Junior Development and Reward for Clubs

[franklin2323]

If that's the case why doesn't the nrl reward that.

$$$ the bigger clubs Broncos aside have no juniors. They will always out vote the smaller clubs

 

[franklin2323]

Right next to Kempsey


Being serious for a moment, this is 2014, not 1974. Juniors are developed in a different way than they were before. We signed Milford to our development system when he was 13 years old, he's been contracted to our club from the age of 13, through to now as the best 20 year old product in the code.

If he's anyone's junior, he's ours. You dont get them younger than 13. He is who is he is because of a) the hard work and talent of Anthony Milford himself and b) the hardwork and dedication by the Canberra Raiders to him

if you want to call him something else, go ahead, no one can stop you. But by any objective measure and 99% of objective people will tell you he's our junior. If you want to be pedantic, he's a Raiders junior, not a Canberra junior.

Of course but you risk them getting homesick. The NRL can't control that

 

[oikee]

Of course but you risk them getting homesick. The NRL can't control that

Spot on, and is why i mentioned that Canberra should buy players who are established.
They spend so much time trying to develop young players, only to see them get sick of living in Canberra, which is a hole, lets tell the truth, when they could be in the market for established superstars.

Another system is the player loan like Superleague do.

 

[Chook]

where in Queensland do i find Canberra?

In the context of the thread, this is the dumbest post to date.

Chook.

 

[Chook]

Spot on, and is why i mentioned that Canberra should buy players who are established.
They spend so much time trying to develop young players, only to see them get sick of living in Canberra, which is a hole, lets tell the truth, when they could be in the market for established superstars.

Another system is the player loan like Superleague do.

If Canberra is such a hole, why do you think local juniors would want to leave but established players would want to go there? Sounds back to front to me.

Chook.

 

[firechild]

Ridiculous point.

We develop juniors.
Other teams poach them.

Parra turn their juniors into park footy players that other clubs can buy cheap and turn into first graders.

Thanks Parra

 

[Pete Cash]

Off the top of my head we've lost two Queenslanders we've developed to homesickness milford and zillman. Maybe it's just fullbacks.

 

[skot]

Off the top of my head we've lost two Queenslanders we've developed to homesickness milford and zillman. Maybe it's just fullbacks.

It get's lonely back there by yourself...fullbacks need more company...

 

[kbw]

Junior development and funding are very very important and its getting lost in the name of $s and NRL marketing.

The notion of a local junior is def up for debate, do you count only kids that play with local clubs or do you count kids that are brought into the Harold Matts/Sg Ball system.

The other important thing to remember is an area like Penrith or Parra has 1000s of kids and others such as Roosters and Souths have 100s. But they are all channeled into process of 25 HM, then 25 SG Ball and so on as less and less get through. Obviously areas like Parra and Penrith have more quality kids that can't make the next level and they filter through to other clubs with smaller bases.

What is important is that kids get the best opportunities. The club that does this best is South Juniors. While they don't have the smallest base they don't have the 1000s that some do. They have a high percentage of true locals in their Ball and Matts and 20s. They encourage and develop their kids and give them opportunities.

The ones that have it hardest are the Roosters kids. They have a small base and while are very well funded the local clubs they find it hard to get their players opportunities

 

[MARSHALL ZHUKOV]

If your going to reward clubs for junior development by reducing junior players value under the cap and or bring in a transfer fee you need to re-draw the junior league boundries for starters.- These were last drawn up in the 1950's for the Sydney comp and lots has happened since then.

For instance Wests has moved out to Macarthur with their former junior area becoming part of the Bulldogs- St George merged with Illawarra taking on their juniors and of course the population has increased and expanded out further.Wests Tigers for instance junior area takes in Balmains and Wests Macarthur/Liverpool and even group 6. Norths and Newtown ommitted from the comp with Norths Juniors part of either Manly/Souths/Central coast and Newtowns parts of Canterbury's.

Unless you have an equal size junior area and numbers there is no way any club can be rewarded for junior development under the salary cap- You need to take into this equation the junior areas of other teams such as the Storm(small), New Zealand( a whole country), Canberra( smallish), Newcastle( large junior area). Brisbane/Cowboys/Titans (all of Queensland) plus throw into the mix the juniors from the various country league groups in NSW and Junior leagues in WA/SA.

I cannot the majority of sydney clubs agreeing to a re-drawing of the junior league boundaries.

 

[Rosetta]

I was sad to hear on the weekend when Don Furner come out and said that the raiders are thinking of cutting junior development and just buy players instead like most of the bigger clubs are these days.
Since the raiders have always had a good junior development program it would be sad to see this go out the window not just at the raiders but other good junior development clubs like Panthers as well, because the NRL is not rewarding the clubs that bring through their own juniors all the way to first grade.

Raiders are pretty upset that they are just developing players like Milford and co for years for only then for the big clubs coming down and taking them away,Milford is a prime example he was at the raiders since he was 16, raiders made him who he is and now he is just gone like that and raiders don't get a cent for it.


I think the main offenders in this buying instead of making your own players are clubs like the Roosters and Buldogs and recently Sharks and Eels.

I think junior development is very important for the future of the game, be a bit of a shame if all clubs started cutting funds on junior development because there is no reward.

It really depends on what exactly this means, if it means they are pulling out of Harold Matts and SG Ball then it's disgraceful. If he means junior development which isn't directly linked to the Raiders then I have no issue with it, the ARL and our taxes should be carrying the majority of that cost.

 

[kbw]

The other thing is that a lot of the country league does not fall under an NRL club, so here are a lot of kids that are no one's locals.

to add to that the NRL should always think about increasing funding for junior clubs in the country well before it thinks about increasing the salary cap

 

[Perth Red]

Does the NRL directly fund any jnr clubs!? Or indirectly for that matter? To my knowledge none of the warl jnr teams shs scholarship program's, u16 elite academy or our SG ball team get NRL funding.

 

[LESStar58]

Its a sad day but the simple fact is that we need it, junior development is only going to take you so far

Agreed.

As a Storm fan and as a fan of the game of rugby league in general I'd like to see the VRL pathway better developed. I'd like to see Melbourne get an exemption from the cap for players who come through VRL juniors who are good enough to make it to first grade. No for the entirety of their careers but for, say, the first 2 or 3 seasons of first grade. Gives the Storm AND THE NRL the incentive to develop the local comp and the local kids aspirations to play for a local team. Same would go for Perth if or when they get in.

 

[cooko]

While Coogee is in Souths junior territory the whole junior development issue will go on and on.

As a Roosters supporter we'd love to be able to head 400km west and 200km south to scout players in our catchment.

 

[BunniesMan]

Junior development is worth it if you're a competent club because if you pick the right kids and develop them properly it will be easier for you to sign them to long term deals than some club in another city, state or even country.

Competent clubs benefit from junior development, both their own and that of others. Stupid clubs do not.

Do the Raiders really think giving Ennis a big long term deal into his 30s is better than if they'd spent the last couple of years developing a gun hooker?

 

[kbw]

Does the NRL directly fund any jnr clubs!? Or indirectly for that matter? To my knowledge none of the warl jnr teams shs scholarship program's, u16 elite academy or our SG ball team get NRL funding.

I would say apart from yours, it would be a big no. Some NRL clubs fund junior clubs and competitions but many don't.


The problem also is that due to the $s controlling the game now, its immediate results that override everything

 

[Edwahu]

If your going to reward clubs for junior development by reducing junior players value under the cap and or bring in a transfer fee you need to re-draw the junior league boundries for starters.- These were last drawn up in the 1950's for the Sydney comp and lots has happened since then.

For instance Wests has moved out to Macarthur with their former junior area becoming part of the Bulldogs- St George merged with Illawarra taking on their juniors and of course the population has increased and expanded out further.Wests Tigers for instance junior area takes in Balmains and Wests Macarthur/Liverpool and even group 6. Norths and Newtown ommitted from the comp with Norths Juniors part of either Manly/Souths/Central coast and Newtowns parts of Canterbury's.

Unless you have an equal size junior area and numbers there is no way any club can be rewarded for junior development under the salary cap- You need to take into this equation the junior areas of other teams such as the Storm(small), New Zealand( a whole country), Canberra( smallish), Newcastle( large junior area). Brisbane/Cowboys/Titans (all of Queensland) plus throw into the mix the juniors from the various country league groups in NSW and Junior leagues in WA/SA.

I cannot the majority of sydney clubs agreeing to a re-drawing of the junior league boundaries.

Why?

The concession would be for Junior development, not local junior development. There are hundreds of unaffiliated clubs crying out for funding.

 

[seanoff]

NRL clubs should have nothing to do with junior RL apart from visiting the kids and running clinics and what not. They exist for the sole reason of winning the NRL, thats it. If they try and do anything else, and i mean anything else they will fail at both.

The ARL need to fund the state bodies to run and develop the junior comps. So junior clubs, school comps, etc etc all in an integrated development and competition strategy all the way up to just under the NRL level.

Do away with the 20s, have a full NRL 2nds comp as well.

 

[BunniesMan]

I do support the ARLC taking over junior development and setting up a draft system.