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Kasiano nears QLD switch

roughyedspud

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steve has it 1000% right in that article.........

origin is'nt a kangaroo trial anymore....
 
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ShadesOfTheSun

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Why shouldn't someone who's spent a few years in Queensland or New South Wales, who's integrated with the community, befriended the people, and made a life there, feel just as passionate about those states as someone who was born there?

By the same token, why assume everyone feels passion for the country of their birth? Some of the most patriotic people you'll meet are immigrants who moved to Australia in their adolescence or adulthood. Many of them don't have much of a connection to, or a passion for, their country of origin. They left for a reason, and they're grateful for what they have now they're gone. Why should their patriotism be considered less than someone who was born in Australia, just because the latter person has been in Australia for longer?

The international game is built on efforts to quantify patriotism and passion, and while that's a necessary evil, it's idiotic to judge individuals who you have no personal knowledge of based on their imperatives. And to equate patriotism and passion with 'morality' is laughable.
 

clarency

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Why shouldn't someone who's spent a few years in Queensland or New South Wales, who's integrated with the community, befriended the people, and made a life there, feel just as passionate about those states as someone who was born there?

By the same token, why assume everyone feels passion for the country of their birth? Some of the most patriotic people you'll meet are immigrants who moved to Australia in their adolescence or adulthood. Many of them don't have much of a connection to, or a passion for, their country of origin. They left for a reason, and they're grateful for what they have now they're gone. Why should their patriotism be considered less than someone who was born in Australia, just because the latter person has been in Australia for longer?

The international game is built on efforts to quantify patriotism and passion, and while that's a necessary evil, it's idiotic to judge individuals who you have no personal knowledge of based on their imperatives. And to equate patriotism and passion with 'morality' is laughable.

You seem to be struggling to understand the concept of money.
 

Usain Bolt

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They should make every player sign a piece of paper stating which country/state he is eligible before he plays his 1st game of first grade and that's that. No chopping and changing ever
 

aarondoyle

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I'm always surprised clubs don't encourage these kids to stick with the Kiwis. Less players to lose around Origin time then.
 

roughyedspud

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They should make every player sign a piece of paper stating which country/state he is eligible before he plays his 1st game of first grade and that's that. No chopping and changing ever


you can be eligible for more than one though......feleti mateo is ebilible for bloody 3 countries.....tonga,australia & england
 

Knownothing

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I'm always surprised clubs don't encourage these kids to stick with the Kiwis. Less players to lose around Origin time then.


If they play Origin, the players know that their value goes up on the open market, plus they earn money for each Origin appearance.


What sort of "encouragement" can compete with more money?
 

hutch

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while i agree we should be playing test footy while origin is on,or at the very least when the anzac test is on,....players are still going to gravitate to NSW or QLD for the money hutch...get ya head out the sand mate

http://i.stuff.co.nz/sport/league/7073957/I-m-no-mercenary-says-NSWs-James-Tamou


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I know what I based mine on and it wasn't money. Those match payments, I couldn't care less. The excitement of playing Origin is enough for me. The passion and intensity is something else.

"Coming off game one, I knew I had to take it to a new level and, now I've been there, I know what it takes. [Playing for another country] is always a tough [decision], but I always knew what I wanted to do.

"It's purely based on Origin, but to play that test match [against the Kiwis] was a bonus. I didn't expect that, I don't think anyone expected that."

50k per game might well be a different story if it comes in, but players aren't switching purely for cash, and the majority of players knock origin back if they have dual nationality.
 

Springs

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Passionate kiwis hey?


This still hasn't happened, the "kiwis" that have played origin and for Australia moved here as kids, not for nrl teams. If kasiano switches, we open a whole new can of worms. It must not be allowed to happen!

Being born and raised in New Zealand, ancestors from New Zealand, all customs, accents, language from New Zealand, but living in Australia for 5 years now makes them "kiwis" does it? They are New Zealanders, not Australians.
 

ozenzud

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I am so sick of these qualifications arguments that I am boycotting SOO. Mal and Ricky are showing such appalling vision it stuns me. The leaders of our game, need to step in and show leadership. Tell Ricky and Mal to pull their heads in. Somebody in charge, PLEASE show some common sense and leadership. It really is not hard to see what is in the best interests of the game. An individual's right to flip flop between country and state because of a pulled hamstring, or the credibility of the SOO concept and international game? Not a hard one is it?
 

hutch

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Being born and raised in New Zealand, ancestors from New Zealand, all customs, accents, language from New Zealand, but living in Australia for 5 years now makes them "kiwis" does it? They are New Zealanders, not Australians.

Who are you to decide? And who fits that description anyway?
 
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deluded pom?

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SoO not only affects international RL it also impacts on RL in Australia as alluded to by Steve Mascord. Why should born and bred NSWelshmen and QLanders lose out to not only Kiwis but players from other states of Australia too? What chances are there of us ever seing another Australian state capable of playing at that level if all of their players are siphoned off for NSW or QL? Mascord is right. The whole ethos of SoO has been turned on it's head.
 

franklin2323

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Grant is looking at changing the rules. so anyone can play SOO and play for a different country. I have no problem if it they went to school here or played junior reps here. Someone like Burgess shouldn't get to play SOO
 

hutch

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Grant is looking at changing the rules. so anyone can play SOO and play for a different country. I have no problem if it they went to school here or played junior reps here. Someone like Burgess shouldn't get to play SOO

Probably a better system than we have now, but not the best result for our sport.

Why would any young kiwi stay with the warriors when moving to aus makes you eligible for origin?
 

roughyedspud

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Grant is looking at changing the rules. so anyone can play SOO and play for a different country. I have no problem if it they went to school here or played junior reps here. Someone like Burgess shouldn't get to play SOO

sam burgess should'nt as he is'nt a product of the NSWRL system.......but a argument could be made for george burgess to be selected



if it true what you say about grant looking at changing the rules as you say...the get ready for a boom in development......
 

roughyedspud

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grant speak.....
http://news.brisbanetimes.com.au/br...igin-eligibility-an-issue-20120619-20m49.html
ARLC chairman John Grant says if the Rugby League International Federation clarifies the ambiguity regarding Test match eligibility then State of Origin of selection will largely take care of itself.

With speculation mounting that Canterbury's Auckland-raised prop Sam Kasiano will be picked for Queensland in next month's State of Origin decider, Grant admits there are issues regarding the entire make-up of representative selection.

"There's Origin eligibility ... and there's international eligibility which is defined by the international federation," Grant said at the NRL's Women in League lunch in Sydney on Thursday.

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"We have a strong say, but it (RLIF) does not review the rules according to what we want.

"We've got to work through that process and merge those two.

"It is an issue, and we have to be more clear about who can play for who and whether it be Origin or their country."

While there's the ongoing debate about which specific state players are available for, Grant believes that if the RLIF at least makes it clear whether a player is eligible for Australia then there's no question about whether a footballer is actually entitled to be selected for Origin.

Ball-playing forward Kasiano is the most recent case in point.

New Zealand-raised, he moved to Brisbane after finishing high school where he played for Queensland Cup side Aspley Devils.

Although he has not represented the Kiwis, he signed a letter in March pledging his allegiance to the land of his birth.

However, this agreement is not legally binding and the 21-year-old can opt to play for Queensland if he informs the RLIF that he wants to declare his allegiance to Australia.

This was a path taken by Feleti Mateo, who captained Tonga last year, as he bid to play for NSW.

The selection of Kiwi-born James Tamou for Australia in April's Test match against New Zealand made him available for the Blues and he has gone on to be a huge success in this year's opening two matches.

Palmerston-North native Tamou moved to Sydney as a 13-year-old and played his junior football with Paddington Tigers in Sydney before joining North Queensland from Sydney Roosters.

However, he was included in New Zealand's train-on squad for the Four Nations campaign last year, only to be overlooked by coach Stephen Kearney.

This allowed Australia selectors to move in and persuade him to play for the Kangaroos in April's Anzac Test against the Kiwis, with Blues coach Ricky Stuart then naming him in his team in May.

Grant conceded the decision of the likes of Tamou will have been influenced by the financial rewards available to Origin players, who can earn in excess of $20,000 a game. There is talk that figure could soon move to $50,000 a game.

The current situation which allows players to swap allegiances was designed to help smaller rugby league nations to be competitive in the international game.

But Grant said this may also need addressing by the RLIF.

"International rules define who can play for who and you have to be respectful of the rules that are in place and also the players personal desires," he said.

"If the rules are wrong then change the rules."
 

roughyedspud

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he's firing the issue back at the RLIF.......i can tell you now under RLIF laws your can play for NSW/QLD and for another nation providing you don't actually get capped by australia.......
 

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