Kiwi Coach

[Philip_Smith007]

I don't know if this has been discussed before, but is it time for NZRL to change the rule on the Kiwi coach having to live in NZ?

Our only team in the NRL is coached by an Aussie, and our Lion Red Cup would not be able to even compare to the premier league of the NRL.
Meaning the coaches of our international team will not have anywhere near the experience that our 2 main rivals Australia and Great Brittan have.

I still believe that a New Zealander should always coach the team, but the exposure and experience that we are limiting our coaches to is ridiculous and will not help our international league development in any way.

This is not a bring back Bluey campaign and no get rid of Kemble, but more of a come on lets think logically NZRL.

Or do we have to beaten by PNG in the world cup for this to happen?

 

[Rich102]

Up here for thinking; down there for dancing! ( and never the twain shall meet.)
League in NZ is so factional that the current system of voting the NZRL board by districts is bound to throw up strange decisions.

 

[Waitakere Warrior Fan]

It's a crazy rule and I also hope that the NZRL recognise and change that sometime soon. The majority of the team live in either England or Australia, so I can't see any good reason for why the coach needs to live over here. To be perfectly honest I'd also be quite happy to throw the job open to any applicants regardless of nationality too, since restricting the coaching options to New Zealanders leaves us with pretty limitied options.

 

[ozbash]

I actually think Gary Kemble is a good bloke who helped the NZRL out a couple of years back by taking over the C.M. Jetz . He did a pretty good job and made a very uncompetitive team good enough to make the Bartercard finals that year.

The NZRL are answerable for the 2 games we have lost since Garry took over. They allowed themselves to be bullied with regard to Bluey wanting to further his coaching career in ESL as well as look after the Kiwis. Good coaches are as rare as rocking horse sh*t in NZ, the NZRL should have offered Bluey more than Leeds , they should have given the guy a job within the organisation alongside Lowie looking at securing and developing players, coaches and officials.

The NZRL has to get rid of the selectors and replace them with people who know what they are doing.

Chalmers has to go, he is worse than sel and i didnt think that was possible..

 

[Philip_Smith007]

So who do we write too?

 

[mean]

the NZRL should have offered Bluey more than Leeds ,

From what I've heard from an associate of Bluey, for his roles as Kiwi coach and football director, he was earning 6 figures. Bluey wanted to bring about some changes which the NZRL said that they couldn't afford, so obviously were not supportive of Bluey in that role. Foregone conclusion. Why would he stay?

 

[ozbash]

Bluey wanted to bring about some changes which the NZRL said that they couldn't afford


ok, it was probably something positive which would get people to the games.

you know, silly stuff........

 

[Philip_Smith007]

Freeman agrees Bennett should coach NZ

Monday, October 29, 2007 - 4:35 PM
Kiwi legend Gary Freeman said the New Zealand Rugby League would find it "too embarrassing" to remove a controversial clause and answer a call for Broncos master Wayne Bennett to be handed the national reins.
The NZRL does not consider anyone living outside New Zealand for the Kiwi coaching job.
Freeman backed fellow Kiwi great Hugh McGahan's call for Bennett to be named New Zealand coach.
Current Kiwi mentor Gary Kemble is under pressure after New Zealand suffered a humiliating 58-0 record loss to Australia recently and were downed 20-14 by Great Britain in their three-Test series opener in England on the weekend.
Kiwi players were impressed by Bennett when he successfully coached New Zealand's All Golds in their historic clash against Northern Union in England recently.
McGahan and Freeman believe Bennett would be ideal to lead New Zealand in the country's centenary celebrations next year.
But Freeman took a swipe at the NZRL for their residency rule which he said not only cost him the national job in 2003 but also forced Tri Nations-winning mentor Brian McClennan to walk away this year.
"I think it would be very embarrassing for them (to change the rule)," he told AAP.
"The rule was introduced in 2003 because of me. It made me ineligible to get the job in 2003 - they actually call it the Freeman rule.
"They might be struggling to change the rule now.
"They've done it (used the rule to squeeze out an incumbent coach) twice now - once to me, and the other to Bluey (McClennan)."
Sydney-based Freeman edged Kemble for the national job in 2001 and led the Kiwis on the 2002 UK tour before the rule was introduced, forcing the former New Zealand skipper out.
"Wayne would do a fantastic job but he doesn't meet the criteria," Freeman said.
"Unless Wayne is going to live on the top of the North Island and fly back and forth to Brisbane, I think it might be difficult for him."
McClennan came from the clouds to be named New Zealand coach but still led New Zealand to arguably their greatest rugby league moment - trouncing Australia 24-0 in the 2005 Tri Nations final.
He left to join English Super League club Leeds after talks with NZRL broke down this year.
"The (residency) rule is the major issue. The only people who can change that is the (NZRL) board," Freeman said.
"Look back at when Brian McClennan was supposed to be hanging on to the job and talking to the board about moving to England and keeping the New Zealand job - that fell on deaf ears.
"In league today, coaches are professional and I have no drama with any coach getting the job as long as he does it well, whether it is Wayne Bennett or whoever."
But Freeman said the emphasis should be on the Kiwi players, not Kemble, after their back to back losses.
"Every time you go out there it is your reputation on the line," he said.
"Players have got to realise it doesn't matter who is coaching, in the end all you can do is your best on the field.
"If you haven't got that mind set then you shouldn't be playing."

Source: AAP

 

[mean]

Freeman should outline how he was made the Kiwi coach and what a disastrous event that was before he plagiarizes someone else's views.

 

[Lossy]

Freeman should outline how he was made the Kiwi coach and what a disastrous event that was before he plagiarizes someone else's views.

I wholly disagree, mean. Freeman should not be encouraged to say anything...




... at all...





...ever.

 

[mean]

Anyone who bribes his way into our top coaching position of our national game doesn't feature highly on my standards of integrity.

 

[Skinner]

Anyone who bribes his way into our top coaching position of our national game doesn't feature highly on my standards of integrity.

And this is the one that wanted to be the Chairman !!!!

FMD....there's enough corruption without adding that to it :lol:

 

[MKEB...]

I still find it hard to forgive Freeman for the 95 world cup...

Or for running out of interchanges with 15 minutes to spare in a wellington test a few years back...and Menzies running on fresh.

 

[mean_maori_mean]

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The NZRL has to get rid of the selectors and replace them with people who know what they are doing.

replace them with people who know what they are doing?? Last time I checked the selectors are more than qualified selectors.

Howie tamati - lots of experience playing,coaching, selecting, management
Kemp - former warriors coach assistant coach, former kiwi
Joe Gwynne - former kiwi selector, coached half of kiwi greats.

They certainly arent nuffies by any standard.

 

[ozbash]

replace them with people who know what they are doing?? Last time I checked the selectors are more than qualified selectors.

Howie tamati - lots of experience playing,coaching, selecting, management
Kemp - former warriors coach assistant coach, former kiwi
Joe Gwynne - former kiwi selector, coached half of kiwi greats.

They certainly arent nuffies by any standard.

howie is a nuffy, nuffy coach, nuffy administrator.
kempy is a misunderstood ex coach who should stick to what he is good at, calling games on MTV

gwynne :lol:

 

[MKEB...]

Howie...no way Jose. Years in Taranaki, and what has he done for Taranaki RL? Nothing, apart from making sure Waitara players are the first looked at for anything.

 

[Skinner]

replace them with people who know what they are doing?? Last time I checked the selectors are more than qualified selectors.

Howie tamati - lots of experience playing,coaching, selecting, management
Kemp - former warriors coach assistant coach, former kiwi
Joe Gwynne - former kiwi selector, coached half of kiwi greats.

They certainly arent nuffies by any standard.

Oh yeah, Howie, Tony and Joe...........f**k me dead. Jobs for the boys.

Spot the trend here........................

 

[Mixmasterreece]

I'm starting the "Supermod 08" campaign for kiwis coach.

 

[Dr Crane]

We just need to get a Pommy club interested in Kemble.




f**k.

 

[mean]

Oh yeah, Howie, Tony and Joe...........f**k me dead. Jobs for the boys.

Spot the trend here........................

I think the coaching and the selector pool is incestuous, only because not many players have followed through with giving back to the game as coaches, managers, administrators and other personnel. I don't think it's a case of jobs for the boys as such, because there's f all to choose from anyway.

Is Joe Gwynne a selector or is he there as a mentor.

We could compile a list of suitable other candidates to choose as selectors, but someone else will then also suggest that it's jobs for the boys. Everyone in league is intertwined somehow. We could also say that Halligan and Williams had jobs for the boys as well.