Kemble confirmed

[Iafeta]

the thing is you bag kemble...but hes been appointed the coach...its been done, not going to change. yeah i dont agree with him being appointed, but what can you do, but take it for what it is...

lol gee I am glad generations of people across the world didn't follow your let it be theory. I'm glad the likes of Nelson Mandela and Martin Luther King didn't look at crises of equity and say, that's the way it is, cop it on the chin. Rational thought and free speech in opposition of what is supposedly done deals has changed (for the better) many events throughout the world.

On the issue of Kemble, on one hand you have Graeme Lowe, Roy Asotasi not in support of him, and then you have Lowe and co reappointing him? No, that's a sell out. We are accepting mediocrity from an organisation, top to bottom, that failed to build on the success of the Tri Nations victory. How we could possibly fall so far behind in such a short space of time is bewildering, and one would suggest it's got a lot to do with poor structures, indecisive decision making and appointments, and a lack of a clear vision which is consistently followed and adhered to. One second Kemble is told he has a 75% win mandate, the man wins 20% and is welcomed back with open arms? Someone here has failed, either the board has put together a totally inappropriate, unacceptable and unachieveable goal for the coach to accomplish, or the coach has failed miserably. Even if the board were over zealous, there's no way we can accept what was dished out on that tour.

Sadly, since the Tri Nations success, McClennan's record was not mind blowing either, which suggests the problems were largely glazed over at board room level by the one trophy we did manage to win. If anything, perhaps that victory has stood as a road block to a very thorough investigation into New Zealand league and finding achievable long term successful pathways.

 

[Iafeta]

i read it...its basically a long winded version of what i wrote before him...whats your point? why draw my attention too it?

lol, what I wrote was a long winded version of "support him or f**k off"? You're kidding yourself, I'm not supporting him, I support the countries aspirations which I feel have been undermined by a poor performance and acceptance of a poor performance.

 

[Dirty Hoe]

laugh all you want, but im trying to be real here...what can the average man do? jacksh*t, the average joe has no say in anything, unless those above allow us too. life is too short to always have a bitch about every little thing, you take what you are given and make the most of it, from there good things will come
so carry on bitching and moaning and trying to climb that barbed wire fence bro...

 

[Dirty Hoe]

i wasnt referring to that post...and neither was the other fella

but anyway...you have a nice day

 

[ozbash]

which suggests the problems were largely glazed over at board room level by the one trophy we did manage to win.

against the enemy and it gained us a sh*tload of credibility. even last years Tri's were bloody great to watch and we certainly wer'nt disgraced.

unfortunately Kemble had a very hard act to follow.

 

[Dirty Hoe]

abit harsh to compare last season to this season...take into account the players that were unavailable

 

[Iafeta]

laugh all you want, but im trying to be real here...what can the average man do? jacksh*t, the average joe has no say in anything, unless those above allow us too. life is too short to always have a bitch about every little thing, you take what you are given and make the most of it, from there good things will come
so carry on bitching and moaning and trying to climb that barbed wire fence bro...

So your message is by accepting and supporting mediocrity we will move forward? :?

 

[Dirty Hoe]

we have no choice...the decisions are not made by fans. im sure if kemble doesnt get the results, he will be on the ever growing merry go-round of kiwi coaches over the last decade.
do you as an employee have a say in who your new boss should be?

 

[ozbash]

Kiwis coach Gary Kemble has survived the axe but the rest of the coaching staff involved in the national side's disastrous European tour may not be so fortunate.


Even though Kemble has been reappointed, NZRL officials have remained in regular contact with Australian coaching guru Wayne Bennett since the tour ended.

But, while Kemble said he would be "foolish" not to take up an invitation to visit Bennett next year, he wouldn't be drawn on the likelihood of the Brisbane coach becoming his formal technical advisor.

He was more forthcoming in a lightly disguised attack on the legion of officials led by former chairman Andrew Chalmers and directors Phil Campbell and Neville Kesha that accompanied the Kiwis tour, saying his report to the board had mentioned "outside influences from people who shouldn't be around the team".

Kemble said he was referring to "people outside the team: it is very important that the core group can work on a match day without distraction". A total of 13 off-field staff were with the Kiwis this year.

The figure could be less at the world cup, Kemble admitting his coaching staff could be "streamlined" with the board notably delaying making a decision on appointing his support staff.

Sources said Kemble's team of two assistant coaches James Leuluai and Phil Prescott and a team co-ordinator Sam Panapa had not worked. And support has built behind the idea of returning to the formula that won the Tri Nations in 2005, with an experienced "technical advisor" guiding the coach (in that instance, Graeme Norton filled the role for Brian McClennan).

That would be particularly applicable in Kemble's case and Bennett would be an ideal fit, but it is thought his interest in the role may have waned in recent weeks.

"Wayne told me I could call him any time I wanted and I will take him up on that and visit him in the New Year. I would be foolish not to," Kemble said.

Kemble's reappointment was backed by the football department, led by Graham Lowe, and an internal review process. The Sunday Star-Times understands director Vinnie Weir also phoned around several Kiwis players to get their views.

NZRL chairman Ray Haffenden said the decision to retain Kemble was "about stability and credibility and supporting the coach after quite exhaustively working through the [report] given to us by the coaching department".

Haffenden said a decision would be made in January on Kemble's staff but refused to talk about Bennett.

He was also non-committal on several other issues.

It is thought a board meeting on January 18 will be faced with some tough decisions around the game's expenditure.

With income declining and a huge loss on the cards the NZRL could well pare back heavily on their outgoings. They are likely to consider dumping the provincial programme, their support for the regional Alliance competitions, which keep the game alive in outlying provinces, and even the National Junior Competition.

Between them, those competitions represent roughly a $1.5m deficit every year but, without them, the league has no domestic football under its control.

Asked about those prospects, Haffenden said: "We have not finished that exercise, and before we do we have nothing to say."

The other area where the league could slash costs is in dumping the Kiwi Roots World Cup selection trial series devised by Chalmers and by laying off senior staff at headquarters in Penrose, such as Lowe.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/4335361a1823.html

 

[ozbash]

Kiwis stars were forced to contact rugby league's Players Association over thousands of dollars in outstanding payments from the ill-fated tour to England and France.


Sunday News has been told a number of players contacted PA boss Matt Rodwell to express their concern at not being paid for playing in the four tests.

And at least another two players sent emails to NZRL general manager Peter Cordtz demanding payment.

Sunday New understands the belated payments were only made on Friday.

Cordtz defended the timing of the payments from the tour which finished 35 days ago and said they were not late at all.

"It is stock-standard practice to not complete player payments until the tour is fully reconciled,'' he said.

"The players that spoke to us were assured they would be paid before the year is out and that has happened.

"It could very well have spilled over into next year and because of everything else that was going on, one of the things we did push for was that we dragged any funds in from the tour we were due so we could square away that stuff.''

http://www.stuff.co.nz/4335400a1823.html

 

[Rich102]

Bennett is the man for the job - but he must be appointed as coach. If Kemble is to remain then it should be as assistant coach, with the option to apply for the coach position when Bennett retires.
That is the only way I can see for this sorry saga to be brought to a conclusion.
Bennett won't accept an "assistant" position to Kemble - nor should he.
Wake up NZRL! If Bennett is interested welcome him with open arms.
If Bennett is appointed all the ellegible players will be clamouring for a place in the team.
(Let's face it, it is not too dissimilar from Deans being appointed Australia's rugby coach - a real smart move that will probably bite the NZRU on the bum!)

 

[Dr Crane]

I'm going to go and throw up

 

[playdaball]

we have no choice...the decisions are not made by fans. im sure if kemble doesnt get the results, he will be on the ever growing merry go-round of kiwi coaches over the last decade.
do you as an employee have a say in who your new boss should be?

We have no choice ... the decisions are not made by fans

Not neccesarily so. The District Boards (all of whom are RL fans) were responsible for Mr Chalmers leaving the top NZRL job by way of applying pressure.

Kemble doesnt get the results ...

The turnaround in coaching staff is not as bad as other sporting jobs i.e. - English soccer. Frank Endacott held the job for some time. Like you and I at our jobs, coaches live and die by results.

Do you as an employee have a say in who your new boss should be

Yeah - By way of 360 degree feedback. This is especially the case in sports where player power (for better or worse) can come into play. Ex Brumbies coach, David Nucifora, was basically outed by his players. There have been many other cases in sport throughout the years.

 

[ozbash]

I'm going to go and throw up

dodgy pie ??

 

[Iafeta]

we have no choice...the decisions are not made by fans. im sure if kemble doesnt get the results, he will be on the ever growing merry go-round of kiwi coaches over the last decade.
do you as an employee have a say in who your new boss should be?

I don't agree. The board is in place to make decisions on behalf of all stakeholders, ranging from employees, sponsors, media, and yes inclusive of their customers - the fans.

I also don't agree there's been an evergrowing merry go around in the last decade. Since 1997 we've had Frank Endacott, who if I recall correctly stood down at the end of a World Cup to concentrate on other ventures, we then had Gary Freeman who yes lets face it was sacked, we had Daniel Anderson who left to take up the St Helens job, we had Brian McClennan who left to take up the Leeds position, and now we have Gary Kemble. So yes, a few names, but only one sacked, the others left of their own accord. If you translate that to football terms.... :shock:

Whilst an employee may not have direct influence on the decision as it's made, they have a hell of a lot of pull in whether the manager is reappointed. For example, if the staff below him don't believe in him (or her), then results will usually reflect this. No self respecting board could make the same mistake again, could they? In this case, yes they could and did.

 

[Coastbloke]

The NZRL should just bite the bullet, apologize to 'Bluey' and change the rules and get him back...

On the plus side, if Bennett joins the NZRL as WC coach then there is no need for snarling and gnashing of teeth as Australia doesn't have a Australian as their soccer coach and England doesn't have a Pom as their soccer coach either...

So many International cricket teams have Australian's as coaches and we shouldn't forget what Nationality the coach is for the Wallabies from now on.....