Let's talk about Union thread no 101

[CAS]

PW,why have you or any of your Union Buddies not returned to and replied to the Evidance presented to you on the French Union thread?

You have obviously seen it and dont fancy it eh?

Lets get something straight here. Right accross the world, Union IS more popular then League. I will say it again for you, Union IS more popular than League. You see we dont have a problem with it, we are doing well now on the International front, we could be better, but we are getting there and making great strides.

Now having seen the situation in France, does that as Union Fans make you proud?, and do you think that goes on in other Countries, thus making Union more popular there?

Remember, we are very alike in that only a few of the top Countries ever have a chance of winning a world Cup, only differance is we admit it and dont pretend we are something we are not, but the Union Bulls**t factor that ALL Union Journos have and a lot of Fans too, wont admit to that.

3 Billion TV Audience for the last world Cup anyone? Keep dreaming, Keep deflecting the Truth, Keep Bulls**ing.

 

[Woods99]

lol

Yeah, I mean Bledisloe really kicks arse in the ratings in NZ and and and and and and and ..... ROFL

You've got massive problems if you think Bledisloe has "worldwide":lol: ratings that any major sport in any civilized country salivates over.

By the way, you're a Union lover on a Rugby League forum and you're only allowed to post here because management like the people here to have someone to play with.

Since when does a plaything get to decide what to debate and where?

1. I simply made the point that the Bledisloe is shown in a number of markets beyond Eastern Australia. I would guess that the ratings in New Zealand would be pretty good.

2. There is a lot of money in rugby union now. Most of it comes from tv deals, so I guess someone salivates over the audience that it attracts.

On that subject, the ratings don't tell much of the story. The demographic that rugby union attracts is far more attractive to sponsors than the league demographic. That is why Qantas sponsors the Wallabies, and promotes its international business class on rugby telecasts, while league sponsors sell potato chips.

3. Yes, I am a rugby union person. I do not "love" the game. But I did play it, and league as well, and I enjoy coming on here to debate things, and occasionally to set the record straight. I would imagine that the management of this forum would appreciate a poster who can speak proper English, and mount a coherent argument, without resorting to bad language, and insulting other posters.

4. I do not start threads here. I just respond to them.

 

[russ13]

Woods99

What evidence do you have of the international ratings (outside of Australia & NZ) for the Bledisloe Cup?

The lowest international sporting event on Initiatives 2004 list at 15th place was a University Rowing event. They estimated it's audience at 5 million.

(The recent SANZAR TV deal was in real & absolute terms below what they got on their initial deal.)

IMO if the Bledisloe (international) audience is more than say 200,000 (all expats too) I would be surprised. The only single game of union that has got more than 10 million viewers has to have either France or England involved.

Here is the 2004 results from Initiative.

1. Football: Euro 2004 final Portugal v Greece 153 million
2. Olympic Games: opening ceremony 127 million
3. Olympic Games: closing ceremony 96 million
4. American football: Super Bowl 95 million
5. Olympic Games: men's 100m metres 87 million
6. Olympic Games: men's 200m freestyle swimming 66 million
7. Formula one: Monaco grand prix 59 million
8. Football: Champions League final Porto v Monaco 56 million
9. Basketball: NBA finals 25 million
10.= Tennis: Wimbledon women's singles final 21 million
10.= Tennis: Wimbledon men's singles final 21 million
12. Cycling: Tour de France final stage 16 million
13.= Football: FA Cup final Millwall v Man Utd 9 million
13.= Horseracing: Grand National 9 million
15. Rowing: University Boat Race 5 million

 

[Everlovin' Antichrist]

1. I simply made the point that the Bledisloe is shown in a number of markets beyond Eastern Australia. I would guess that the ratings in New Zealand would be pretty good.

Relatively speaking that's a load of bollocks.

NZ is a blip on the worldwide ratings market and a very small blip at that.

Good ratings in NZ would probably equate to average ratings in NSW.

2. There is a lot of money in rugby union now. Most of it comes from tv deals, so I guess someone salivates over the audience that it attracts.

TV deals?

Not in Australia.....

And NZ would be relatively small....

That leaves what, the UK and South Africa?

Compared to Soccer, Cricket......

And as relevant to Rugby League in Australia as Conkers in Leigh is.

On that subject, the ratings don't tell much of the story.

Only when you lose them.....

I'm sure you were barking them up in 2003.

The demographic that rugby union attracts is far more attractive to sponsors than the league demographic. That is why Qantas sponsors the Wallabies, and promotes its international business class on rugby telecasts, while league sponsors sell potato chips.

League sells Potato Chips.... ?

And Proton Cars, Mitsubishi Electrics, LG Electronics, Sanyo, Samsung etc etc etc etc

Funny that they're all International companies.

Rugy's demographic is simple; People who have an opinion of themselves not shared by others who believe that the far superior game of Rugby League is below them.

Unfortunately, that's arse about. The game of Rugby League is above them.

3. Yes, I am a rugby union person. I do not "love" the game. But I did play it, and league as well, and I enjoy coming on here to debate things, and occasionally to set the record straight. I would imagine that the management of this forum would appreciate a poster who can speak proper English, and mount a coherent argument, without resorting to bad language, and insulting other posters.

No, you're a troll and when you're cornered you always end up back here.

Why?

Because Internationally Rugby Union is bigger than Rugby League and you're only prepared to fight with an advantage. When discussion turn to what is actually relevant in this community, League v Union in Australia, you have no argument.

No other reason.

I'll even give Turdy a rap, he gets his arse kicked constantly but he doesn't only post here about Union.

4. I do not start threads here. I just respond to them.

But you are here.

I love Rugby League and don't rate Rugby Union yet I've never posted once in a Rugby Union forum outside LU. And I only posted once or twice here because the mod likes to keep League people out of that forum, which is his prerogative.

Think yourself lucky that other mods are more liberal.

If I were the mod here, I wouldn't be, you'd be only in TFC or the Union forum.

 

[Everlovin' Antichrist]

Woods99

What evidence do you have of the international ratings (outside of Australia & NZ) for the Bledisloe Cup?

He has no evidence.

Bledisloe is nothing outside Australia and NZ and it's fast becoming irrelevant in Australia. Who's going to get up on the other side of the world in the early AM to watch Australia v NZ in anything?

Sweet FA.

 

[ParraEelsNRL]

Doesn't Sony sponsor the Kangaroos?

If they do, i'll say it now, more ppl around the world would know sony over Qantas, just got an email from a gamming site today where they said Sony had just sold it's 100 milllionth unit.



http://www.gamepro.com.au/index.php?id=14711692&eid=-160

I'd rather have this on the Kangaroos jumper than Qantas.

Lots more money involved, hell heaps of ppl travel on planes, but you have a massive variety, not much variety when it comes to the big electronics companies, known world wide, loved world wide, stick your Qantas up your arse.

 

[iggy plop]

I see that the Bledisloe Cup ratings in 2003 1.2 million and in 2004 it went up 1.53 million .

Thats the biggest Nose-dived I've seen in my life .:lol:

Remember this post by Russ Turd Pen, it also has a link.

RU TV ratings for the Bledislow Cup in Brisbane (Saturday night) were 289,000; it came 11th in Brisbane for the week. In Sydney the RU ame 7th with 477,000.

OZ wide ratings for the union game were:

Last year in ()
Sydney 477,000 (7th for the week)(603,125)
Melbourne 106,000 (238,173)
Brisbane 289,000 (11th for the week)(330,737
Adelaide 32,000 (88,876)
Perth 150,000 (164,448)


The Perth figures seem alright if as I think the game was screened late at night. I believe the the game about 24th for the week in Perth.

This game is the only RU game in Brisbane to feature in the top 50 TV programs so far this year. The ratings are down 41,000 from the 330,000 achieved for last year's match. In Sydney the drop was 126,000 from 603,125 to 477,000.

This Bledislow Cup game came 17th for the week (Oztam ratings-Capital cities) last year. This year it came it came 47th.

http://www.pbl.com.au/media/pdf/2005/Australian%20Television%20Ratings%20-%20Week%2033.pdf

Now that's what I call a nose dive. :lol:

 

[iggy plop]

Hey guys, guess what.

You're a turd muncher?

 

[Polynesian Warrior]

Relatively speaking that's a load of bollocks.

NZ is a blip on the worldwide ratings market and a very small blip at that.

Good ratings in NZ would probably equate to average ratings in NSW.



TV deals?

Not in Australia.....

And NZ would be relatively small....

That leaves what, the UK and South Africa?

Compared to Soccer, Cricket......

And as relevant to Rugby League in Australia as Conkers in Leigh is.



Only when you lose them.....

I'm sure you were barking them up in 2003.



League sells Potato Chips.... ?

And Proton Cars, Mitsubishi Electrics, LG Electronics, Sanyo, Samsung etc etc etc etc

Funny that they're all International companies.

Rugy's demographic is simple; People who have an opinion of themselves not shared by others who believe that the far superior game of Rugby League is below them.

Unfortunately, that's arse about. The game of Rugby League is above them.



No, you're a troll and when you're cornered you always end up back here.

Why?

Because Internationally Rugby Union is bigger than Rugby League and you're only prepared to fight with an advantage. When discussion turn to what is actually relevant in this community, League v Union in Australia, you have no argument.

No other reason.

I'll even give Turdy a rap, he gets his arse kicked constantly but he doesn't only post here about Union.



But you are here.

I love Rugby League and don't rate Rugby Union yet I've never posted once in a Rugby Union forum outside LU. And I only posted once or twice here because the mod likes to keep League people out of that forum, which is his prerogative.

Think yourself lucky that other mods are more liberal.

If I were the mod here, I wouldn't be, you'd be only in TFC or the Union forum.

ecause Internationally Rugby Union is bigger than Rugby League and you're only prepared to fight with an advantage. When discussion turn to what is actually relevant in this community, League v Union in AUSTRALIA, you have no argument.:lol:

 

[Polynesian Warrior]

Remember this post by Russ Turd Pen, it also has a link.



Now that's what I call a nose dive. :lol:

Here's one from the same year Skinhead !

even scores with the Bledisloe Cup | 19 July 2004
Wallabies out-rate AFL and NRL with 1.53 million viewers.

19 July, 2004 --- Seven’s coverage of The Bledisloe Cup has dominated football television coverage, delivering a peak audience of 1,530,900 viewers to out-rank the National Rugby League and Australian Football League over the July 17-18 weekend.

The Bledisloe Cup out-rated rugby league coverage on Nine on Friday night, AFL coverage on Nine on Friday night, and Ten’s coverage of the Australian Football League on Saturday afternoon and Saturday night, and Nine’s AFL and rugby league coverage on Sunday afternoon.

The Wallabies v All Blacks test scored an average network audience of 1,162,200 and dominated its timeslot in Sydney, Brisbane and Perth with 50% audience viewing shares and scoring strong audiences in two of the three AFL markets, Adelaide and Melbourne.

Live coverage Average Peak Audience
Audience Audience Share
Sydney 501,900 661,800 51%
Brisbane 325,000 421,500 50%
Melbourne 167,400 221,300 19%
Adelaide 59,500 81,500 22%
Perth 108,400 144,800 56%


http://sevencorporate.com.au/page.asp?partid=460 ;-)

 

[Everlovin' Antichrist]

ecause Internationally Rugby Union is bigger than Rugby League and you're only prepared to fight with an advantage. When discussion turn to what is actually relevant in this community, League v Union in AUSTRALIA, you have no argument.:lol:

*bark bark*

 

[Polynesian Warrior]

Remember this post by Russ Turd Pen, it also has a link.



Now that's what I call a nose dive. :lol:

---------Average Audience--- Peak Audience--- AudienceShare
Sydney-----605,500 -----------687,500--------- 60%
Melbourne--239,500 -----------299,100 ----------27%
Brisbane----333,000 -----------441,000----------53%
Adelaide-----89,500 -----------108,500----------28%
Perth ------164,900 -----------211,800 ---------40%

Network 1,432,400 ----------1,747,900

http://sevencorporate.com.au/page.asp?partid=476

 

[Everlovin' Antichrist]

lol

The WC Final had how many viewers in 2003, 4 million?

In 2004 the best they did was 1.4 million.

The best Union can do in 2005 is a touch over 1.1 million.

But Turdy thinks that equates to anything but a substantial drop.

 

[brendothejet]

We all know that 8 billion people worldwide watch delayed replays of Bledisloe, tri nations and club rugby from foreshaw park every day....

PW strikes again...

 

[Polynesian Warrior]

lol

The WC Final had how many viewers in 2003, 4 million?

In 2004 the best they did was 1.4 million.

The best Union can do in 2005 is a touch over 1.1 million.

But Turdy thinks that equates to anything but a substantial drop.

So when I put up the 4 million RWC figures, your paranoid gang said it was an event and doesn't count .
And now its alright for you to compare the RWC final figures to a Bledisloe Cup .:lol:

 

[Everlovin' Antichrist]

So when I put up the 4 million RWC figures, your paranoid gang said it was an event and doesn't count .

Well, the later figures tend to prove that it was an event, but let's face it, the RWC was still Rugby Union wasn't it? :lol:

4 million, to 1.4 million, to 1.1 million.

That's the summation for the best Rugby Union match of the past 3 years.

Even soccer is going in the other direction..... :lol:

And now its alright for you to compare the RWC final figures to a Bledisloe Cup .:lol:

Well, both are Rugby Union games and for the past 3 seasons they have been the best Rugby Union has to offer in this country. In 2003 it was the RWC Final and in 2004 and 2005 it was the Bledisloe.

That, my little tripedal monobrowed monosyllabic friend, is irrefutable...

Feel free to compare the ratings for them to the best Rugby League or AFL has to offer......

You'll win 2003 and lose every other year....

 

[Polynesian Warrior]

Well, the later figures tend to prove that it was an event, but let's face it, the RWC was still Rugby Union wasn't it? :lol:

4 million, to 1.4 million, to 1.1 million.

That's the summation for the best Rugby Union match of the past 3 years.

Even soccer is going in the other direction..... :lol:



Well, both are Rugby Union games and for the past 3 seasons they have been the best Rugby Union has to offer in this country. In 2003 it was the RWC Final and in 2004 and 2005 it was the Bledisloe.

That, my little tripedal monobrowed monosyllabic friend, is irrefutable...

Feel free to compare the ratings for them to the best Rugby League or AFL has to offer......

You'll win 2003 and lose every other year....

You must think that everyone here is stupid . When did anyone said that Rugby ratings was higher than AFL and League ?

 

[Everlovin' Antichrist]

You must think that everyone here is stupid . When did anyone said that Rugby ratings was higher than AFL and League ?

Well, you are most definately stupid. I dunno about everyone else.

You were trying to point out that Union ratings hadn't dropped, or "nose-dived". Or are you going to deny that?

Call me paranoid if you like, but they actually have dropped, and dramatically.

The last part of my previous post was something for you to chew on, you know, like a bone, not human though, that's just gross.....

 

[Polynesian Warrior]

Well, you are most definately stupid. I dunno about everyone else.

You were trying to point out that Union ratings hadn't dropped, or "nose-dived". Or are you going to deny that?

Call me paranoid if you like, but they actually have dropped, and dramatically.

The last part of my previous post was something for you to chew on, you know, like a bone, not human though, that's just gross.....

Dramatically ;-)

 

[Everlovin' Antichrist]

4 million to 1.1 million.

Damn you're right Turdy, that is dramatic....