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Kurt Mann @ 5/8

possm

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Well people keep saying his best position is 5/8.

Now is the time to prove it.

This game will go a long way to help his career if he can lead us to a win in a finals game, even if it’s not at the Dragons.
Mann will play his very best as he always does, no matter where Mary plays him. He has different skills to Widdop and so this means Hunt will also need to be on his game as Hunt will have to take on more responsibility.

If Mann runs straight and hard a provides good passes outside to Lafai and Pereira and inside to Dufty and Sims he would have done what's expected of him. It goes without saying he needs to continue with his robust defence.
 

giboz71

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Pound for pound one of the strongest players . If Mary keeps Jack and Graham out of the play making and let Mann do his thing he will be alright ...

Well he’s definitely more robust than Widdop and doesn’t mind the contact.

Probably not a bad thing for a semi final. Finesse isn’t going to win the day against Souths.
 

SEAT 1A

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Doesn't have set the world on fire tonight. His passing game needs to be on song and let Benny run the show.
 

RedV Resurgence

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Doesn't have set the world on fire tonight. His passing game needs to be on song and let Benny run the show.

Actually, he needs to play as a 5/8 including his kicking game - then Souths can't run at Hunt on the 5th. We need to not be predictable. Mann needs to run, pass and kick - he has shown he can do this even when the forwards are not 't making much yardage.

All the other players need to worry about line-speed, kick chase, backing up the runner and having multiple runners (running different lines) and Souths will struggle.
 

possm

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Actually, he needs to play as a 5/8 including his kicking game - then Souths can't run at Hunt on the 5th. We need to not be predictable. Mann needs to run, pass and kick - he has shown he can do this even when the forwards are not 't making much yardage.

All the other players need to worry about line-speed, kick chase, backing up the runner and having multiple runners (running different lines) and Souths will struggle.

I'd also be using Lomax as a general play kicker on occasions. Just to mix things up.
 

getsmarty

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The 28 perfect games that prepared Mann for greatest test
Author
Joel Gould
Timestamp
Sat 15 Sep 2018, 08:01 AM

Kurt Mann once played 28 consecutive games without making a handling error.

It is the kind of perfection the St George Illawarra five-eighth will be aiming to replicate in the semi-final against South Sydney on Saturday night in what is the greatest test of the 25-year-old's career.

Mann was signed by Melbourne in 2013 with the hope that he could eventually fill Gareth Widdop’s shoes. On Saturday night he will replace the injured Widdop in a showdown with the Rabbitohs.

When the utility, whose preference is to play in the halves, was in Year 12 at St Brendan’s College in Central Queensland, he was under the guidance of his First XIII mentor, Terry Hansen.

A "possession is nine-tenths of the law" type of coach, Hansen scrupulously keep count of how many times his players coughed it up. Next to Mann's name he did not write a digit for an entire season.

"Kurt played fullback for me in 2010 and he didn't drop the ball in 28 games that whole year. Whether it was collecting grubbers, taking bombs or catching dodgy passes he was 100 per cent … and he got plenty thrown at him," Hansen told NRL.com

"I loved that stat and kept records on all my players, and he had a perfect year. I've never had a player do it before and I doubt it will happen again. It's unheard of. He just had terrific hands."

Kurt's the Mann to replace Widdop

Hansen - a schoolboy mentor for decades who coached the likes of Matt Scott, Jake Granville, Corey Oates and Dave Taylor - said the stat revealed Mann's confidence and skill, and he had another story that is legendary in Central Queensland which revealed his courage.

St Brendan's were long odds to beat Ignatius Park College in the biggest game of the year and Hansen said Mann's brave performance gave him confidence he would not shirk his work if the Rabbitohs' trio of Burgess brothers run all night at him.

"My favourite story is when he was in Year 11 and we were playing the Confraternity Shield final in Bundaberg and he was a skinny little centre," Hansen grinned.

"He got splattered by this big Polynesian kid. It put his nose all over his face and blood was squirting everywhere, so my trainer went out, waved his arms and said 'he's done'. Kurt said 'I'm not going off' and I knew there and then I had a real footy player.

"We stuffed his nose with turmeric powder to stop the bleeding, taped him up and he absolutely starred for us, so there is no doubting his courage.

"The Burgess brothers can run at him as much as they like and I know one thing; Kurt won't shirk it. He’ll have a go."

Saturday night will be the fourth time this year St Brendan's College has had two of its former students lining up in the halves together in an NRL game with Ben Hunt also a former league star at the school.

Rabbitohs v Dragons - Semi-Final

"They are both kids from the bush, both have worked hard to get where they are," Hansen said.

Clint Zammitt, now the recruitment boss at the Cowboys, was Mann's manager when he signed with Melbourne from the Knights at the end of 2012.

"If he gets time there I am sure Kurt can develop into a handy half," Zammitt said.

"I knew he would develop as a player and a person at the Storm and there was a pathway for a young half/five-eighth. He got out of his comfort zone and grew up.

"I knew if he got through Melbourne he could get through anything and now now he's such a valuable player to St George Illawarra because he can play anywhere in the back-line."


https://www.nrl.com/news/2018/09/15/the-28-perfect-games-that-prepared-kurt-mann-for-greatest-test/
 

Brutalitops

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An admittedly poor last tackle option at the death, but I don't think that moment should define Mann as a 5/8. I think he performed admirably considering he was filling the shoes of Widdop, who I believe we win that game with
 

Slackboy72

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An admittedly poor last tackle option at the death, but I don't think that moment should define Mann as a 5/8. I think he performed admirably considering he was filling the shoes of Widdop, who I believe we win that game with
Nothing against him but he isn't a 5/8. He's been great as a small utility forward but we couldn't expect him to make the difference. Really losing Vaughan, Widdop and Sims really meant we were fighting like mad to get annihilated by easts next week.
 

gitano

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They wanted it more. Shocking option, Hunt should have kicked to the corner.

You need arrogance and we lacked it tonight. Dufty not letting the ball go, the Mcinness call was garbage but only one side went after it in the second half, and it wasn't us.

No sustained pressure, no repeat sets and really threw nothing at them.

Our wrestle was non existent and they just marched 80m per set
 

rednwhites

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They wanted it more. Shocking option, Hunt should have kicked to the corner.

You need arrogance and we lacked it tonight. Dufty not letting the ball go, the Mcinness call was garbage but only one side went after it in the second half, and it wasn't us.

No sustained pressure, no repeat sets and really threw nothing at them.

Our wrestle was non existent and they just marched 80m per set

We lost Tariq at the worst time. There was a confidence boost and more freedom for the Rabbits after that. Forget the three tries he scored last week. His real value is in the pressure he puts on opposition.

I dare say it would have been a bridge too far for us next week without him in any case.
 

gitano

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We lost Tariq at the worst time. There was a confidence boost and more freedom for the Rabbits after that. Forget the three tries he scored last week. His real value is in the pressure he puts on opposition.

I dare say it would have been a bridge too far for us next week without him in any case.
We managed fine without him. Inability to slow down the play the ball and win the tackle in the middle is what cost us.
 

SaintPauli

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They wanted it more. Shocking option, Hunt should have kicked to the corner.

You need arrogance and we lacked it tonight. Dufty not letting the ball go, the Mcinness call was garbage but only one side went after it in the second half, and it wasn't us.

No sustained pressure, no repeat sets and really threw nothing at them.

Our wrestle was non existent and they just marched 80m per set
Our game is based on possession of the ball. Mcinnes passing the ball back was with all intention as a pass to Dragons player. The NRL must I repeat must change this rule that if it is not deliberate then play on ! The south's player no attempt to get out of the way! Stupid rule that needs immediate update.
 

gitano

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Our game is based on possession of the ball. Mcinnes passing the ball back was with all intention as a pass to Dragons player. The NRL must I repeat must change this rule that if it is not deliberate then play on ! The south's player no attempt to get out of the way! Stupid rule that needs immediate update.
It does indeed.

McInnes did actually pass it into him on purpose. BUT, as with similar rules, the skill lies in disguising it well enough.
AFL players are good at disguising deliberately kicking it out. Escort runners are decent at taking out a kick chaser. For mine, Mcinnes did enough but the toofless ones got that call
 

ozbuck

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Hunt is going to get blasted for the last tackle play, yeh he probably should've kicked it in hindsight BUT we did have an overlap and Mann stepped back inside when he received the ball rather than passing it where there space on the outside.
 

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