Justice for the Wests Tigers

[The Charlatan]

A Club threatening legal action is new ground.

I'd expect that could lead to a pretty strong rebuke from the NRL.

I mean, the NRL have admitted they got calls wrong before and no club has even hinted at taking them to court over it.

Yeah as much as I would like to see Wests be successful, it won't happen. It's just a bit of grandstanding to make Lee look good. I've said elsewhere, but I hope nothing happens and it repeats itself in a sudden death finals game. I want to see the NRL spin their way out of that one.

 

[Stinkfinger]

Can someone educate me please I thought you were given 10 seconds for a captain to challenge a refs decision, it took longer than that for Chad to to indicate he wanted the incident reviewed.

No it didn't. He was shouting challenge within one second, as any captain would.

 

[Iamback]

So after hearing the NRL explanation.

Why couldn't Canberra challenge Hunt being offside v Dragons?

 

[snickers007]

So after hearing the NRL explanation.

Why couldn't Canberra challenge Hunt being offside v Dragons?

That's a discretionary penalty - which can't be challenged.

Full-list:
10m offside
Ruck and marker infringements
Time-wasting
Dissent
Deliberate forward pass
Scrum penalties
Forward pass

 

[Iamback]

That's a discretionary penalty - which can't be challenged.

Full-list:
10m offside
Ruck and marker infringements
Time-wasting
Dissent
Deliberate forward pass
Scrum penalties
Forward pass

Which makes no sense. Either the marker is square or they aren't

RL makes it harder then things need to be

 

[snickers007]

Which makes no sense. Either the marker is square or they aren't

RL makes it harder then things need to be

Yes and no. Depends on the interpretation of when the ball has cleared the ruck in the play the ball. But I agree in spirit. Lot's of NRL fans would argue that obstruction penalties are discretionary too - yet they are considered matter of fact. Probably the most debated rule in the book - it's a complete lottery every time it's looked at.

It's also interesting that you cannot challenge on the above decisions, but they can be evaluated by the Bunker when reviewing potential tries (excluding forward passes). And I don't have time to look at all 360 Captains Challenges - but considering they review the entire play (not just the requested challenge aspect), I'd wager that a few challenges have been decided on the basis of a defender being offside or marker not square.

 

[Iamback]

Yes and no. Depends on the interpretation of when the ball has cleared the ruck in the play the ball. But I agree in spirit. Lot's of NRL fans would argue that obstruction penalties are discretionary too - yet they are considered matter of fact. Probably the most debated rule in the book - it's a complete lottery every time it's looked at.

It's also interesting that you cannot challenge on the above decisions, but they can be evaluated by the Bunker when reviewing potential tries (excluding forward passes). And I don't have time to look at all 360 Captains Challenges - but considering they review the entire play (not just the requested challenge aspect), I'd wager that a few challenges have been decided on the basis of a defender being offside or marker not square.

Take the play in question.

If Canberra throw a wild pass while trying to score. It is intercepted and Dragons score the Bunker would take it off them due to Hunt being offside...Yet you can't challenge the play directly. RL does itself no favours with stupid rulings like that

 

[ColdWetPanther]

I heard a grab on Fox Sports News from the Wests Tigers Chairman outlining the some of their thought process behind any potential legal challenge, namely that time had expired and the game was over, so any decisions after that were basically null and void.

Now I said way up thread I think the Tigers were dudded. However, fi what I have typed above is going to be their argument in a court case to overturn the result, I have doubts it will succeed. The relevant section of the rules -

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So the time keepers keep the time but it expiring doesb not automatically mean the game is over until the referee blows his/her whistle in accordance with the above laws.

I think this is the reason that the infamous Dragon/Storm game was different; you could argue that letting play continue in that instance was a referee interpretation.

The issue here, in my opinion, was that there no basis for a captains challlenge and with that there is no possible reason for the game to be prolonged.

 

[ColdWetPanther]

There's no logical reason as to why he didn't blow full-time, that's the thing most people can't come to terms with.

It's like he knew there was a big call to be made but didn't want to make that call himself, he wanted the bunker to have to make it and once that happened, there was no discretion, it was black and white.

What I don’t understand is why he didn’t just blow time off and ask the bunker to look at it. Wouldn’t be the first time a ref asks the bunker to do so.

 

[ColdWetPanther]

Can someone educate me please I thought you were given 10 seconds for a captain to challenge a refs decision, it took longer than that for Chad to to indicate he wanted the incident reviewed.

I think in this instance Chad was saying he wanted to challenge quite early, it just took the ref a while to be in a position to respond to it.

Of the whole fiasco, that seems like the most understandable element.

 

[beave]

Can someone educate me please I thought you were given 10 seconds for a captain to challenge a refs decision, it took longer than that for Chad to to indicate he wanted the incident reviewed.

This "point" keeps getting brought up and I feel like no one has actually gone back and watched what went down.

Townsend immediately goes up to the ref to challenge when Laurie gets tackled and he blows the short whistle, a heap of tigers and cowboys come running in as well. The ref is being communicated to by Klein in the bunker through his ear piece (Annerlsey says it's Klein telling him NQ still have a challenge up their sleeve) with all the commotion of the players in and around the ref, he tells them all to wait and walks away from the players and the noise to be able to hear what Klein is saying to him.

Yes Townsend has 10 seconds to submit his challenge, but he was told to wait by the ref and the ref walked away, WTF do you Townsend to do, keep following him and scream in his face?

 

[Generalzod]

This "point" keeps getting brought up and I feel like no one has actually gone back and watched what went down.

Townsend immediately goes up to the ref to challenge when Laurie gets tackled and he blows the short whistle, a heap of tigers and cowboys come running in as well. The ref is being communicated to by Klein in the bunker through his ear piece (Annerlsey says it's Klein telling him NQ still have a challenge up their sleeve) with all the commotion of the players in and around the ref, he tells them all to wait and walks away from the players and the noise to be able to hear what Klein is saying to him.

Yes Townsend has 10 seconds to submit his challenge, but he was told to wait by the ref and the ref walked away, WTF do you Townsend to do, keep following him and scream in his face?

Ok so why wait for a captains challenge doesn't the bunker interfere as to what happens on the field anyway...

 

[beave]

Ok so why wait for a captains challenge doesn't the bunker interfere as to what happens on the field anyway...

Annersley said yesterday that Klein is reminding him through the ear piece NQ still have their challenge from the earlier incident for the Gilbert strip where NQ retained the challenge.

Is Annersley lying? Who knows, it will probably come out in the wash when the transcripts/audio is released.

I still think the '10 secs to challenge' argument in this particular instance is null and void because of the referee basically telling them all to shut up and wait until he can hear what's being said to him through his ear piece. How was Towsend meant to pull the trigger when the ref walked away from him?

 

[The Rosco]

Yeah as much as I would like to see Wests be successful, it won't happen. It's just a bit of grandstanding to make Lee look good. I've said elsewhere, but I hope nothing happens and it repeats itself in a sudden death finals game. I want to see the NRL spin their way out of that one.

Yes, and ideally involving the Cows being on the rough end of the decision.
THAT would be nice karma. I'd look forward to reading the "get over it" posts from the cows fans.

 

[ColdWetPanther]

Yes, and ideally involving the Cows being on the rough end of the decision.
THAT would be nice karma. I'd look forward to reading the "get over it" posts from the cows fans.

I don’t think the Cows fans have acted inappropriately over the past few days. I think they have generally said the result was wrong but it is what it is (ie the don’t think points should be stripped and handed to the Tigers).

Every fan base would say the same.

 

[Canard]

Yes, and ideally involving the Cows being on the rough end of the decision.
THAT would be nice karma. I'd look forward to reading the "get over it" posts from the cows fans.

Where are the "get over it" posts?

Why would the referees making a decision bad or good, be the Cowboys fault? And they deserve retribution for it?

I don't understand the attitude of a referee's decision being the fault of the team that benefited from it.

 

[butchmcdick]

Yes, and ideally involving the Cows being on the rough end of the decision.
THAT would be nice karma. I'd look forward to reading the "get over it" posts from the cows fans.

Hey dickhead

It's already happened to us three f**king times already

Check out the video below

Have fun whacking off to it

Once again it's not our fault the refs are shit

Is it karma if the sharks, easts and manly get f**ked over in the finals too ?

 

[The Charlatan]

Yes, and ideally involving the Cows being on the rough end of the decision.
THAT would be nice karma. I'd look forward to reading the "get over it" posts from the cows fans.

If it's a finals game, we won't have to worry about it happening to the Tigers again

 

[Pink Panther]

Lucky Cameron Smith wasn't refereeing

 

[beave]

Yes, and ideally involving the Cows being on the rough end of the decision.
THAT would be nice karma. I'd look forward to reading the "get over it" posts from the cows fans.

I've never said 'get over it', it's shit for tigers fans what happened sunday, it shouldnt have been a penalty

99.9% of NQ fans i've seen post on LU say the same thing.