Knock-on Effect NSW Cup - Eels Team

[Gronk]

Of course the apologists will deny and argue

Dictionary.com says the opposite of an apologist is an antagonist.

Which is exactly what you are doing by getting your knickers in a knot because merkins have a different opinion to you.

The club signed Hodgo for 1 f**king year. At best he plays and slays. At worst we have a gun hooker coach for Hands, Yates and Niutili-Schmidt.

There are two option clauses which may be exercised by either party. If we exercise the option he gets paid well. If he exercises the option, then he’s on shit money. None of this happens without communication, so he might just retire.

There is an option in both favours so I have got two years, there is a player option and a club option in that one, so I am there for two years just to clear that one up,” Hodgson said on the Fox League podcast.

“I heard about the story, but there's an option in my favour and in the club’s favour which is obviously different in salaries, that’s why it is negotiated like that but there is an option in both favours so it will be a two-year deal.”

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I don’t know what other good hookers are were on the market, but I bet you $1 that they all want 3 or 4 years at solid coin.

I can see your POV however I can also see the club’s POV. I just don’t think that the club has taken a huge risk as some portray.

 

[hindy111]

Dictionary.com says the opposite of an apologist is an antagonist.

Which is exactly what you are doing by getting your knickers in a knot because merkins have a different opinion to you.

The club signed Hodgo for 1 f**king year. At best he plays and slays. At worst we have a gun hooker coach for Hands, Yates and Niutili-Schmidt.

There are two option clauses which may be exercised by either party. If we exercise the option he gets paid well. If he exercises the option, then he’s on shit money.

There is an option in both favours so I have got two years, there is a player option and a club option in that one, so I am there for two years just to clear that one up,” Hodgson said on the Fox League podcast.

“I heard about the story, but there's an option in my favour and in the club’s favour which is obviously different in salaries, that’s why it is negotiated like that but there is an option in both favours so it will be a two-year deal.”

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I don’t know what other good hookers are were on the market, but I bet you $1 that they all want 3 or 4 years at solid coin.

I can see your POV however I can also see the club’s POV. I just don’t think that the club has taken a huge risk as some portray.

Yeah I mean if he stays fit he probably be ok.
He may kill it. His knee may blow.
Time will tell. But one things for sure if he does go shit I will be here beating my chest and bagging all the apologists. Put your house on that.

 

[Gronk]

Yeah I mean if he stays fit he probably be ok.
He may kill it. His knee may blow.
Time will tell. But one things for sure if he does go shit I will be here beating my chest and bagging all the apologists. Put your house on that.

Well I bet you are looking forward to him failing. Best of luck. That will be a great day for you.

 

[Joshuatheeel]

Well you'd have to ask yourself why other clubs where not considering not many good hookers around.
Manly,Penrith,Tigers at time all desperate for a hooker.

Exactly that’s why the claim we paid overs for him is laughable, considering the history of MON negotiations with players……plus there is his injury record too…

here is an early prediction @hindy111, if Hodgson stays on the field next year (and of course his injury record makes that a huge risk), he will be talked about as one of the better signings of year after it is revealed how cheap we signed him for (my guess $500k to $600k total for 2 years, the PO contributing to help make it cheap)

Additionally he is the reason the others didn’t chase him:

manly - had the young future NSW hooker on the books until recently found guilty of the stabbing

Penrith - are happy with kenny

tigers - signed Api, plus they have no idea of squad management

We signed him as he was “cheap” and we need a “elite” spine player with experience to improve our decision making (yes I agree he aren’t elite any longer, but experienced remains)….

And of course I agree it is a risk, but sometimes it needs to be taken for sides like us who need a bit for luck then sides like roosters, Storm etc etc …

 

[strider]

They lost Korisau. Kenny is average and more a lock.
I'm just pointing out there isn't heaps of good hookers. If Hodgson was wanted then plenty of other clubs would of chased. The fact we signed him so quickly thou to me suggest our offer was good. He had rejected the Tigers offer a few weeks prior. Obviously it wasn't enough. With us he practically signed immediately.
I still perosnaly beleive we over reacted in losing Mahoney and paid overs for him. I could be wrong but it's the way I see it.

All those juniors, yet they cant produce 1 decent hooker?

Its hard to read anything into the timing of announcements. Alot goes on we have no knowledge of. I assume we (and other clubs) had been talking with hodgson for many weeks prior to losing mahoney, wanting to keep mahoney, but sorting out hodgson as a backup plan cos we knew reed couldnt resist a chinese meal. Then the d9minos all fall into place in quick succession.

 

[hindy111]

Well I bet you are looking forward to him failing. Best of luck. That will be a great day for you.

I sure am. Me and Hineyrulz, Jake the snake will sure be there.

 

[hindy111]

Exactly that’s why the claim we paid overs for him is laughable, considering the history of MON negotiations with players……plus there is his injury record too…

here is an early prediction @hindy111, if Hodgson stays on the field next year (and of course his injury record makes that a huge risk), he will be talked about as one of the better signings of year after it is revealed how cheap we signed him for (my guess $500k to $600k total for 2 years, the PO contributing to help make it cheap)

Additionally he is the reason the others didn’t chase him:

manly - had the young future NSW hooker on the books until recently found guilty of the stabbing

Penrith - are happy with kenny

tigers - signed Api, plus they have no idea of squad management

We signed him as he was “cheap” and we need a “elite” spine player with experience to improve our decision making (yes I agree he aren’t elite any longer, but experienced remains)….

And of course I agree it is a risk, but sometimes it needs to be taken for sides like us who need a bit for luck then sides like roosters, Storm etc etc …

Penrith aren't happy with Kenny and he won't be their starting hooker. I'd say a young guy will step up.

I also hope your right. Tbh Mahoney is not what many predicted. Just a one trick pony with the odd 40/20 so glad we didn't spill 650k on the fat little pork barrell

 

[hindy111]

All those juniors, yet they cant produce 1 decent hooker?

Its hard to read anything into the timing of announcements. Alot goes on we have no knowledge of. I assume we (and other clubs) had been talking with hodgson for many weeks prior to losing mahoney, wanting to keep mahoney, but sorting out hodgson as a backup plan cos we knew reed couldnt resist a chinese meal. Then the d9minos all fall into place in quick succession.

Thus is certainly plausible and I appreciate your input. It does make sense.
Now I am very busy. I got work to do.
The Kubota should arrive anytime and I won't be there to witness the arrival.

 

[Joshuatheeel]

Of course the apologists will deny and argue he was cheap etc. I just look at the situation.
At the time he hadn't done his knee a 3rd time.
Tigers where chasing but didn't land him. Eels lost Mahoney and within 2 weeks or so had signed Hodgson. If people think he is only costing around 250k they have rocks in head.
I know media reports where he was on 800k and looking a half his pay packet. I'd say that's on the money. Being his 2nd year is an option in his favour perhaps his 2nd year is closer to 250-300k. Hope I am wrong. He is quality if can turn back the clock for a year or two. But don't be auprised if Rein is our starter next season.

the only facts we know are:

- No other clubs made offers to Hodgson

- Hodgson injury history

- Our record with negotiations is we are “tight” and our first offer is normally low (eg Mahoney, Papa, Gutho , even @Avenger said he had mail our offer to Nikora was embarrassing and we definitely need an edge player)

- reports we were offered Robson, Liddle and interested in Verillis, so we had other options

So the current “knowns” are hardly an indication we suddenly offer Hodgson overs….but gee it’s a great story to put shit on the eels…

 

[emjaycee]

I sure am. Me and Hineyrulz, Jake the snake will sure be there.

Is that like "Antagonists Assemble!!!"

 

[Gazzamatta]

Of course the apologists will deny and argue he was cheap etc. I just look at the situation.
At the time he hadn't done his knee a 3rd time.
Tigers where chasing but didn't land him. Eels lost Mahoney and within 2 weeks or so had signed Hodgson. If people think he is only costing around 250k they have rocks in head.
I know media reports where he was on 800k and looking a half his pay packet. I'd say that's on the money. Being his 2nd year is an option in his favour perhaps his 2nd year is closer to 250-300k. Hope I am wrong. He is quality if can turn back the clock for a year or two. But don't be auprised if Rein is our starter next season.

I read that the second year option goes both ways. Not sure how that works though.

 

[Gazzamatta]

Dictionary.com says the opposite of an apologist is an antagonist.

Which is exactly what you are doing by getting your knickers in a knot because merkins have a different opinion to you.

The club signed Hodgo for 1 f**king year. At best he plays and slays. At worst we have a gun hooker coach for Hands, Yates and Niutili-Schmidt.

There are two option clauses which may be exercised by either party. If we exercise the option he gets paid well. If he exercises the option, then he’s on shit money. None of this happens without communication, so he might just retire.

There is an option in both favours so I have got two years, there is a player option and a club option in that one, so I am there for two years just to clear that one up,” Hodgson said on the Fox League podcast.

“I heard about the story, but there's an option in my favour and in the club’s favour which is obviously different in salaries, that’s why it is negotiated like that but there is an option in both favours so it will be a two-year deal.”

LINK

I don’t know what other good hookers are were on the market, but I bet you $1 that they all want 3 or 4 years at solid coin.

I can see your POV however I can also see the club’s POV. I just don’t think that the club has taken a huge risk as some portray.

I liked the look of the German kid and his brother.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

They lost Korisau. Kenny is average and more a lock.
I'm just pointing out there isn't heaps of good hookers. If Hodgson was wanted then plenty of other clubs would of chased. The fact we signed him so quickly thou to me suggest our offer was good. He had rejected the Tigers offer a few weeks prior. Obviously it wasn't enough. With us he practically signed immediately.
I still perosnaly beleive we over reacted in losing Mahoney and paid overs for him. I could be wrong but it's the way I see it.

$400k is about right for Hodgson. If he played every game he would be worth a lot more than that.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Yeah I mean if he stays fit he probably be ok.
He may kill it. His knee may blow.
Time will tell. But one things for sure if he does go shit I will be here beating my chest and bagging all the apologists. Put your house on that.

There’s nothing to beat your chest about. We all know how old he is. We all know he’s had knee injuries. If he doesn’t get injured it doesn’t mean he couldn’t have, and if he does get injured it wasn’t a foregone conclusion.

 

[JokerEel]

Of course the apologists will deny and argue he was cheap etc. I just look at the situation.
At the time he hadn't done his knee a 3rd time.
Tigers where chasing but didn't land him. Eels lost Mahoney and within 2 weeks or so had signed Hodgson. If people think he is only costing around 250k they have rocks in head.
I know media reports where he was on 800k and looking a half his pay packet. I'd say that's on the money. Being his 2nd year is an option in his favour perhaps his 2nd year is closer to 250-300k. Hope I am wrong. He is quality if can turn back the clock for a year or two. But don't be auprised if Rein is our starter next season.

Fairly sure the option is in our favour... BTW if you are going to bring up the apologist line maybe try to be accurate in your posts to put them in their place?

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Fairly sure the option is in our favour... BTW if you are going to bring up the apologist line maybe try to be accurate in your posts to put them in their place?

Gronk posted the quote above. Both parties have an option, but for different prices. If Hodgson wants to stay the option is worth less than if we want him to stay. Presumably the deadlines are on different days.

 

[JokerEel]

Gronk posted the quote above. Both parties have an option, but for different prices. If Hodgson wants to stay the option is worth less than if we want him to stay. Presumably the deadlines are on different days.

I dont know who this Gronk guy is but he sounds awesome

 

[Avenger]

the only facts we know are:

- No other clubs made offers to Hodgson

- Hodgson injury history

- Our record with negotiations is we are “tight” and our first offer is normally low (eg Mahoney, Papa, Gutho , even @Avenger said he had mail our offer to Nikora was embarrassing and we definitely need an edge player)

- reports we were offered Robson, Liddle and interested in Verillis, so we had other options

So the current “knowns” are hardly an indication we suddenly offer Hodgson overs….but gee it’s a great story to put shit on the eels…

Our offer and I quote was ‘offensive’ to Nikora.

 

[Joshuatheeel]

Talking of hookers, reckon Wishart wouId be a good option for 2024…2 and a half years with the Storm, in a good system, decent NRL experience, ready for a permanent starting spot…

 

[hindy111]

I read that the second year option goes both ways. Not sure how that works though.

There’s nothing to beat your chest about. We all know how old he is. We all know he’s had knee injuries. If he doesn’t get injured it doesn’t mean he couldn’t have, and if he does get injured it wasn’t a foregone conclusion.

I'll beat my chest anyhows.