Legacy of the 'big 3'

[TheVelourFog]

I have no issue with the stripping of the premierships.

Yeah we won the games on the day, but they mean nothing now. I refuse to watch when the games are replayed on Fox, and haven't taken the dvds out of the case since 2010.

As far as I'm concerned those games never happened, except for the trolling that can be done by pointing out that we have won 4 grand finals instead of 2.

so instead we have to pretend that there was no winner on the day

the situation is ridiculous

a salary cap penalty for the next few years, or starting the next season with a points penalty would have been more sensible

 

[isaiah]

Thankfully their legacy isn't all in club footy...

Exactly. Great records and achievements for Qld and Australia.

 

[Generalzod]

Just call them the Queensland Storm....Seriously New limited has spent millions of dollars on the team it was inevitable that Rugby League had to succeed in Melbourne how else can you explain why they have been in so many Grand Finals,..What other teams other than the Broncos had that kinda funding. It's not a level playing field.

 

[AlwaysGreen]

Poor storm fans. Its so unfair.

 

[AlwaysGreen]

Melbourne cheated, got caught and got punished, fair enough

the only thing I have a problem with is the stripping of Premierships

everyone knows they won on the day and the dickheads who go on about 'Melbourne only won 2' whenever it comes up are tiresome

So they get to keep their premierships.

That will certainly be a deterrent to them and other teams cheating the cap again.

 

[TheVelourFog]

So they get to keep their premierships.

That will certainly be a deterrent to them and other teams cheating the cap again.

It certainly stopped Parra cheating job well done

 

[AlwaysGreen]

It certainly stopped Parra cheating job well done

Parra became the one club caught in the next 6 years. If Melbourne had been allowed to keep their ill gotten premierships it wiild have been a free for all and teams like the cowboys wouldn't have got close to winning a premiership.

 

[TheVelourFog]

Parra became the one club caught in the next 6 years. If Melbourne had been allowed to keep their ill gotten premierships it wiild have been a free for all and teams like the cowboys wouldn't have got close to winning a premiership.

i don't care if Melbourne were allowed to keep the trophies or not

my point is that pretending they didn't turn up and beat Manly and Parra on the day is ridiculous

the penalties i suggested would have punished the Storm without reducing two seasons into complete farce

 

[AlwaysGreen]

No one is pretending that they didn't beat manly or parra. The fact remains they did so with illegally compiled teams.
An asterisk in 2007 and 2009 shows in prosperity that the storm cheated.

 

[The_Shield]

No one is pretending that they didn't beat manly or parra. The fact remains they did so with illegally compiled teams.
An asterisk in 2007 and 2009 shows in prosperity that the storm cheated.

Actually Haynetrain is pretending parra beat Melbourne in 09. Trolling yes but still claiming Hayne is a gf winner.

 

[TheVelourFog]

No one is pretending that they didn't beat manly or parra. The fact remains they did so with illegally compiled teams.
An asterisk in 2007 and 2009 shows in prosperity that the storm cheated.

i'm just sick of hearing about it

any time anything remotely related is mentioned on here the thread nosedives into shit

 

[Pete Cash]

It sends a message to brutal to ignore. If it wrecks a club, that's the warning to all the rest.

Don't cheat.

I'm saying the nrl couldn't legally just void contracts

I also don't think the nrl could ban the storm from signing Smith.

 

[sensesmaybenumbed]

I'm saying the nrl couldn't legally just void contracts

I also don't think the nrl could ban the storm from signing Smith.

It's legally a minefield with virtually no chance of being defend-able in court, but it's still the deserved punishment. Cheat to get all these things?

End up with nothing. The message is the right one.

 

[ANTiLAG]

I'm saying the nrl couldn't legally just void contracts

I also don't think the nrl could ban the storm from signing Smith.

The NRL can refuse to register a contract and deregister a player from playing. Foran (moved to Warriors to get NRL approval to register as a player after his issues surfaced at Parra) and Carney spring to mind. Seymour and a few more Sharks players come to mind.

But where a player hasn't brought the game into disrepute, you're right to acknowledge the legal minefield that the NRL could face.

 

[ANTiLAG]

It's legally a minefield with virtually no chance of being defend-able in court, but it's still the deserved punishment. Cheat to get all these things?

End up with nothing. The message is the right one.

Like you wouldn't complain when Brisbane or the Tits got the players for a fraction of what the Storm still had to pay them. You'd just be creating more and increaesed cap inequality.

I think the Owners of the Storm and all Clubs facing this possibility may have something to say about the destruction of the value of their business run by directors in addition to standard NRL sanctions.

Your suggested punishment may work in North Korea or Iran though.

There's also nuthin novel about the Storm spine.

Canbera had SWalters, Stuart, Daley with Belcher/Mullins and stars throughout the rest of the team.

Bris had K Walters, Langer, KevWalters and Hauff/ONiell/Lockyer and stars thoughout.

Manly had Hasler/Lyons/Toovey and Ridge and stars throughout.

Roosters had Wing/Finch/Freddy/Mini and stars throughout.

Ya'll act like its never been done before.

 

[sensesmaybenumbed]

Like you wouldn't complain when Brisbane or the Tits got the players for a fraction of what the Storm still had to pay them. You'd just be creating more and increaesed cap inequality.

I think the Owners of the Storm and all Clubs facing this possibility may have something to say about the destruction of the value of their business run by directors in addition to standard NRL sanctions.

Your suggested punishment may work in North Korea or Iran though.

There is no ideal punishment. The severity should match the scope and also act a a deterrent in future to other clubs.

 

[ANTiLAG]

There is no ideal punishment. The severity should match the scope and also act a a deterrent in future to other clubs.

Well the retribution was more than met met by stripping all that was won off them, ending their 2010 season, offloading GI, and fines.

Maybe they should have had the entire team and coaching staff in a stockade on a Sydney pitch for rival fans to throw stones at them. I bet they'd nominate a Roosters home game.

 

[sensesmaybenumbed]

Well the retribution was more than met met by stripping all that was won off them, ending their 2010 season, offloading GI, and fines.

Maybe they should have had the entire team and coaching staff in a stockade on a Sydney pitch for rival fans to throw stones at them. I bet they'd nominate a Roosters home game.

They've had continued success on the back of players that were retained using payment vastly in excess of the salary cap. I think that's wrong, and that counts for nothing - but that's still what I and plenty of others see as a fair punishment.

 

[Perth Red]

There is no ideal punishment. The severity should match the scope and also act a a deterrent in future to other clubs.

With no fear of relegation there is no real punishment that would legally stand up that is a deterrent. Storm were dealt with about as harsh as you can get, and Eels had a go anyways.

Now looking at the slap on the wrist for Sharks and Manly's possible alleged rumoured avoidance all together, systemic doping of your players seems a lighter punishable way of cheating in the NRL.

 

[WaznTheGreat]

4 Grand Final losses for the Plod 3,hopefully number 5 this weekend