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Lega IRFL - what recognition in Italy means

CQ Italia

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Lega IRFL No Longer Rebels

After many years of words, the doubts are finally gone. The world of international rugby league calling for clarity on FIRL (federation that was in the RLWC 2013) and FIRFL (federation with the largest number of participants and most present on the Italian territory), has been satisfied.

The Firfl, in fact, since last April 15 has officially become Lega IRFL Irfl and was recognized by the Italian Rugby Federation (FIR) and then by CONI (English: Italian National Olympic Committee), along the same lines as rugby sevens (7 a-side) and beach rugby, under the support of the FIR, officially conducts rugby activity, defined as he code (game) of rugby league (Rugby a XIII).

This has historical and statistical implications: the Lega IRFL is the first rugby league movement recognised in Italy in history, the first rugby league federation in partnership with a major rugby union federation (the Fir, in fact), and the second of the world's rugby league recognized by IOC (Norge Rugby League is under Norge Rugby Bond, while South Africa Rugby League is going through the same process as Lega IRFL with SARU and SASOC).

This will have important operational aspects, regarding the possibility for clubs and rugby union players (77k in Italy), to be able to play in the in the newly formed championship ‘Lega’ (and finally in the only official Italian national rugby league body in the country) with full insurance coverage and with the approval of the FIR. The insurance coverage of the players will be the same given to the clubs and players in rugby union. It is inevitable that this will be a driving force for a movement that, compared to other recognized specialties, will help at least on some technical and tactical aspects rugby union, as is already being done in the most major rugby union bodies.

"We are really proud and happy for this recognition - said the Lega IRFL General Secretary Pierluigi Gentile - especially because for years we were given false information about us from other pseudo reality. It's funny now to think that we were called "rebels" for years and now instead, finally, a kind of justice has stated that the "rebels” are the others. Over five years ago we took our way for two important reasons: because we always thought fundamental right and relate in a serene and constructive dialogue with the Fir from which we come and we thank them, and then because we are Italians and , in our view , it was right that the our National was the expression of a movement created in the territory .Six years ago we took our way for two important reasons: because we have always thought fundamentally and to relate calmly and constructively with the Fir, from which we all come and given thanks to them and then because we are Italians and, in our opinion, it was right that our national team was the expression of a movement created in the territory. It is too simple to call players only for a world cup (and qualifiers), when there are guys for years who play, sweat and struggle in your championships. As long as I do, we will never leave them out. I have nothing against the heritage player, rather they are a help, but we need these same players in the first place to play in our championship, that actually help to improve the level and, in doing so, will certainly be part of our national teams. The hope now - says Gentile - is that the European institutions do not block our development, as was the case until recently, using the pretext that we were not recognized. We are now recognized and we hope, as already happened in London, at Westminster (the movement thanks to the Member of Parliament, Greg Mulholland MP), of being welcomed and listened to. We want the national teams or foreign clubs that can finally as many times there has been requested, to confront us, to allow us to improve and grow again."

An inevitable thanks, at this point of the growth of Italian Rugby League: “A special thanks goes to all the Fir and in particular, the attorney Nino Sacca and President Alfredo Gavazzi who have ferried, following the directions given to us by the CONI president Malagò. I would like to thank all those who contributed to our movement from the beginning, and even those who have supported us over the years, but unfortunately some have chosen other roads. I hope that finally, who manages the few clubs in the other pseudo association, does not prevent their guys to play in a championship that is finally recognized. Now players can stay calmly, under a legal profile and insurance, to play the game of rugby league in Ital . I invite them - concludes Gentile - to act in the interest of their players and rugby league and we will welcome them with open arms.
 
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CQ Italia

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insurance for players - check
PRO rugby players (or any player really) more likely to play RL now - check
Lega IRFL under CONI and IOC - check
Lega IRFL open to any other RL player or club to join - check
a lot greater funding - check
 

miguel de cervantes

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That's all good, the only worry is whether or not the arrangement is permanent or temporary. It sets a dangerous precedent if more and more league bodies are forced to come under a union structure and can't escape it later on. I can well imagine that it would suit World Rugby to a tee that league becomes a sub category of rugby union, like rugby 7s or beach rugby.
 

paulmac

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cq - You should have a listen to what Mascord says about this on the full 80 podcast.Even though I think the rebels have done more in Italy for RL this is a bad move.
 

miguel de cervantes

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I disagree with Mascord to some extent. I don't think he fully understands the relationship between union and league in Italy, and I don't think it is really anything like what is occuring in the UAE or has occured in Morocco or South Africa. Morroco and the UAE are quite similar cases, South Africa is somewhere in the middle. In Italy the relationship between the codes is quite reasonable as far as I understand and I think league has already gained a hell of a lot more than union from the collaboration.

I do agree with him regarding the Lega IRFL doing it out of spite with regards to the official body, I certainly hope this is not the case. Then again, if the Lega saw an opportunity to advance the cause and they believe this is the right way to go then you can't really blame them for doing it - provided it is seen as a temporary thing.

This said, who is to say that a single governing body couldn't govern all rugbies in a single country? To us it may seem strange, but to some places it would appear to be quite normal and logistically sensible. If one body can govern 15s and 7s, why not 13s as well? As long as they are fully independant and without bias...
 
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CQ Italia

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I disagree with Mascord to some extent. I don't think he fully understands the relationship between union and league in Italy, and I don't think it is really anything like what is occuring in the UAE or has occured in Morocco or South Africa. Morroco and the UAE are quite similar cases, South Africa is somewhere in the middle. In Italy the relationship between the codes is quite reasonable as far as I understand and I think league has already gained a hell of a lot more than union from the collaboration.

I do agree with him regarding the Lega IRFL doing it out of spite with regards to the official body, I certainly hope this is not the case. Then again, if the Lega saw an opportunity to advance the cause and they believe this is the right way to go then you can't really blame them for doing it - provided it is seen as a temporary thing.

This said, who is to say that a single governing body couldn't govern all rugbies in a single country? To us it may seem strange, but to some places it would appear to be quite normal and logistically sensible. If one body can govern 15s and 7s, why not 13s as well? As long as they are fully independant and without bias...

FIRL were looking into the same deal at the same time but declined

http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/...-the-rugby-codes-in-italy-20131113-2xhmp.html

What some may not realise is Lega IRFL is still its own association. Nothing was done out of spite only to grow/boost the movement

When Lega has 30 teams in the championship, perhaps officials will listen.
 

deal.with.it

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My question is whether IRFL can leave IRU in the future if they want to, without losing assets or facing legal battle?
 

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Surely David Collier cannot sit around and allow this to happen.

He has to send a directive to all League or Wanna be League federations that any affiliation with Rugby Union will result in that federation banned and its officers also facing a ban.

He then needs to write to World Rugby and ask them to instructed all of their international union from bringing any league federation under their umbrella
 

Bronco Rob

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This said, who is to say that a single governing body couldn't govern all rugbies in a single country? To us it may seem strange, but to some places it would appear to be quite normal and logistically sensible. If one body can govern 15s and 7s, why not 13s as well? As long as they are fully independant and without bias...

That's the key Miguel, as long as they have complete independence and players are not banned if they participate in any RLIF-sanctioned RL tournament.

While its not ideal I am prepared to wait and see what transpires before hyperventilating about the decision to team up with RU. I'm sure those who have made this decision have more intimate knowledge of the advantages and disadvantages of the arrangement than us on here.

A good journalist would have surely have made some sort of contact to attain the facts and circumstances with the association before making any critique on the situation.
 

ULYSSES

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If the game was not Rugby League Football BUT League Football then the issue of being subordinate to RUGBY would not arise. Emerging areas think there is only one RUGBY. Strewth, it is hard enough to explain to VICS, South Australians etc, how are people in countries that do not speak English going to understand? Even the Yanks are asking Hayne if he has played the ALL BLACKS.
Just as League in Australia includes touch players in promoting it's numbers and reach the IRFU will include the 13's players in it's numbers. League will find it very difficult to form an identity in Italy unless it promotes itself with a recognizable and individual identity.
 
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Bronco Rob

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If the game was not Rugby League Football BUT League Football then the issue of being subordinate to RUGBY would not arise. Emerging areas think there is only one RUGBY. Strewth, it is hard enough to explain to VICS, South Australians etc, how are people in countries that do not speak English going to understand? Even the Yanks are asking Hayne if he has played the ALL BLACKS.
Just as League in Australia includes touch players in promoting it's numbers and reach the IRFU will include the 13's players in it's numbers. League will find it very difficult to form an identity in Italy unless it promotes itself with a recognizable and individual identity.

I agree mate, I've been an advocate for years to look at a name change, we need to differentiate the 2 and we then wouldn't have this continuing issue of using the word 'rugby'. A name change doesn't mean we instantly lose our history.
 

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^ Agreed. 'League Football' is the way. I'm extremely sceptical about any sort of affiliation with RU and to me this is a troubling and uncomfortable turn of events. 'Rugby' is not a sport and to see RL listed as some sort of subset of RU alongside beach rugby and sevens is pretty alarming. Fundamentally the FIRFL shouldn't have been able to do this and I feel like it's going to lead to an even more sticky situation in the future.

With regards to the OP, the FIRFL are still rebels until they are recognized by the RLIF and relevant bodies.
 

ULYSSES

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It's great that League is trying to expand in Italy and other places, but if it is confusing to distinguish between the two codes now, then how much more so after the Olympics next year. The sooner it is League Football the better. Look at Baseball and Softball. The games are similar but I have never met anyone that was confused as to which was which. It is not the similarities in the game that causes confusion it is the similarities in the name.
 

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RLIF statement:
The Rugby League International Federation has issued the following statement concerning Italian rugby league:

“On 14 April 2015 the Italian rugby union (FIR) issued its communique ‘no. 7’ which indicated that an association named Lega Italia Rugby Football League (LIRFL) has been appointed to administer rugby league and rugby league 9s under the aegis of FIR.

“The RLIF categorically rejects any infringement on the sovereignty of rugby league and consequently considers FIR’s action to be illegitimate. The RLIF has sole responsibility for setting rugby league’s universal standards, laws, regulations and practices, which are disseminated through its regional confederations and members. In Italy the sole legitimate authority for rugby league is the Federazione Italiana Rugby League.

“FIR has no jurisdiction over rugby league and the RLIF has written to the Italian Olympic Committee (CONI), FIR and World Rugby to confirm these facts. The body known as LIRFL is a rugby union entity without legitimacy, authority or credibility in the rugby league community.”
http://www.rlef.eu.com/news/article/1051/rlif-statement-on-italian-rugby
 

miguel de cervantes

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Well, well, well. That last line is debatable, calling the LIRFL a rugby union entity, and I am sure CQItalia will deny this. There is a lot of work and cross promotion with union but it can be argued that at some point a line must be drawn. Otherwise eventually it is highly likely that the LIRFL and the FIR may become so intertwined as to render a separation impossible and even give some legal weight to FIR simply taking over the reigns, at least in the eyes of CONI. Perhaps this is what the RLIF is afraid of down the track and feels it is simpler and cheaper now to nip the whole thing in the bud. Perhaps they feel they need to set a strong precedent for use in Morocco, South Africa and the UAE.

They should at the very least be making a large effort

(a) to get the LIRFL on side and promote a merger.
(b) to help in getting CONI recognition, though they may be waiting for SportsAccord before attempting this

You just feel the s**t is going to hit the fan as usual and like in the US going to hold the movement back another decade or so. Then again, nothing prevents the two federazioni continuing as usual developing league - it just means the LIRFL know they don't and won't ever have legitimacy. If they continue none the less then all the power to them.
 
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CQ Italia

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Well, well, well. That last line is debatable, calling the LIRFL a rugby union entity, and I am sure CQItalia will deny this. There is a lot of work and cross promotion with union but it can be argued that at some point a line must be drawn. Otherwise eventually it is highly likely that the LIRFL and the FIR may become so intertwined as to render a separation impossible and even give some legal weight to FIR simply taking over the reigns. Perhaps this is what the RLIF is afraid of down the track and feels it is simpler and cheaper now to nip the whole thing in the bud. OK, if they want to do this, but they should at least be making a large effort to get the LIRFL on side and promote a merger. I can only imagine that if they aren't willing to do this they must really believe that the LIRFL does not have the interests of league at heart, which is a real shame.

You just feel the s**t is going to hit the fan as usual and like in the US going to hold the movement back another decade or so.
Well lega irfl will still have a separate board and executives

I agree shouldn't the new RLIF ceo be talking with both federations and trying to put both feds together? He hasn't got both sides stories only the one from the RLEF.

"Rugby union entity" is just.... do the rlef realize FIRL has ru or dual code clubs or teams connected to Run clubs and ALL dual code players also? I'll be coaching and playing rugby LEAGUE in Sicily from May 18 onward not RU (just arrived in Italy 2 days ago)

Norge RL are under Norge RB for NOC recognition. Sarl are looking yo do the same at last notice. But nothing is said there?
 

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Yeah, the "RU entity" line was strange considering a lot of recognized nations have at least some RU influence. I agree with the sentiment of the overall statement though. The FIR shouldn't have any say at all in the running of RL, and I feel like by affiliating with them the LIRFL may have damaged their chances in terms of future reunification.
 
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