Laurie Daley may not be all that bad

[The Stig]

Hi All,

Definitely a long term listener but first time contributor. I was known as 'Parra Bloke' (at least one of them') on the old Parra site forum.

First of all, to get the gist of the rest of this thread, I am a huge Luke Burt fan and without shame think he should be in the SOO side. While his form last year was fantastic, he has taken it further this year with a fantastic kicking game, especially for a winger.

I was quite impressed in the bulldogs match when he kicked for his on try on the opposite wing. That too me was a bit off (look what I can do from any side of the field) to the selectors in my view.

Next, while in the Country side, he showed up in the halves and put in a kick any half back in the comp would have been proud off. It was at this point that the lights went on that Laurie Daley may have had a little more to do with this to highlight what he is capable of.

Lastly, after the side was announced last night, Daley made it clear quite a few times just how much he thought of Burt and his abilities. I wonder if Daley was voted down because I get the impression he wanted Burt there.

Anyway, I am interested in other peoples thoughts.

Cheers

The Stig

 

[fish eel]

TBH, if they're playing Gidley at fullback, there just isnt a spot for luke burt with morris and hayne on the wing

 

[parra-matters]

but if Hayne is FB, Morris and Burt on the wings, Burt on the left with Tahu.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

There's also the fact that in rep footy you don't have the time to build combinations and assign special roles to certain players who have skillsets outside of their position.

You need players that can just slot into the 'vanilla role' for their position, often ignoring any special skills they might bring to that position simply because there's no room for it in the gameplan.

Phil Gould said something along these lines the other night about Campese - that he brings all these skills to the five-eighth position which allows Canberra to build their entire attack around him, including a halfback that suits Campese's game. Basically Campese is Canberra's halfback, which is good for Canberra but not so good for a rep team who need their halfback to play halfback and their five-eighth to stay on one side of the field.

Another wizard at club level who struggled to fit into rep teams was Cliff Lyon.

Hayne's a similar story albeit he's good enough at the vanilla stuff to be able to play on the wing for the Blues. That's not to say he couldn't play fullback for them (he is the best fullback in the world after all) but even at fulback Hayne wouldn't be allowed to play the same role for NSW as he does for Parra because it would disrupt the Blues' attack too much. If Hayne played that role for the Blues they'd have to structure their entire attack around him (like Parra has), meaning they'd have to find roles for Kimmorley and Lyon. There's just not enough time for that sort of thing in Origin - the teams don't have the benefit of an entire off-season, trials and 26 rounds to get it right. That's why they always play the most basic structure and the simplest game plan.

 

[btaag]

Hayne on the wing is silly, but I see their logic. He does not deserve to be lumped in the ET category of 'play him anywhere'.

Luke Burt would ironically be more likely to play on the wing for Australia than for NSW - there are just too many big boppers in the backs for QLD to play Luke. His form is deserving of a Blue Jersey though.

 

[The Stig]

This size thing keeps coming up on numerous posts and I simply don't get it. Burty was up against the biggest of them all in T-Rex last night and who won that battle? While defence is important, the attacking flair in my opinion is far more important.

4 losing seasons --- maybe time for a change on the size thinking

Brett Hodgson will forever be remembered for being flung like a rag doll by Tallis but he also scored a decisive try that lifted the Blues to a win.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

4 losing seasons --- maybe time for a change on the size thinking

Have you seen Queensland's backs? 4 consecutive series wins.

I love Burty and I wouldn't swap him for anybody at club level. But even though I think he wouldn't be out of place in Origin, I wouldn't pick him ahead of anybody currently in the Blues side.

 

[hineyrulz]

Daley is a clueless Douchebag, and the argument about Hayne not being able to do for NSW what he does for Parra is crap. It didn't stop Kidley getting in the way of Farah and the halves in games I and II last year and stinking up the joint.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Daley is a clueless Douchebag, and the argument about Hayne not being able to do for NSW what he does for Parra is crap. It didn't stop Kidley getting in the way of Farah and the halves in games I and II last year and stinking up the joint.

That's just the point.

Gidley's an excellent player and is very involved for Newcastle, but in Origin he should be playing more of a support role and less trying to control the play from first receiver.

 

[hineyrulz]

That's just the point.

Gidley's an excellent player and is very involved for Newcastle, but in Origin he should be playing more of a support role and less trying to control the play from first receiver.

Gidley is a jack of all trades but a master of none, shouldn't be anywhere near the bench let alone as captain and Fullback. Hayne is a supreme talent that can do anything on a football field. But Gidley tries hard........

 

[Casper The Ghost]

Have you seen Queensland's backs? 4 consecutive series wins.

I love Burty and I wouldn't swap him for anybody at club level. But even though I think he wouldn't be out of place in Origin, I wouldn't pick him ahead of anybody currently in the Blues side.

Kirk Gidley is not a SOO player. He is the weak-link in this NSW SOO1 squad. KG is seriously overrated. Luke Burt should have been picked to play wing along-side Tahu. If Gidley does not play out of his skin and the Blues lose the first match..... out with Gidley, in with Burt for the second game and build the team around Jarryd Hayne's style of game with the focus to building a nucleus of players who will play together for the next 5 to 10 years. Obviously have another game plan to default back to if Hayne gets injured during a game unless there is another player who can step in to fill Jarryd's roll regardless if its diluted.

 

[yy_cheng]

Luke is great in attack but under the bomb and in defense against the big boppas, he'll struggle big time.

T-Rex pushed him away making him go backwards and the dogs had Indris on him off bombs.

His runs from dummy half or hitup runs are next to useless. So he can't relieve the NSW forwards of hitups.

I don't think he deserves the Blues jumper as there are so many wingers or centre cum wingers ahead of him.

Hindy would feel more ripped off than Burt.

Pou pou's post was spot on.

An 80 min Hindy isn't required for the blues as the calibre of SOO players means that their defense is more than up to scratch and there is no need for Hindy to make 50 tackles to cover lazier defenders at club level.

BUrt is going great guns for us but a sky blue jumper? I think not.

 

[TheParraboy]

Hazem Elmasri played origin, Blues won that game

 

[TheParraboy]

 

[codger]

Hi All,

Definitely a long term listener but first time contributor. I was known as 'Parra Bloke' (at least one of them') on the old Parra site forum.

First of all, to get the gist of the rest of this thread, I am a huge Luke Burt fan and without shame think he should be in the SOO side. While his form last year was fantastic, he has taken it further this year with a fantastic kicking game, especially for a winger.

I was quite impressed in the bulldogs match when he kicked for his on try on the opposite wing. That too me was a bit off (look what I can do from any side of the field) to the selectors in my view.

Next, while in the Country side, he showed up in the halves and put in a kick any half back in the comp would have been proud off. It was at this point that the lights went on that Laurie Daley may have had a little more to do with this to highlight what he is capable of.

Lastly, after the side was announced last night, Daley made it clear quite a few times just how much he thought of Burt and his abilities. I wonder if Daley was voted down because I get the impression he wanted Burt there.

Anyway, I am interested in other peoples thoughts.

Cheers

The Stig

My thoughts are Daley is a knob who might be correct for once in liking Burty

 

[yy_cheng]

tackling him without the ball?

Seriously, Burt is not that good a defender.

 

[cgee221]

tackling him without the ball?

Seriously, Burt is not that good a defender.

If I remember correctly, that was round 1 2006 and he crunched Johns and made him spill the ball?

 

[spartan2153]

Luke is great in attack but under the bomb and in defense against the big boppas, he'll struggle big time.

T-Rex pushed him away making him go backwards and the dogs had Indris on him off bombs.

His runs from dummy half or hitup runs are next to useless. So he can't relieve the NSW forwards of hitups.

I don't think he deserves the Blues jumper as there are so many wingers or centre cum wingers ahead of him.

Hindy would feel more ripped off than Burt.

Pou pou's post was spot on.

An 80 min Hindy isn't required for the blues as the calibre of SOO players means that their defense is more than up to scratch and there is no need for Hindy to make 50 tackles to cover lazier defenders at club level.

BUrt is going great guns for us but a sky blue jumper? I think not.

Spot on. Burt cant tackle. He is only a pure finisher. He averages like 35 metres in hit ups. For a winger thats wuiet embarrassing to be honest. Putting him in state of origin he will get trampled just like turner did last year

 

[Eelementary]

What I don't get is this: on NRL on Fox they were discussing what to do if Idris was chosen in the centres. The panel unanimously agreed that they needed to put an experienced winger outside him. They suggested Morris or Tahu, but ignored Burty.

Why? Best winger in the game IMO.

 

[Eelementary]

Why do wingers score so many tries? Because they are marking up against other wingers.

Ffs this "size is all important" argument and " Burt can't defend" logic is baloney. You going to tell me Grothe (whom I love btw) is a better winger than Burt?

It's a team game. If Tahu was inside Burty, he'd look after him like he does for Parra. And the Tahu-Burt combination is lethal, in attack and defence.

Burt for Origin? Yes.