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League Unlimited's Favourite Wrestler of All Time

Discussion in 'Pro Wrestling' started by Misanthrope, Dec 18, 2019.

  1. Misanthrope

    Misanthrope Moderator Staff Member

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    It has been a while between drinks, but I thought I'd resurrect an old LU favourite.

    How it Works

    PM me your list of your 15-30 favourite wrestlers in ascending order. This means #1 is your favourite and so on.

    I'll then calculate the winner and do a write-up of the top 50, 30, or 20 (dependent on the number of entries).

    You can also post your votes below, but that'll take some of the mystery out of it.
     
  2. Misanthrope

    Misanthrope Moderator Staff Member

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    Four in so far! Keep it up!
     
  3. Scott Gourley's Lovechild

    Scott Gourley's Lovechild Referee

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    Just use mine from the other joint...
     
  4. Misanthrope

    Misanthrope Moderator Staff Member

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    I already have. Got Eele's from here and about 3-4 others from FFM.
     
  5. Manurewa_Marlins

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    Yeah use my old one too mate
     
  6. Misanthrope

    Misanthrope Moderator Staff Member

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    Not sure I still have your old one. My inbox seems to have emptied itself over the years.
     
  7. Scott Gourley's Lovechild

    Scott Gourley's Lovechild Referee

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    Can we do one in January for our favourites of 2019 please Mr 50Shades?
     
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    Misanthrope Moderator Staff Member

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    Sure! Assuming this one gets enough votes to warrant a countdown haha
     
  9. Misanthrope

    Misanthrope Moderator Staff Member

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    I'll give this one until January 10th when I get settled into my new apartment in Tbilisi.

    Let's get some votes rolling in, lads!
     
  10. The Vaulting Violinist

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    That was really hard

    I did notice that there’s lots of big names I couldn’t find a place for in my list due to me not quite giving enough of a f**k. Respect what they did in the business but never floated my boat enough - e.g. stone cold, Shawn Michaels, Hogan, edge, goldberg, Kane, HHH, Cena, angle, lesnar, orton, batista, nash
     
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    Valheru First Grade

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    It is favourites as opposed to best ever so to each their own but if you are leaving out Ric Flair and Steve Austin you are a hard man to please.
     
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    I respect what both did but I was a WCW mark so never liked Austin during the height of the Monday night wars as a kid.

    for flair, was first exposed to him at the same time and he was past it by then, so never really believed him as a credible wrestler. Looking back I have tremendous respect for his work in the 80s but let’s face it, by 1997 he was on the slide
     
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    No Goldberg, Edge, Kane, HHH, Lesnar, Orton, Batista or Nash on my list. Nash was the only one who came close but only on account of his connection with the NWO.
     
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    Cannot remember what I put, but I think @Misanthrope has abandoned us...
     
  16. Big Pete

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    Sent my list.

    I placed a heavy emphasis on the past decade. While I have a lot of respect and admiration for guys like Ric Flair, Bret Hart, Steve Austin etc. their careers were winding down when I was becoming a fan.

    The biggest challenge I had was dealing with the Benoit situation. He was my favourite in-ring performer of all-time but for the sake of avoiding a headache I decided to disqualify him from the list. He would have been an easy top five pick otherwise, and felt deducting him 20 spots would have been silly.
     
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    I will send mine through soon.

    I would be quite interested to see what differences a best workers of all time list has opposed to a favourites of all time and if people could separate the two.

    Number one on my list for example would probably just scrape in to the top 10 of best workers IMO.
     
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    There's a wrestling forum that goes by Pro Wrestling Only where they attempted to decide this. They gathered up all the available footage, all the voters committed to watch as much as they could and they engaged in a lot of long form debates to determine criteria and where everyone should land.

    It looked like this.

    1: Ric Flair
    2: Terry Funk
    3: Stan Hansen
    4: Mitsuharu Misawa
    5: Daniel Bryan
    6: Jushin Liger
    7: Rey Mysterio Jr.
    8: Kenta Kobashi
    9: Toshiaki Kawada
    10: Jerry Lawler
    11: Jumbo Tsuruta
    12: Eddie Guerrero
    13: Genichiro Tenryu
    14: Vader
    15: Ricky Steamboat
    16: Nick Bockwinkel
    17: Bret Hart
    18: Randy Savage
    19: Arn Anderson
    20: Tatsumi Fujinami
    21: William Regal
    22: Negro Casas
    23: Shinya Hashimoto
    24: Steve Austin
    25: Barry Windham
    26: Akira Taue
    27: Jun Akiyama
    28: Bobby Eaton
    29: El Hijo del Santo
    30: John Cena
    31: Shawn Michaels
    32: Dustin Rhodes
    33: Ricky Morton
    34: Chris Benoit
    35: El Dandy
    36: Buddy Rose
    37: El Satanico
    38: Mick Foley
    39: AJ Styles
    40: Yoshiaki Fujiwara
    41: Riki Choshu
    42: Ted DiBiase
    43: Rick Martel
    44: Tully Blanchard
    45: Harley Race
    46: CM Punk
    47: Brock Lesnar
    48: Fit Finlay
    49: Aja Kong
    50: Billy Robinson
    51: Andre The Giant
    52: Akira Hokuto
    53: Dick Murdoch
    54: Greg Valentine
    55: Curt Hennig
    56: Jim Breaks
    57: Bill Dundee
    58: Owen Hart
    59: Samoa Joe
    60: Volk Han
    61: Bull Nakano
    62: Kiyoshi Tamura
    63: Giant Baba
    64: Sgt. Slaughter
    65: Shinjiro Ohtani
    66: Keiji Mutoh
    67: Jack Brisco
    68: Kurt Angle
    69: Blue Panther
    70: Yuki Ishikawa
    71: Dick Togo
    72: Brian Pillman
    73: Chris Jericho
    74: Atlantis
    75: Hulk Hogan
    76: Hiroshi Hase
    77: Rick Rude
    78: Dynamite Kid
    79: Terry Gordy
    80: Tito Santana
    81: Yoshihiro Tajiri
    82: Steve Williams
    83: Roddy Piper
    84: The Undertaker
    85: Manami Toyota
    86: Hiroshi Tanahashi
    87: Cesaro
    88: Sami Zayn
    89: Atsushi Onita
    90: Ron Garvin
    91: Too Cold Scorpio
    92: Dusty Rhodes
    93: Bob Backlund
    94: Shinsuke Nakamura
    95: Sangre Chicana
    96: L.A. Park
    97: The Destroyer
    98: Kerry Von Erich
    99: Virus
    100: Daisuke Ikeda
     
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    Wow, that's quite the project.

    What do you think of the list?

    I know less than nothing about Japanese wrestling so can't comment there. Other then that a few things jump out.

    Mysterio at 7 - I don't see any way he is the 7th best worker of all time.

    Steve Austin seems to low at 24 for me.

    Interested to see what the criteria was as well, whether it was purely in ring work. If not and they considered mic skills, box office etc. then Hogan is way higher and rock has to be on the list.
     
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    It was purely based on their in-ring performance and it was universally judged on the number of quality matches, how effective they were at their role whether it was babyface or heel, longevity, ability to get over in various promotions, selling, offense etc.

    With Rey they basically had his entire career on tape from 1989 - 2016 and they enjoyed how versatile he was. He could adapt in any environment he was in, whether it was Mexico, Japan, ECW, WCW, WWE and even back to the indies.

    Meanwhile Austin missed a lot of time due to injuries and even when he came back had to adjust his style to take less bumps. Considering the obvious drawbacks, he actually did really well in that company to rank as highly as he did.

    With Hogan, while he couldn't hope to touch the top performers of all-time he was extremely effective at working his own style of match and his efforts against guys like the Warrior demonstrated how sound his psychology was. He also showed in Japan that he could adapt to the environment. While the Hollywood Hogan era delivered some of his worst outings, the fact he was able to go from the biggest babyface to the biggest heel was another tick.

    I forget what happened to The Rock. I think it was a case where he was put head to head with Hogan, and because Hogan had more runs on the board, The Rock just didn't get enough votes. He was one of those guys who was said to appear on a lot of lists lower down in the 70s, 80s and 90s which cost him. Basically they didn't see him as a good worker until the 2000s and even then a lot of his matches were plagued by interference. Personally I don't see how you can watch Hogan vs. The Rock at Wrestlemania 18 and not find a place for him. He's certainly on my list.
     

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