hope earns a State funeral. An educated man who served his country militarily for 40 years, internationally respected for his contributions in multiple theatres of war in that time, a published author with a brilliant mind, who left a legacy and yet able to speak to people of all backgrounds. HIs family were affected by his placements all over the world but they remained close and intact.

Yes, I know people of his ilk don't come along every day but I guess that I'm saying that part of being a role model is that it takes some real personal sacrifice and effort beyond doing a pre-season and training for match day.

 

[Old Timer]

I'm not sure what a role model is exactly but a footballer of any code would be way down in my list of "occupations" that I would want any son or daughter of mine to emulate. They just happen to be born big, or fast or well-coordinated or able to kick a ball (depending on the code). They play a team game but apart from that their focus is a selfish one- ie make as much money as I can before age or injury and/or the decisions of management dictate that I need to retire. Nothing intrinsically wrong with any of that and good luck to them but most are forgotten within months of their departure from the game.

My idea of a role model is someone like Jim Molan who I hope earns a State funeral. An educated man who served his country militarily for 40 years, internationally respected for his contributions in multiple theatres of war in that time, a published author with a brilliant mind, who left a legacy and yet able to speak to people of all backgrounds. HIs family were affected by his placements all over the world but they remained close and intact.

Yes, I know people of his ilk don't come along every day but I guess that I'm saying that part of being a role model is that it takes some real personal sacrifice and effort beyond doing a pre-season and training for match day.

I was with you until the Jim Molan bit

When he lost his place at No 1 on the Libs (not that I like them) senate ticket he turned on them, backgrounded them, campaigned against them, ran against them only to return to the fold when it suited.

Watched him on SKY running their stupid and misguided negative conservative agenda so he’s not my kind of role model.

Now my mum & dad and my grandparents they were role models of the highest order.

 

[Como Connection]

I was with you until the Jim Molan bit

When he lost his place at No 1 on the Libs (not that I like them) senate ticket he turned on them, backgrounded them, campaigned against them, ran against them only to return to the fold when it suited.

Watched him on SKY running their stupid and misguided negative conservative agenda so he’s not my kind of role model.

Now my mum & dad and my grandparents they were role models of the highest order.

Well stated comrade!
CC

 

[2218]

Well stated comrade!
CC

commo connection

 

[Como Connection]

commo connection

Socialist pal.
CC

 

[Old Timer]

commo connection

You have a little bit to learn

 

[The Silverdale Phantom]

Getting back to Junior, I was doing some research on the gaol population and it’s probably no surprise but about 1 in 5 prisoners are doing time for some kind of personal assault or violence to another.

That’s a significant and serious exposure to those with a pre disposition or history of violence compared to say the public exposure. The chances of getting mugged in gaol seem quite high.

I think we worked out earlier, there’s one person with a criminal conviction of some kind or another for every 77 punters. The chance of you bumping into a person who has just been released from gaol for a violent offence is very remote.

Probably some mental health issues happening with a proportion of these as well.

If he gets sentenced, the court may look at three things as to objective gravity mainly:

Firstly, the extent and nature of the injuries. As I understood it, they are significant but not life threatening as tradie ran away. But who knows? There were multiple injuries, he was pretty close to being very seriously injured, maybe worse I think. He fell in a lucky way. I’m glad he did.

Secondly, the degree of violence used and the ferocity of the attack. Well the reports say this is extensive. He could be in a higher range here. Not so good for Junior. They were running to their target. Junior is a fit young guy with in NRL condition. He would be scary with a hammer too.

Thirdly, the intention of the offender to inflict harm. Well going at tradie with a hammer and I read he hit him, or at least caused him to fall. He wasn’t up on the roof to help clear leaves. He seemed to up there as he intended something.

Then he talks about still getting tradie after he’s hit the air conditioning unit and is on the ground. Sounds like he’s done all that, looking at the damage and still intending to harm. Remember the other guy had to remove the ladder?

The added bit of being in company, I might look at that later. We know it adds a chunk to the maximum sentence, so it’s very serious.

So if he is guilty and the reports have a ring of truth about them, on the balance, I think the court is more likely to lock him up.

He doesn’t appear to be any kind of genuine chance for a light or lower end sentence, on objective seriousness grounds. I think he’s more mid range at best.

But that’s before looking at things in his favour and a number of other variables we dont know about.

Twill be what it will be, but if the reports are true, a realistic appraisal is a decent custodial.

I appreciate the first offence consideration, but it’s quite the first offence. Most murderers are first offenders for this type of crime I think.

If the tradie died…anyway I won’t go there.

He is entitled to the presumption of innocence at this time, but is on bail and is on no fault stand down. So this grand notion of presumption as a question of actual practice, well, you can make your own mind up.

 

[2218]

You have a little bit to learn

You have a little bit to learn

what on inference and parody where did i go wrong?

 

[HenryTatana]

I’m just waiting for Albert’s reference.

 

[possm]

I say, obtain the authority to replace Amone's spot on our salary cap and move on. I would in practice move Sloan to five-eighth during the remainder of the pre-season and put Mbye at fullback until we get the final word on Ramsey. In this way Sloan will not have to defend one on one so often as he has to at fullback and maybe, just maybe he will improve his defense and gain confidence defending in a pair with an edge forward most of the time.

 

[Old Timer]

Getting back to Junior, I was doing some research on the gaol population and it’s probably no surprise but about 1 in 5 prisoners are doing time for some kind of personal assault or violence to another.

That’s a significant and serious exposure to those with a pre disposition or history of violence compared to say the public exposure. The chances of getting mugged in gaol seem quite high.

I think we worked out earlier, there’s one person with a criminal conviction of some kind or another for every 77 punters. The chance of you bumping into a person who has just been released from gaol for a violent offence is very remote.

Probably some mental health issues happening with a proportion of these as well.

If he gets sentenced, the court may look at three things as to objective gravity mainly:

Firstly, the extent and nature of the injuries. As I understood it, they are significant but not life threatening as tradie ran away. But who knows? There were multiple injuries, he was pretty close to being very seriously injured, maybe worse I think. He fell in a lucky way. I’m glad he did.

Secondly, the degree of violence used and the ferocity of the attack. Well the reports say this is extensive. He could be in a higher range here. Not so good for Junior. They were running to their target. Junior is a fit young guy with in NRL condition. He would be scary with a hammer too.

Thirdly, the intention of the offender to inflict harm. Well going at tradie with a hammer and I read he hit him, or at least caused him to fall. He wasn’t up on the roof to help clear leaves. He seemed to up there as he intended something.

Then he talks about still getting tradie after he’s hit the air conditioning unit and is on the ground. Sounds like he’s done all that, looking at the damage and still intending to harm. Remember the other guy had to remove the ladder?

The added bit of being in company, I might look at that later. We know it adds a chunk to the maximum sentence, so it’s very serious.

So if he is guilty and the reports have a ring of truth about them, on the balance, I think the court is more likely to lock him up.

He doesn’t appear to be any kind of genuine chance for a light or lower end sentence, on objective seriousness grounds. I think he’s more mid range at best.

But that’s before looking at things in his favour and a number of other variables we dont know about.

Twill be what it will be, but if the reports are true, a realistic appraisal is a decent custodial.

I appreciate the first offence consideration, but it’s quite the first offence. Most murderers are first offenders for this type of crime I think.

If the tradie died…anyway I won’t go there.

He is entitled to the presumption of innocence at this time, but is on bail and is on no fault stand down. So this grand notion of presumption as a question of actual practice, well, you can make your own mind up.

You forgot the bit where he had already menacingly and severely damaged the property of the tradie before getting onto the roof to then inflict physical bodily damage.

So the first outpouring of Amone’s rage on an inanimate object was not enough to satisfy any grievance he thought he might have had (still no justification for his actions) he then had clear intent to commit further harm to persons who were in fact on the roof of another persons house.

 

[The Silverdale Phantom]

You forgot the bit where he had already menacingly and severely damaged the property of the tradie before getting onto the roof to then inflict physical bodily damage.

So the first outpouring of Amone’s rage on an inanimate object was not enough to satisfy any grievance he thought he might have had (still no justification for his actions) he then had clear intent to commit further harm to persons who were in fact on the roof of another persons house.

Yes I see your point.

He’s got property damage as a seperate charge, but yes, if the reports are true, his conduct from car to roof seems to be intentional.

He has to go right out of his way to scurry up that ladder and I will add another concern to your point, somewhere along the way he grabbed a hammer….which he then used.

So from ute to roof, both tests of ferocity and intent seem to be further aggravated.

The injury is more of a consequential result of the alleged crime.

Having smashed the car windscreen into bits, (which is juvenile and especially stupid on any construction) I agree that he had ample opportunity to compose himself and pull up.

By that time, roofie couldn’t just drive way as the car could not be driven. That’s probably another offence because he’s impeding roofies free lawful movement.

And he has an accomplice, very scary for roofie and the roof environment itself is extremely dangerous in and of itself.

If he pleads of is found guilty on what has been reported I can’t see a suspended sentence or slap in the wrist.

 

[randomdragon]

Why don’t we just wait for the evidence in court? I’m sure there are many mitigating factors the defence will use. Wait a few months and we will find out.