Kearney

[Eelementary]

I am not sure "knifing" is the correct term in his case. Kearney actually deserves to go (on performances so far).

WOE

If Steve is sacked before the end of next season, that's a knifing, pure and simple. He has a three-year contract, and if the board doesn't honour that, then it's no different to how they treated Anderson.

Just on Anderson - I can't see why he's treated like the messiah. In the age when every punter judges a "successful" coach by the amount of Premierships they have won, why is he held in such high esteem? He made two Grand Finals and lost both. He has done little in the NRL to warrant his status. ESL is a different beast altogether. Brian Noble has won ESL titles FFS.

 

[Maroubra Eel]

Yeah you're right. If number of premierships won is your only measurement Ando isn't very good.

 

[Kornstar]

Just on Anderson - I can't see why he's treated like the messiah. In the age when every punter judges a "successful" coach by the amount of Premierships they have won, why is he held in such high esteem? He made two Grand Finals and lost both. He has done little in the NRL to warrant his status. ESL is a different beast altogether. Brian Noble has won ESL titles FFS.

:lol:

I do enjoy the level of authority and self importance you often speak with.......

 

[Eels Dude]

Just on Anderson - I can't see why he's treated like the messiah. In the age when every punter judges a "successful" coach by the amount of Premierships they have won, why is he held in such high esteem? He made two Grand Finals and lost both. He has done little in the NRL to warrant his status. ESL is a different beast altogether. Brian Noble has won ESL titles FFS.

Is anyone treating him like a "messiah"? You can't judge a coach solely on how many premierships they've won. Anderson got 2 sides to Grand Finals, and overall has a very healthy record in making the semis. 4/5 seasons in fact which includes a minor premiership, 2 Grand Finals as well as a further preliminary final. So 5 seasons 3 of which he's got his side to the prelims or better. A lot better record than most current NRL coaches. Yet we replace him with someone who for all we know was responsible for placing witches hats down at Storm training sessions (and if his current results are anything to go by that's probably what his job was). That's what everyone is up in arms about.

 

[Tony Bongo]

If they be pro-active get rid of him and replace with someone that actually gets us winning that will save their skins too.

No that would mean they were wrong to get rid of Ando and just wasted two years as well as hundreds of thousands of dollars. They have no choice now but to show some integrity and stand by their decisions. They can't put us through all the labour pains then panic and abort everything now to save their political hides. They promised stability and sacking 2 coaches in 2 years would create the exact opposite.

 

[Eels Dude]

No that would mean they were wrong to get rid of Ando and just wasted two years as well as hundreds of thousands of dollars. They have no choice now but to show some integrity and stand by their decisions. They can't put us through all the labour pains then panic and abort everything now to save their political hides. They promised stability and sacking 2 coaches in 2 years would create the exact opposite.

That won't necessarily save them though Tony. If we keep our current losing record up then disgruntled fans may vote them out. You can speak for yourself as a voting member, not not all voting members think along the same lines of you, the board members would be aware of that and may be forced to adjust their 'plan' accordingly if they want to stay in their positions. What decreases stability more, changing your coach who isn't performing, or having an entire change in board level for the second time in 4 years?

 

[strider]

If Steve is sacked before the end of next season, that's a knifing, pure and simple. He has a three-year contract, and if the board doesn't honour that, then it's no different to how they treated Anderson.

Just on Anderson - I can't see why he's treated like the messiah. In the age when every punter judges a "successful" coach by the amount of Premierships they have won, why is he held in such high esteem? He made two Grand Finals and lost both. He has done little in the NRL to warrant his status. ESL is a different beast altogether. Brian Noble has won ESL titles FFS.

I'll borrow PouPou's theory here .... Nathan Hindmarsh, 2 grand finals, 0 wins - so he mustn't be very good either

 

[cgee221]

These guys (players and coaches) get paid a fortune to work in a dream job. None of them deserve sympathy.

They get paid a "fortune" because they put in the hard work to get to their dream job in the first place. That's the value of the hard work they put in and for that reason alone they deserve support & encouragement.

 

[Parra]

If Steve is sacked before the end of next season, that's a knifing, pure and simple. He has a three-year contract, and if the board doesn't honour that, then it's no different to how they treated Anderson.

Bullshit. A contract is not a guarantee of tenure. It is a legal agreement that typically would include clauses around how it can be terminated, including a timeframe.

To allow Kearney's contact to expire over time would be a travesty. His tenure already is. Every day longer indicates one of two things - either (a) the board is incompetent or (b) they simply cannot recruit a replacement. If (b) is true then goto (a).

 

[Eels Dude]

They get paid a "fortune" because they put in the hard work to get to their dream job in the first place. That's the value of the hard work they put in and for that reason alone they deserve support & encouragement.

Does it work that way though? And should it? If you get that highly paid dream job and don't perform then you'll get the arse pretty quickly in most professions because you're expected to perform to a very high level. That's why you're highly paid in the first place.

 

[Wise Old Eel]

If Steve is sacked before the end of next season, that's a knifing, pure and simple. He has a three-year contract, and if the board doesn't honour that, then it's no different to how they treated Anderson.

Just on Anderson - I can't see why he's treated like the messiah. In the age when every punter judges a "successful" coach by the amount of Premierships they have won, why is he held in such high esteem? He made two Grand Finals and lost both. He has done little in the NRL to warrant his status. ESL is a different beast altogether. Brian Noble has won ESL titles FFS.

Mate, nobody is making out Ando is the messiah (certainly not me). I am just of the opinion that he is a good coach (see his overall record) who got unfairly treated while he was here. He was then knifed in the back to be replaced by Kearney who is, IMO, a sorry excuse for a coach - and one who is being given far more time, respect & resources than he deserves (see his record).

Meanwhile, the people forgotten in all this - the fans - have to endure what is turning out to be another late 80's-early 90's era. It's hard to understand and even harder to take.

WOE

 

[IFR33K]

I'll borrow PouPou's theory here .... Nathan Hindmarsh, 2 grand finals, 0 wins - so he mustn't be very good either

Don't you feel dirty????

 

[Tony Bongo]

That won't necessarily save them though Tony. If we keep our current losing record up then disgruntled fans may vote them out. You can speak for yourself as a voting member, not not all voting members think along the same lines of you, the board members would be aware of that and may be forced to adjust their 'plan' accordingly if they want to stay in their positions. What decreases stability more, changing your coach who isn't performing, or having an entire change in board level for the second time in 4 years?

I didn't say that just standing by Kearney would save them. They need to stand by him and he needs to get acceptable results. Of course I am speaking only for myself and in my opinion sacking Kearney would be admitting that they were incompetent in sacking a perfectly good coach who got us to a grand final only to replace him with a dud. I hope it's not the case and I believe the last couple of weeks are indicators that we are on the right track.

 

[Tony Bongo]

Bullshit. A contract is not a guarantee of tenure. It is a legal agreement that typically would include clauses around how it can be terminated, including a timeframe.

To allow Kearney's contact to expire over time would be a travesty. His tenure already is. Every day longer indicates one of two things - either (a) the board is incompetent or (b) they simply cannot recruit a replacement. If (b) is true then goto (a).

In my world a contract is a guarantee and you don't even need to sign a piece of paper for me to honour it. I would have honoured Ando's and I would honour Kearney's because I take responsibility for my own actions. Is it Kearney's fault for being offered the contract in the first place or the boards?
If they failed to set appropriate KPI's or discuss contingency plans should he fail then once again that is the board's responsibility.
The flaw in your argument in my view is that every day longer does not indicate what you claim. We played well against Newcastle and won our last game and as they say you are only as good as your last game.

 

[spartan2153]

I didn't say that just standing by Kearney would save them. They need to stand by him and he needs to get acceptable results. Of course I am speaking only for myself and in my opinion sacking Kearney would be admitting that they were incompetent in sacking a perfectly good coach who got us to a grand final only to replace him with a dud. I hope it's not the case and I believe the last couple of weeks are indicators that we are on the right track.

The biggest problem with alot of the sentiment against kearney is the way the club has openly wanted to extend his contract at the start of the year with him yet to prove he can coach.

This is a big big sore point with allot of fans the favouritism being shown & the lack of for the previous coach

 

[whall15]

If Steve is sacked before the end of next season, that's a knifing, pure and simple. He has a three-year contract, and if the board doesn't honour that, then it's no different to how they treated Anderson.

Just on Anderson - I can't see why he's treated like the messiah. In the age when every punter judges a "successful" coach by the amount of Premierships they have won, why is he held in such high esteem? He made two Grand Finals and lost both. He has done little in the NRL to warrant his status. ESL is a different beast altogether. Brian Noble has won ESL titles FFS.

Aha, the Djimi Traore theory.

 

[Tony Bongo]

The biggest problem with alot of the sentiment against kearney is the way the club has openly wanted to extend his contract at the start of the year with him yet to prove he can coach.

This is a big big sore point with allot of fans the favouritism being shown & the lack of for the previous coach

I understand that Spartan and I agree. The talk of extending Kearney's contract was premature and has proven to be ludicrous. You won't get any arguments from me that he needs to prove himself before being granted an extension.

 

[Parra]

In my world a contract is a guarantee and you don't even need to sign a piece of paper for me to honour it. I would have honoured Ando's and I would honour Kearney's because I take responsibility for my own actions. Is it Kearney's fault for being offered the contract in the first place or the boards?
If they failed to set appropriate KPI's or discuss contingency plans should he fail then once again that is the board's responsibility.
The flaw in your argument in my view is that every day longer does not indicate what you claim. We played well against Newcastle and won our last game and as they say you are only as good as your last game.

Welcome to the real world. There are very good reasons why real contracts have all those words in them.

And no, in a season a team is not as good as it's last game. It is as good as it is. And our record is shite, regardless of the last game. That is about as short-term as thinking gets, for example, the Storm lost yesterday. Has your assessment of the team changed based on their last game?

 

[Maroubra Eel]

Were they really talking about extending Kearneys contract or was it just newspaper talk? I can't remember.

 

[Tony Bongo]

Welcome to the real world. There are very good reasons why real contracts have all those words in them.

And no, in a season a team is not as good as it's last game. It is as good as it is. And our record is shite, regardless of the last game. That is about as short-term as thinking gets, for example, the Storm lost yesterday. Has your assessment of the team changed based on their last game?

I'm in the real world mate - I am a man of my word. I don't need fine print to get me off the hook when I stuff up.
You're the one who said : " Every day longer indicates one of two things - either (a) the board is incompetent or (b) they simply cannot recruit a replacement. If (b) is true then goto (a)."
I just pointed out that over the last 16 days we competed well and won a game.