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Pika

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Props have a greater responsibility then meters gained.

Tolars work in defence is excellent.
 

Pika

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50/50 really.

Props make yards in the middle, props defend in the middle.

A prop who makes an extra meter every hit up yet concedes one evert tackle is no better than a prop who makes a meter less but gains a meter in defence.
 

Johns Magic

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50/50 really.

Props make yards in the middle, props defend in the middle.

A prop who makes an extra meter every hit up yet concedes one evert tackle is no better than a prop who makes a meter less but gains a meter in defence.

I think NRL props should be able to defend and make metres.

You wouldn't find any rep prop worth his salt who averages 80 metres a game.
 

Pika

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Agree with that.

They are not that coomon though.

Cross when fit and Faas are our only two really.
 

BG

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Sorry, a starting front-rower that averages 80 metres a game over a whole season is dead average to me.

White showed no signs of doing any better. He played 6 NRL games in '08 and the only 2 in which he made really good metres in were against Rabbits and Eels. The opposition were very poor in both those games, and with Cross and Royal out, White was always taking the first hit up which helped ramp his yards up. But sure, he ran with vigour in those games.

However, let's look at the only two games in which White and Royal both played together. These comprised the last two rounds against the quality opposition of Storm and Broncos.

Against Storm, White played 48min for 95m; Royal played a mere 22min for 81m.
Against Broncos, they both played 33min. Whites total runs were a pathetic 50m, Royal 84m.


Obviously neither Royal nor White are going to do for a team what Steve Price does. For one thing neither of them plays big minutes. It's hard to compare stats when White played so few games, so it comes down to personal observation and imho Royal advances the ball at least as effectively as White (obviously you see things differently; I guess it depends what one watches for), and is a far more skillful footballer. Thus I rate him higher.
 
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Bring it home Knights

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I would have kept Royal. His 2nd phase play is great. Having him and Tolar doing offloads would have created extra try scoring possibilities.
 

perverse

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i would have kept either tbh.. but at least have kept one of them. royal had certainly developed a very astute offload.. and white certainly had good go-forward. one thing that must also but under consideration is that both were playing their absolute arses off as they were trying to earn a contract. i don't think you'll see much better from either of them than what they offered last year. white is a no-frills, no-nonsense type hitup prop.. and royal is a decent ballplayer when he hits the line, and gets through a bit of work kinda guy.
 

Pika

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The big thing about White was how young he was and how he rarely got injured.

The guy looked 38, but he was only in his early 20's.

Plenty of time to develop his skill sets and turn him into a top notch front rower.

He was our only genuine 'big' prop, fit and ready to go at 115-117 without lifting a weight.
 

macavity

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The big thing about White was how young he was and how he rarely got injured.

The guy looked 38, but he was only in his early 20's.

Plenty of time to develop his skill sets and turn him into a top notch front rower.

He was our only genuine 'big' prop, fit and ready to go at 115-117 without lifting a weight.

he will go well for the tits.

the fact they have him starting in his first game says a lot.

couldn't we have punted Wicks instead....
 

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