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Les Murray - expert on "Rugby League culture"

macavity

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Ryall case not part of a pattern

Les Murray
Wednesday, May 20, 2009

The Sebastian Ryall affair has apparently energised some apologists for the endemic sleaze that infects the sport of rugby league, swaying them to suggest that the sordidness is present in all football codes, including soccer.

They are barking up a wrong tree.

The FFA acted swiftly in applying sanctions to Ryall who, according to the letter of the FFA’s code of behaviour, was appropriately dealt with for being the subject of a criminal charge.

This is not to suggest that the FFA action was morally just, given that the charges are yet to be heard and that the player must be deemed to be innocent until proven otherwise. But Ryall, like any other contracted player affiliated to the FFA, has signed certain documents agreeing to a code of behaviour and, however odd or bizarre paragraphs of that code might be, that is why the FFA felt justified in taking the action.

The Ryall revelations came just days after the ABC’s Four Corners exposé of a catalogue of incidents which indict rugby league as a sport infested by a culture of booze-fueled infatuation with manhood, manifest in the cowardly mistreatment of defenceless women.

Despite the wishful thinking of some, the anecdotal evidence stretching back many years suggests that this malady is pretty much the domain of rugby league, at least in this country. I feel for my friends who are rugby league fans – and I do have some – and in particular for the NRL’s chief executive, David Gallop, a very decent man.

Gallop’s task in keeping his sport clean of this Neanderthal behaviour is thankless and just about impossible in the short term. I wonder why he hangs in.

The problem is cultural and is apparently unique to Australia. Such sick behaviour, and I refer in particular to mob sex, is rare if not unheard of in most other countries.

I have no doubt that the majority of rugby league players are decent people. But it is only rugby league which appears to attract a certain breed of men, whose rippling biceps camouflage an inner weakness and an inadequacy which in turn prescribes a need to get blotto, with the mates, before the insecurities are numbed and the strength is attained to make liaison with a woman, usually with physical aggression and preferably collectively.

The fact that the recipient of such advances is a woman willingly excited by the prospect of intimacy with men of fame, is inviting it and is even prepared to brag about it, does not make such behaviour by the men right or acceptable.

The 19-year old woman in Christchurch seven years ago was evidently dumb, naïve and prone to recklessly exposing herself to all manner of dangers. The men, who were all grownups, should have had the sense and the decency to back off, tell her to keep her knickers on and walk away.

Not doing that was their big mistake. And I fear others in the sport, who still believe that what happened in Christchurch was somehow ok, will go on making that mistake so long as the lethal cocktail of booze, testosterone and a small brain rule their instincts.

Happily this is not widespread, at least not to the degree where other sports by deduction may be automatically implicated. The historical and anecdotal evidence is simply not there to suggest that all team sports primarily played by men are prone to this kind of sick behaviour.

Football has had its share of sex scandals of course, from Sven-Goran Eriksson bonking the boss’ secretary to Ronaldo’s ill-fated frolic with three prostitutes who turned out to be men.

But the Sebastian Ryall case is not part of any pattern, or a matter to which one can point and suggest that it’s indicative of a broader football malady.

Football, though not exactly a sport played by choir boys, is simply a very different culture to rugby league. The need to booze after training as a form of bonding and collectively go on the prowl for sex is simply not part of football, nor of most sports, and to suggest otherwise is to make mischief.

On another matter, cracks are beginning to appear in the strong bond that has existed for over a decade between Arsene Wenger and the Arsenal fans.

Is this a sign that Wenger is finally ready to exit the club where he has been since 1996 and which he completely re-fashioned in his own image?

Is there something in the rumours that Real Madrid has been calling?

My view is that he won’t leave but Wenger at Real Madrid is none the less a fascinating thought. Given the traditional belief by Madrid’s fans, and its soon to return president, Florentino Perez, that the club should always play football of elegance and eloquence, you could say Wenger would be a perfect fit.

There is no question that the on-field class, for which Madrid has been known for many decades, and at which it has recently been eclipsed by Barcelona, would return under Wenger. And he’d have a recruiting cheque book he doesn’t have at Arsenal.

The big question is could he live with a controlling board and the interference from above which are not part of his current existence.

http://theworldgame.sbs.com.au/print.php/ryall-case-not-part-of-a-pattern-188883

WTF?? :?
 

Dragon

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The problem is cultural and is apparently unique to Australia. Such sick behaviour, and I refer in particular to mob sex, is rare if not unheard of in most other countries.

lolwut
 

t-ba

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LoL.

Is he honestly suggesting that group sex culture in sports is confined purely to Australia?

That's a good one...
 

Ziggy the God

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Les is fantastic, but I think he must have fallen over and hit his head.

Either that or he is getting senile in his old age.

Pathetic article.
 

t-ba

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Does hooliganism exist in rugby league?

Are you criticizing Soccer fans for being passionate?

Hooliganism is clearly overblown. After all, what's a few cracked skulls and the occasional flaming vespa thrown on the pitch?
 
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Happily this is not widespread, at least not to the degree where other sports by deduction may be automatically implicated. The historical and anecdotal evidence is simply not there to suggest that all team sports primarily played by men are prone to this kind of sick behaviour.

Football has had its share of sex scandals of course, from Sven-Goran Eriksson bonking the boss’ secretary to Ronaldo’s ill-fated frolic with three prostitutes who turned out to be men.

But the Sebastian Ryall case is not part of any pattern, or a matter to which one can point and suggest that it’s indicative of a broader football malady.

Football, though not exactly a sport played by choir boys, is simply a very different culture to rugby league. The need to booze after training as a form of bonding and collectively go on the prowl for sex is simply not part of football, nor of most sports, and to suggest otherwise is to make mischief.



WTF?? :?

He says that Football does not have these sordid sex scandals and that the Ryall case is not indicating a pattern but then lists a few other Football sex scandals.

Also he claims Football has no culture of boozing so what happened to George Best?
 

hutch

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the ffa moved swiftly?? the incident happened a year ago, the ffa have known for months, he only got suspended for a few months, and has pretty much been forgotten about in the media. the double standards are atrocious!

if it was a rugby league player, the sport wold be dieing, it would be front page news for a week, there would be a "culture" of paedophilia, and the player would be banned for life.
 

Timmah

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I love how an incident involving group sex that has been deemed not criminal on any level is being compared to what is in effect pedophilia...
 

Noa

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Les has lost it. EPL players make NRL players look like choir-boys.
 

Timmah

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Very true. Didn't Cristiano Ronaldo write off a sports car in a tunnel and just walk away?
 

Flapper

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Man U had a Christmas party, WAG's were banned from attending, and they hired a stack of prostitutes. Oh wait, it's RUGBY LEAGUE with the inherent cultural problems. My mistake, ace party you organised, Rio!
 

Cloud9

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The problem is cultural and is apparently unique to Australia. Such sick behaviour, and I refer in particular to mob sex, is rare if not unheard of in most other countries.

-Les Murray (real name Lazlo Urge)

May be they don't report it. Its swept under the carpet behind a code of silence.
 

LeagueXIII

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I love Les but gees hasn't he heard of the good old Greek orgy. Group sex has been around for donkey's.
 

Kiki

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HAHHAHAHA

bitch has lost his damn mind. its not even offensive coz its just so totally off base.
 

MsStorm

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Just one small quick press statement, then sweep it under the carpet.
Learning well from the afl.

Didn't this *event* happen 1 year ago? If so, I haven't heard about it until last week.
 

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