Kearney

[Poupou Escobar]

Cognitive dissonance - hardly unique. Poopoo is not the only one that displays this on this forum.

I'm pretty sure cognitive dissonance is experienced by everyone - it's the mechanism by which we change our opinions.

It's no more a diagnosis than confirmation bias, which is another common trait around here.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

2012 is a massive FAIL FAIL FAIL.

If 2012 was already over I would agree with you.

But it's not.

You're the one that introduced the logic about a coach's first year not counting, so chalk up the fail to yourself.

No, the failure's definitely all yours.

If what I said is true - that you can't judge a coach in his first year - then you can't judge him on wins or losses in his first year.

I could be wrong about being unable to judge a coach in his first year (even though there are plenty of examples of poor coaches starring in their first year, and good coaches doing poorly), but your logic is wrong regardless.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Way ahead of you.

http://www.psychologytoday.com/conditions/narcissistic-personality-disorder

f**k yeah! Who needs a degree and years of experience when you've got the internet!

 

[pk76]

I'm pretty sure cognitive dissonance is experienced by everyone - it's the mechanism by which we change our opinions.

It's no more a diagnosis than confirmation bias, which is another common trait around here.

Agreed.

Hence why an individual will bag a past coach for a reason, would defend a current coach despite that same reason.

 

[bartman]

No, the failure's definitely all yours.

If what I said is true - that you can't judge a coach in his first year - then you can't judge him on wins or losses in his first year.

Which, if anything, goes a long way toward proving what you said about not judging coaches in their first year is not true or at best a useless statement.

I could be wrong about being unable to judge a coach in his first year (even though there are plenty of examples of poor coaches starring in their first year, and good coaches doing poorly), but your logic is wrong regardless.

Thanks professor, but if the premise is nonsense then it doesn't matter what you think of the logic - anything that follows will be nonsense (which is the point of my post - highlighting the nonsense of your original statement).

#Ivedonephilosphy101too

 

[bartman]

f**k yeah! Who needs a degree and years of experience when you've got the internet!

If our club applied that same logic to their coaching appointments, we probably would have employee some nuffie rookie coach who just came to the interviews with a fantastic powerpoint presentation... oh, wait :crazy:

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Agreed.

Hence why an individual will bag a past coach for a reason, would defend a current coach despite that same reason.

To be honest, I still rate Brian Smith in spite of myself. But Taylor, Hagan and Anderson? All bums.

While not a fan of the free market, I admit it's pretty good in working out if a bloke is any good at his job.

So maybe you just don't understand my reason for supporting them in the first place. Something to think about.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Which, if anything, goes a long way toward proving what you said about not judging coaches in their first year is not true or at best a useless statement.

How does that disprove anything?

Thanks professor, but if the premise is nonsense then it doesn't matter what you think of the logic - anything that follows will be nonsense (which is the point of my post - highlighting the nonsense of your original statement).

How is it nonsense? I've given you Hagan and Stuart winning premierships in their first year, and Hasler coming third last in his rookie season.

You provided absolutely nothing to refute that, so why even pretend you have a leg to stand on here?

#Ivedonephilosphy101too

This was a lesson in logic, not philosophy. Logic is the algebra of ideas, if you will. Philosophy is about the whys, which I don't pretend to know.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

If our club applied that same logic to their coaching appointments, we probably would have employee some nuffie rookie coach who just came to the interviews with a fantastic powerpoint presentation... oh, wait :crazy:

Don't forget experience coaching at international level and as an assistant at NRL level.

He also brought plenty of help with him, which I'm sure you'll agree is a good sign.

 

[IFR33K]

As he should be.

There's no way any of us deadshits could know whether Kearney is the problem just from watching games and media interviews. You whingers just pretend you do because you're desperate for a scapegoat.

You're right, us fans don't know shit, but other people know and get a feel for what's going on at our club.

Isaac Moses doesn't want tony Williams to come to the eels.

Do you think he doesn't want his client playing with hayne, sandow and tonga, or that he doesn't want him playing under kearney????

 

[bartman]

Don't forget experience coaching at international level and as an assistant at NRL level.

International level - counts for nothing, especially when your hand is being held.

Assistant NRL level - counts for nothing by the looks of his performance anyway.

He also brought plenty of help with him, which I'm sure you'll agree is a good sign.

He obviously didn't bring enough help! Or not the right type of help! It'll be a good sign when he finally swallows his pride, puts his hand up and says the job is too much for him, and allows the club to install someone like JT alongside him for "help".

 

[DeanPay98]

f**k yeah! Who needs a degree and years of experience when you've got the internet!

Who needs experience coaching an NRL team?

 

[bartman]

How does that disprove anything?

Because it's nonsense that in a performance industry that performance should not be judged by an employer in the first year.

How is it nonsense? I've given you Hagan and Stuart winning premierships in their first year, and Hasler coming third last in his rookie season.

You provided absolutely nothing to refute that, so why even pretend you have a leg to stand on here?

Refute what? That you think Kearney should get the benefit of the first season's doubt? That's your opinion only, and doesn't need "refuting". Your statement contains nothing factual, and is not related to how a professional club needs to be mindful of performance every year.

This was a lesson in logic, not philosophy. Logic is the algebra of ideas, if you will. Philosophy is about the whys, which I don't pretend to know.

Ah, so you haven't done Philosophy 101 to learn about the nature of logic then.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

You're right, us fans don't know shit, but other people know and get a feel for what's going on at our club.

Isaac Moses doesn't want tony Williams to come to the eels.

Do you think he doesn't want his client playing with hayne, sandow and tonga, or that he doesn't want him playing under kearney????

I reckon Isaac Moses wants his players earning as much as they can.

 

[pk76]

To be honest, I still rate Brian Smith in spite of myself. But Taylor, Hagan and Anderson? All bums.

While not a fan of the free market, I admit it's pretty good in working out if a bloke is any good at his job.

So maybe you just don't understand my reason for supporting them in the first place. Something to think about.

My posts were not having a go at you, although I understand that you may feel it that way, with the amount of arguments you are having with others... but you have your own reasons.

I used to think that Brian Smith copped unfairly from this forum but that pales in comparison to what SK is copping. If it hails tomorrow, we can blame SK! Some posts are beyond critism but downright attack on SK.

Having said that, I'm not a SK defender. I don't agree with Anderson sacking and I'm not sure whether SK's structured game plan has evolved over the last 1.5 years.

But in spite of this, I can't see benefit of sacking SK now. Therefore, I support the coach, not because I think he is special, but for the lack of benefit in criticising/attacking him.

Now, others would disagree. And that's fine by me. If you can just accept that your perspective is fallible, just like everyone else, people would understand your views better.

 

[IFR33K]

I reckon Isaac Moses wants his players earning as much as they can.

Funny thing is, the eels offer is the most by the three clubs chasing him.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

International level - counts for nothing, especially when your hand is being held.

Assistant NRL level - counts for nothing by the looks of his performance anyway.

Any coaching experience is irrelevant if your team doesn't perform at club level. But you don't that until after the guy is signed.

Geoff Toovey had plenty of experience as an assistant and lower grade coach but his team of premiership winners are playing like busteds at the moment.

Wayne Bennett has achieved everything in the game but his team suck at the moment too. Yet the Dragons had instant success when he took over.

It's not all down to the coach. Sometimes there are deep structural issues that need changing and sometimes coaches are just unlucky with injuries and poor form to key players.

He obviously didn't bring enough help! Or not the right type of help! It'll be a good sign when he finally swallows his pride, puts his hand up and says the job is too much for him, and allows the club to install someone like JT alongside him for "help".

You know that's never going to happen - Kearney will quit before being marginalised in his own club, unlike Anderson who threw his own plans out the window in a desperate bid to save his job. However your weird homoerotic dominance/submission fantasy is something else.

You've got quite the obsession with forcing other men to 'swallow their pride' and so on, haven't you? Be careful posting that shit around DeanPay98. He works with psychiatrists, don't you know?

I think one of them gives him his meds every night before lights out.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Funny thing is, the eels offer is the most by the three clubs chasing him.

You've already proved you're full of shit.

This is a professional game and it's all about money. Small minded people like yourself think it's about personal vendettas and the media love to feed that but the fact is the bottom line is the bottom line.

I agree some clubs offer better opportunities for earning outside their contracts, but Parramatta players get f**king heaps of exposure, win, lose or draw.

 

[El Diablo]

maybe they can't turf Kearney because no bastard is stupid enough to want to coach for this 3P mob

bring back Fitzy

 

[IFR33K]

You've already proved you're full of shit.

This is a professional game and it's all about money. Small minded people like yourself think it's about personal vendettas and the media love to feed that but the fact is the bottom line is the bottom line.

I agree some clubs offer better opportunities for earning outside their contracts, but Parramatta players get f**king heaps of exposure, win, lose or draw.

This coming from the king of shit. :lol::lol: