KICKING!!!

[blacktip-reefy]

When the f**k is Noddy going to put it all together in one performance?

His general kicking tonight was good, with two excellent kicks & I nearly cried when I saw, on his very first attempt for this year, a 40/20.


But the goal kicking nearly cost us.
We should have been playing an expansive second half & giving our backs some ball time but instead, we had to go into an arm wrestle & protect a 6 point lead.

 

[Genius Freak]

Merritt can kick. Give him a go.

 

[Houdini]

Noddy's goal kicking efforts tonight were appalling. He only managed to convert 3 goals, 2 of these when the kicks were from right in front.

But that 40-20 kick was beeeeeautiful

 

[Sharkies all the Way]

His kicking was very very disappointing but Im sure playing two games in a row would not have helped. He has been kicking very well in previous games but just had a shocker, Im not sure if it nearly cost us it certainly didnt make the scoreline reflect how dominant we were. Very good to see his first 40/20 for this year!

 

[RICHO]

He missed 3 from right on the sidlines!!
Lay off a bit!!!

I'd only expect 1 out of those 3 to go over, and that's from every kicker in the comp (besides El Masri who I'd expect to land 2 of the 3).

Olympic Park isn't an easy place to kick goals at. Especially when it's 10 degrees, there's an inch of due covering the ground, and there's a bit of a breeze.

Even more so when you are backing up from a game the night before.


If there's a better kicker in the Sharks 1st Grade team, I'm happy to give him a go, but I don't see it.

 

[carinashark]

Cameron Smith sent them over ok! No excuses for this lack of a kicker. This is a decision for Raper to make. Its decisions like this that sort the coaches out.
Carinashark

 

[RICHO]

Cameron Smith kicks there every week, in games and at training, so he's used to it.

Noddy has been kicking at 75% in the last few weeks. I'm happy with that.
I can give him one bad day/night, especially backing up from the night before.

 

[Sharkies all the Way]

I agree with that. Hes been kicking well so 1 bad game shouldnt mean we have to change him all of a sudden. Some people seem to think a couple of bad performances means that player must be changed eg. Peachey to be dropped now Kimmorley to be dropped from kicking. Every good player has their bad days.

 

[blacktip-reefy]

He missed 3 from right on the sidlines!!
Lay off a bit!!!

I'd only expect 1 out of those 3 to go over, and that's from every kicker in the comp (besides El Masri who I'd expect to land 2 of the 3).

El masri is an 85% kicker.He would have landed 6/7 & all 4 from the sides. kimmorley is a 64% kicker & should have landed 5 instead, he landed 2.
the decision is, do we want a 64% kicker, taking shots from the side.
the clearanswerto that is no.

Olympic Park isn't an easy place to kick goals at. Especially when it's 10 degrees, there's an inch of due covering the ground, and there's a bit of a breeze.

Nobody else has any probs. & Smith was straight as. Even kimmorleys kicks went dead straight. They went exactly where he aimed.

If there's a better kicker in the Sharks 1st Grade team, I'm happy to give him a go, but I don't see it.

Well I'd guess you better go to training to try & find one because I haveonly seen one person having a crack.
You can't tell if they kick by how they wear their socks.

 

[Sharkies all the Way]

Get real! El Masri is a freak, he is one of a kind. Kimmorley has been improving greatly recently so that stat doesnt reflect anything, the last couple of weeks when hes been getting kicking help the effect has been obvious, vastly improved. Smith didnt play the previous night, Im sure he was fresh and use to the cold weather down that way. Considering we had Anderson kicking last year Im very very happy with Kimmorleys recent goal kicking form. If Kimmorley has a shocker the coming weekend than certainly give someone else ago but for now hes good enough

 

[Genius Freak]

I've said this repeatedly for the last few years, but the point remains solid. If we have a sideline conversion to win the grand final with no time left on the clock, do we want Noddy taking the kick? Hell no.

 

[Sharkies all the Way]

Im sure most clubs wouldnt feel confortable in that position. The ONLY team that could say they would is the Bulldogs. Teams like Wests and Eagles have ok kickers, and recently both of them have mist sideline conversions to equalise and/or put them in the lead. It us unreasonable to expect them to make it as well. I think people have seen kickers like El Masri, who is 'special' and now expect their club kickers to perform at the same standard, well, it aint going to happen. I believe Kimmorley has been kciking very well bar the Storm game and will continue to. I may be proven wrong this coming weekend, we can only wait and see......

 

[Sharkies all the Way]

To add to this, I've also noticed in the Canberra v Broncos on CH9 that out of 6 kicks only 2 have been converted so far from what I've seen. All sideline kicks have been mist (3) and even one kick just off centre has been mist. The two kickers involved are De Vere and Schifcofske, to decent kickers. I think this idea of dropping Noddy as kicker comes down to 'El Masri Fever'. Most kickers will miss sideline kicks, maybe occasionally getting the odd kick, Noddy has as well, against Raiders I can recall 2 sideline kicks making it.

 

[blacktip-reefy]

Keep leading with your chin with Noddys kicking, these threads take ages to go away.
Simple fact, Noddy is inconsistent with all of his kicking.
You cannot have that in finals football.
In the quest for a GF, you must not leave a stone unturned. Every i dotted & every t, must be crossed.
We are making moves in all of the right directions in most areas & I must say that in regards to kicking, Noddy will probably make a very good back up kicker.
What you call ElMasri fever is really just evolution. New balls, strict standards & regimented training routines & techniques means that El Masri is not a freak, but rather, just one of the current best.
So, at 85%, I beleive the dogs are 6 points on the ladder better off than they should be, purely because in those close games, the dogs were up against 64%-75% kickers.
Anecdotal evidence about whats happening at Canberra today is irrelevant. Last year Fox Sports did a tally on kickers averages from different positions & Kimmorley ranked poorly generally & particularly from out wide.

 

[Sharkies all the Way]

I realise your opinion with regards to Kimmorely an inconsistency and about El Masri and they do have some merit, however:

Firstly, with regards to El Masri, "standards & regimented training routines & techniques", many teams have the same thing, but their kickers still do not perform at the same standard. El Masri has a particular advantage as he had in his early kicking career Darryl Halligan to help him, this set the plaform you might say for his superior technique and great goal kicking ability. Halligan himself was an excellant kicker and he has passed his technique on. So, although training routines etc are important yes, he has the correct technique. Once he has this technique practice practice practice fine tunes it, I can vouch that he goes through many a goal kick at training as I have a friend who has been to their private training sessions. Kimmorely like El Masri is now getting help for his kicking, and ever since this started until an unlucky game yesterday with many side line kicks this help has reflected positively in his goal kicking. And if we were to change kickers who would take Kimmorleys place? Merrit? Would he have a 85% success rate, would you trust him kicking from sideline? Right now, I'd prefer Kimmorley.

Lastly, "Last year Fox Sports did a tally on kickers averages from different positions & Kimmorley ranked poorly generally & particularly from out wide". Apart from the fact Jarrad Anderson also kicked last year (who makes Kimmorley look like a great kicker) I do not believe Kimmorely was getting the same help with his kicking last year, so I believe those stats are irrelevant. The Kimmorely we have seen in recent weeks was a new Kimmorley with regards to goal kicking. At start of season he mist even shots from in front, this changed in the Raiders game when he slotted them over from touch and has continued in the Eels game and even with the minimal chances against Dragons, I recall a kick wide out with the wind blowing a gale. In the storm game he kicked poorly no doubt, all I say is that he be given another chance this weekend and if he stuffs up again then yes its time to think of a change in goal kicking.

 

[blacktip-reefy]

I have no idea where you are coming from.
Kimmorley has kicked well in 2 games this year.
Once for us & the other for country.
That is 7 bad from 8 starts for us.
So I guess 8 bad kicking performances is the cut off for you, as that is what will happen next week.
I can't see us scoring too many in close to the sticks with the Roosters compressed defense, so, I guess we'lls see.
Maybe it will be too bright next week? Too loud? Too quiet?

 

[Sharkies all the Way]

I believe he kicked reasonably against Raiders, Eels, Dragons and City - 4 out of 5 of the most recent games. None the less, if he is going to be replaced as kicker who will replace him then? This person will need to have a better kicking record than Kimmorley. I cant see any other option. I am just coming from the point of view that it seems that Kimmorley has shown glimpses of the ability to kick well, with more work he will continue to improve. And he has, from missing shots from in front to now having the ability to kick anywhere, obviously not always 100%. I was trying to demonstrate however through the Raiders v Broncos game as an example that even recognised kickers struggle from wide kicks. I believe they have invested a bit into his goal kicking by introducing soccer players and AFL players to help Kimmorely and possibly in time it will show. If he kicks badly this coming weekend then definitely bring on a change, but Im confident that the Melbourne games performance was only a result of the cold climate and a tired player.

 

[RICHO]

Bloody hell Reefy! Get a new hobby mate!!!
:lol:

How about you go to training and find us a better kicker.
Better still, go do some training yourself, kick at 97%, then learn how to play at 1st Grade standard, and you can have a go.

Seriously man, it's getting boring. Everytime Noddy has an off night with the boot, your boot goes in.

Last years FOxSports analysis means nothing. Last year he was kickign 50-60% every week. I believe he is up to around 70% or higher now.....

 

[King of the Hill]

I cant understand why anyone would say that Kimmorley should do our goalkicking

It must be changed
When he missed that one from 5 to 10 metres to the right of the posts last night, a knowing laugh went up at Northies like 'ooh gee couldnt see that coming!'

 

[RICHO]

Who should kick then ShireShark?