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Kurt Mann @ 5/8

Slippery Morris

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How Mann does not get selected every week as a centre ahead of Lafai or Aitken is crazy. He is so much better than those 2 it is so obvious. I have always rated Mann as a gun and was glad he re-signed. He has probably made as many mistakes as Lafai, Aitken and Dufty yet gets relegated to the bench when he does it and the others get a 2nd, 3rd, 4th hell they are up to their 50th chance.

He did it tough as well as those 10 mins without Hunt on the field he was the only recognised half and held his own. His defence was really good as well. Widdop slips over too much, he needs new boots.

I Think Mann will be NIghty's replacement next year and will have a spot in the backline. Hopefully Lafai asks for a release to go back to the dogs.
 

RufusRex

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How Mann does not get selected every week as a centre ahead of Lafai or Aitken is crazy. He is so much better than those 2 it is so obvious. I have always rated Mann as a gun and was glad he re-signed. He has probably made as many mistakes as Lafai, Aitken and Dufty yet gets relegated to the bench when he does it and the others get a 2nd, 3rd, 4th hell they are up to their 50th chance.

He did it tough as well as those 10 mins without Hunt on the field he was the only recognised half and held his own. His defence was really good as well. Widdop slips over too much, he needs new boots.

I Think Mann will be NIghty's replacement next year and will have a spot in the backline. Hopefully Lafai asks for a release to go back to the dogs.


Our centres should be Mann (left) and Lomax (right) .. Both have more complete games than either of the dolts we currently trot out. They both can run, are strong, have attacking passing games and general game awareness. Nene for one wing and that just leaves the other wing …
 

Old Timer

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Our centres should be Mann (left) and Lomax (right) .. Both have more complete games than either of the dolts we currently trot out. They both can run, are strong, have attacking passing games and general game awareness. Nene for one wing and that just leaves the other wing …
The ability of a centre to throw a bullet pass is a great attribute.
Mann certainly has that skill, while Aitken is totally lacking and Lafai really only has an offload which has been almost non existent this year.
Hav not seen enough of Lomax but if he can pass and defend then he should get a start asap.
 

RufusRex

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Mann was quick enough to keep up with Luc who left lafai in his wake ;-)

no doubt the Git will be on to tell us how good a footy player he was and why Aitken is the best centre to grace the paddock .. anyone with half a brain though knows that this simply isn't the case.
 

st penguin

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Mann was quick enough to keep up with Luc who left lafai in his wake ;-)

no doubt the Git will be on to tell us how good a footy player he was and why Aitken is the best centre to grace the paddock .. anyone with half a brain though knows that this simply isn't the case.

Only saw the try once - but it was strange seeing Mann come up on the outside of Lafai. Finally some support play!
 

possm

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How long has Mann been at the club?
What is Mann's weakest skill and what has the coach done about it?
Surely, bring in Soward to kick high spiral balls to him every chance there is and you will find him to be safe under the high ball. Hiis defence is sound, he runs straight and hard and is a good link in the backline.
 

getsmarty

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Nope, just saying it as I see it.
Not blinded like some.
Dufty is fine.
Widdop is weak.

Creeping knew it, wouldn’t put him in halves or as captain for good reason.

So you think you know more than Bennett??!! ....ffs man


Widdop wins Player of the Year Medal
Sun 17th September, 07:30PM
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St George Illawarra Dragons Awards night at Doletone House , Pyrmont .Picture : Gregg Porteous

St George Illawarra skipper Gareth Widdop has won the prestigious Dragons Player of the Year Medal at the annual presentation night on Sunday.

The English international was duly selected by both his peers and the coaching staff following a season that saw him also selected as the RLPA Five-eighth of the Year.

2017 recruit Paul Vaughan was also recognised for his outstanding season, taking home two awards in the Red V Members Player of the Year and the Geoff Selby Memorial Trophy.

Selby was a hardworking and respected Dragon who was tragically killed in a car accident in 1989, with Vaughan – who will play in the Prime Minister's XIII clash against Papua New Guinea next week – awarded the honour for displaying characteristics of the award's namesake.

Fellow recruit Cameron McInnes was awarded the Dragons Immortals Trophy, an award selected by the coaching staff in consideration with the Immortals criteria of demonstrating outstanding commitment and dedication in all aspects of rugby league.

Reigning NRL Ken Stephen Medallist Joel Thompson won his third-straight Dragons Community Involvement Award for his tireless work in the community.

Thompson also won the Mark Coyne Trophy for career development, with the back-rower currently studying a Diploma of Leadership and Management as well as him undertaking work experience in the juvenile justice system.

Young Dragons back-rower Jackson Ford won the Paul McGregor Trophy as the Under-20s Player of the Year, while Luciano Leilua and Jack Payne took home the Illawarra Player of the Year and the Illawarra Coach's Award respectively.

Dragons Player of the Year Medal Recipients:

2017: Gareth Widdop
2016:
Tyson Frizell
2015: Leeson Ah Mau
2014: Ben Creagh
2013: Trent Merrin
2012: Brett Morris
2011: Jason Nightingale
2010: Ben Creagh
2009: Ben Creagh
2008: Jason Ryles
2007: Ben Creagh
2006: Mark Gasnier and Jason Ryles
2005: Luke Bailey
2004: Mathew Head
2003: Ben Hornby
2002: Shaun Timmins
2001: Jason Ryles
2000: Trent Barrett
1999: Jamie Ainscough

http://www.dragons.com.au/news/2017/09/17/widdop_wins_player_o.html
 

getsmarty

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Gareth Widdop wins St George Illawarra Dragons top award
After missing out on finals and finishing second in the NRL’s top pointscorer race, St George Illawarra captain Gareth Widdop was awarded the club’s individual prize, winning the Dragons Medal on Sunday night.

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All smiles: Dragons captain Gareth Widdop won the club's top individual prize during a ceremony on Sunday night. Picture: Sylvia Liber

Widdop finished with 191 points for the campaign, only behind Penrith’s Nathan Cleary.

Ben Hornby, Mark Gasnier, Jason Ryles and Ben Creagh are among the other recent Dragons Medal winners.

Paul Vaughan was also among the award winners, taking out the members player of the year prize and the Geoff Selby Memorial Trophy in recognition for his outstanding performance.

Vaughan, Tyson Frizell and departing centre Josh Dugan will play for the Australian Prime Minister’s XIII next week.

Reigning NRL Ken Stephen Medallist Joel Thompson won his third-straight Dragons Community Involvement Award for his tireless work in the community.

Thompson also won the Mark Coyne Trophy for career development, with the back-rower currently studying a Diploma of Leadership and Management as well as him undertaking work experience in the juvenile justice system.

Back-rower Jackson Ford won the Paul McGregor Trophy as the Under 20s player of the year, while Luciano Leilua received the NSW Premiership award.

DRAGONS MEDAL
St George Illawarra best individual player honour roll

2017: Gareth Widdop

2016: Tyson Frizell

2015: Leeson Ah Mau

2014: Ben Creagh

2013: Trent Merrin

http://www.illawarramercury.com.au/story/4929190/widdop-takes-out-top-award/
 

getsmarty

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St George Illawarra Dragons and England international half-back Gareth Widdop has been named the NRL’s Five-Eighth of the Year.
The Dragons star was awarded the accolade for the first time in his career last night and also finished third in the running for the Dally M Medal behind winner Cameron Smith.

Widdop, who’s in his fourth season with the Dragons after making the switch from Melbourne Storm, was also crowned St George’s Player of the Year recently.

The 28-year-old scored 10 tries in 2017 and notched 18 assists for his Dragons team-mates.

Gareth Widdop capping off a stellar 2017 season with being selected #DallyM ‘Five-eighth of the Year’! Congrats Gareth! #redv pic.twitter.com/DQI3IRAjhU

— The Dragons (@NRL_Dragons) September 27, 2017
Widdop will line up against England team-mate Scott Taylor in February 2018 when the Black and Whites face the Dragons as part of a historic double header at ANZ Stadium, which also sees Wigan Warriors lock horns with South Sydney Rabbitohs.

The back-to-back Challenge Cup holders will take on the Warriors a week prior to the double header in the first Super League game played outside of Europe at WIN Stadium in Wollongong.

Tickets and official tour packages for the historic trip to New South Wales in February 2018 are on sale now.

Tickets are on general sale and you can purchase them for the Super League clash against Wigan Warriors in Wollongong by clicking here

Tickets for the double header which sees Hull taking on St George and Wigan facing South Sydney, can be bought by clicking here


http://www.hullfc.com/news/2017-09-28-widdop-named-nrl-five-eighth-of-the-year
 

getsmarty

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NRL 2018: Ben Hunt compares Dragons teammate Gareth Widdop to Broncos legend Darren Lockyer
John Dean, FOX SPORTS
March 13, 2018 8:48pm

ST GEORGE Illawarra recruit Ben Hunt has given teammate Gareth Widdop the ultimate rap, comparing the five-eighth to Brisbane legend Darren Lockyer.

Hunt and Widdop’s on-field partnership got off to the best possible start with the international duo firing for the Dragons in their huge season-opening win over the Broncos.

Hunt, who played alongside Lockyer in his first three seasons of NRL, said Widdop shared plenty of similarities with the former Australia and Queensland champion — not just their positional switch from fullback to five-eighth.


It’s an incredible statement given Lockyer is among the favourites to be named the ninth rugby league Immortal later this year.

“I’d put Gareth up there with Darren Lockyer the way he does everything at training,” Hunt told Queenslanders Only.

“I was lucky enough to have a bit of time with Darren and then to go down there and train with (Widdop) — his knowledge of the game and everything he does is excellent.

“You come into a game and he’s the type of player, that if I do my job, he’s going to be even better.

“The more I can do in the game to open it up for him; we’re going to do a lot of damage this year.”

Hunt said his playmaking role at the Dragons had slightly changed from the way he played at the Broncos.

He put that down to his conversations with new coach Paul McGregor.

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Gareth Widdop of the Dragons celebrates with his team in round one against the Broncos.

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“Paul told me midway through last year he wanted a genuine halfback, someone who can take control of the team and let Gareth play his natural game,” Hunt said.

“I’ve come down and he’s asked me how I like to play and given me a few tips on how he’d like me to play as well.

“He wants me to be more up on the ball and playing off my forwards.

“The more I’m controlling the team and moving us around the better it’s going to be for the guys like Gareth and young ‘Duff’ (Matt Dufty) at the back.”

After pass his first big test, Hunt’s focus now turns to Thursday night’s local derby against Cronulla at Southern Cross Group Stadium.

It’s not the first rugby league derby the crafty playmaker’s been involved in, having taken part in the Queensland clash between Brisbane and North Queensland since 2010.

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Ben Hunt in action for Dragons. Picture: Phil Hillyard
“It’s a bit of a strange feeling,” Hunt said of the Dragons-Sharks clash.

“Everyone at training has been talking about how big of a derby it is and it’s a big clash going up against those guys.

“Coming from Queensland, (Broncos-Cowboys) is one of the biggest derbies in the competition.

“You get to Suncorp and there are about 40,000 people in the stadium. It feels like a finals game.

“To be a big clash, it’s got a lot to live up to the Queensland derby.”



http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/sport...k=47600042205a27f699c0111cbe73f745-1520946712
 

getsmarty

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BennyV said:
Please find anywhere that i have stated that Mann was a better option at fullback than Dugan. I merely accepted it as an inevitability.

Also, interesting 2016 stat...
With Benji - 0% wins
Without Benji - 100% wins

Discuss.
Click to expand...
I started a thread about Widdop, provided an in-depth analysis and all you homies do is rave about Benji. Of course I know why it is. You hate to face the truth about how utterly useless Widdop is so you want to change the subject.

Sounds familiar.
 

The Damo

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See I never actually made a conscious decision to become the Lafai defender, yet here we are. This might be a case of people (including me) seeing what they want to see. And there’s even video to check... play starts with Mann and Lafai standing deeper than luc,Mann on the inside. As luc accelerates at the line Lafai goes with him, shaping his run so if luc drawsthe inside defender and pops the pass before impact he can go behind luc. Mann angles his his run so he’s heading on the outside for an offload after the line. If Lafai had stayed running outside luc the defender on him probably wouldn’t be drawn in opening the gap for Mann once Luc breaks the tackle. To me that looks like players deliberately giving the ball runner options. Whatever you do see it’s very hard to make a case Lafai was trying to run an outside line but Mann overtook him. Note I’m not claiming Lafai is faster than Mann.
https://www.dragons.com.au/news/2018/08/18/pereira-opens-the-scoring/
 

Carlton

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Widdop is good at some things but game management and captaincy are not two of them. I dont think Hunt is the sole answer, to me he looks more like a 5/8.

One of the things the team is missing is that player that can steer the team around the park even when things aren't going their way. Even if we had that player there needs to be a rethink from the coaching staff regarding what Widdops role is, he seems to be able to overcall whenever he wants to and this makes it hard for any halves partner trying to direct the team around.
 

Belta

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Possum said;

“What about rotating Widdop/Dufty during games with Dufty having orders to run straight. A run around Dufty - Lafai - Dufty may well be a very potent attackingmove in the right circumstances.”

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Possum I think there are a number of variations that could be tried. The other teams appear to have well and truly worked Dufty out from fullback. Your idea of Widdop and Dufty swapping for periods has merit, Dufty would offer a whole new dimension around the ruck IMO. The other idea I like was putting Hunt in as dummy half at some stage, and giving McInnes a spell, (Mann in the halves)

The last two months we have become very predictable.
 

The Damo

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The ability of a centre to throw a bullet pass is a great attribute.
Mann certainly has that skill, while Aitken is totally lacking and Lafai really only has an offload which has been almost non existent this year.
Hav not seen enough of Lomax but if he can pass and defend then he should get a start asap.
Not trying to have a go OT, but this is one of those occasions stats are useful. Lafai has pulled way back on his offloads this year no doubt. But he’s sixth at centre for offloads with 22, and has the equal highest success rate of effective offloads with 20 which is 91% same as latrell. I don’t think almost non existent is anywhere close to accurate a description.
 

Dragons 09

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See I never actually made a conscious decision to become the Lafai defender, yet here we are. This might be a case of people (including me) seeing what they want to see. And there’s even video to check... play starts with Mann and Lafai standing deeper than luc,Mann on the inside. As luc accelerates at the line Lafai goes with him, shaping his run so if luc drawsthe inside defender and pops the pass before impact he can go behind luc. Mann angles his his run so he’s heading on the outside for an offload after the line. If Lafai had stayed running outside luc the defender on him probably wouldn’t be drawn in opening the gap for Mann once Luc breaks the tackle. To me that looks like players deliberately giving the ball runner options. Whatever you do see it’s very hard to make a case Lafai was trying to run an outside line but Mann overtook him. Note I’m not claiming Lafai is faster than Mann.
https://www.dragons.com.au/news/2018/08/18/pereira-opens-the-scoring/

That's exactly what happened. When Luc busted the initial contact, Lafai had to check his run or he would have collided with the 2 defenders who attempted to tackle Luc. It was just good play by both Lafai and Mann to give Luc options and had nothing to do with Mann out sprinting Lafai (even though he obviously would in a foot race). The other impressive thing about the play was that Pereira had taken the hit up 2 plays previously and had the enthusiasm to get back out to his wing and be in a position to support if the ball came his way....and it did....TRY!
 

Como Connection

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Widdop is good at some things but game management and captaincy are not two of them. I dont think Hunt is the sole answer, to me he looks more like a 5/8.

One of the things the team is missing is that player that can steer the team around the park even when things aren't going their way. Even if we had that player there needs to be a rethink from the coaching staff regarding what Widdops role is, he seems to be able to overcall whenever he wants to and this makes it hard for any halves partner trying to direct the team around.
Your missing player is Kurt Mann
CC
 

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