LJCs 'Delusions'

[LJC]

Until RL gets access to the scholastic system the game will forever struggle. The fact that no one can teach the game at school level due to RL not having any University backing for teacher courses then the struggle is a massive one for rugby league.

The code of rugby union has been propagated by the scholastic system and the establishment since year dot! RL doesn't enjoy the advantages RU has and this is where the main issue for RL arises and dominates the landscape. The repression of RL is a reality not a conspiracy!

As a sport, RL is way above the outdated code version of RU but it hasn't got the "friends in high places" that is necessary to attain and sustain growth. It's not right and it is essentially a form of sports bigotry that has been enjoyed by RU over the much more open and attractive rugby of RL.

I'd suggest that there maybe a massive damages case for restraint of trade if a decent lawyer might want to pursue some justice for the game?

 

[LJC]

Just a once off drop in to inform that on October 20 the RLEF posted on their FB page a story about the FFRXIII announced a quadripartite agreement that seems to confirm that it will soon have access to the scholastic system. Apparently negotiations started in 2012.

As far as access to a whole range of scholastic systems that would be a significant step forward! Seeing is believing. It shows how difficult it has been for rugby league when you note that "negotiations" have been underway since 2012 for this very simple thing to occur. It's an access to a sport through the school system which should not be a drama. But those in control think otherwise!(Especially the friends of RU)

 

[miguel de cervantes]

As far as access to a whole range of scholastic systems that would be a significant step forward! Seeing is believing. It shows how difficult it has been for rugby league when you note that "negotiations" have been underway since 2012 for this very simple thing to occur. It's an access to a sport through the school system which should not be a drama. But those in control think otherwise!(Especially the friends of RU)

Concerning group sports, only football, handball, basketball, volleyball and rugby union have been taught in french schools since 1941 (under the Vichy government). Pascot, the guy that put that in place, was of course a former union international and spearheaded the removal of rugby league because of its professionalism.

Sport was to be used as a means to instil good morals, hierarchie and authority in society (sound familiar?).

 

[LJC]

Concerning group sports, only football, handball, basketball, volleyball and rugby union have been taught in french schools since 1941 (under the Vichy government). Pascot, the guy that put that in place, was of course a former union international and spearheaded the removal of rugby league because of its professionalism.

Sport was to be used as a means to instil good morals, hierarchie and authority in society (sound familiar?).

Yes. The hierarchical & authority elements tie in well with the bigotry emanating from the RU fraternity and its friends in high places.

The "good moral" aspect is highly contentious as it (RU) has been repressing and therefore deceiving a sports public for a very long time now and this needs to be general public knowledge.

Sadly, from a genuine sports enthusiasts point of view, having the reality of repression well concealed and deflected to a degree whereby the person on the street will not give a damn about decency and a fair go for all is a very distinct and real scenario!

The reality of repression over the game of RL needs to be told and told at large . Not just discussed amongst those that are privy to the sham. It requires exposure that informs the general public. Wonder if this will ever happen as those that are in control are most probably "friends in high places" of the outdated code of rugby (RU)

 

[miguel de cervantes]

Yes. The hierarchical & authority elements tie in well with the bigotry emanating from the RU fraternity and its friends in high places.

The "good moral" aspect is highly contentious as it (RU) has been repressing and therefore deceiving a sports public for a very long time now and this needs to be general public knowledge.

Sadly, from a genuine sports enthusiasts point of view, having the reality of repression well concealed and deflected to a degree whereby the person on the street will not give a damn about decency and a fair go for all is a very distinct and real scenario!

The reality of repression over the game of RL needs to be told and told at large . Not just discussed amongst those that are privy to the sham. It requires exposure that informs the general public. Wonder if this will ever happen as those that are in control are most probably "friends in high places" of the outdated code of rugby (RU)

I think we should start by putting up an article on wikipedia briefly highlighting the various abuses of power throughout history. It needs to be solidly referenced however. Who can help out?

 

[LJC]

I think we should start by putting up an article on wikipedia briefly highlighting the various abuses of power throughout history. It needs to be solidly referenced however. Who can help out?

Perhaps Steve Mascord? He has an understanding of the repression and has been on TV exposing the jailing of a man whom was trying to gain major sponsors to start up RL in the UAE recently.

I suppose the issue is contacting Steve Mascord?

 

[miguel de cervantes]

The UAE is one of the easier ones, along with France. Plenty of good references to be found. Harder ones would be Morocco, Russia, the UK, Italy, Yugoslavia and any others. No need to suggest or prove involvement of union, just any examples where league was surpressed by government or otherwise.

 

[Evil Homer]

The UAE is one of the easier ones, along with France. Plenty of good references to be found. Harder ones would be Morocco, Russia, the UK, Italy, Yugoslavia and any others. No need to suggest or prove involvement of union, just any examples where league was surpressed by government or otherwise.

UK would be pretty easy considering that's literally the reason that the sport was born and why it exists.

Rugby League World in the UK recently published an article on RU's oppression of RL, if you're interested in that kind of thing: http://www.totalrl.com/rugby-league-world-teaser-dirty-tricks/

 

[miguel de cervantes]

It's a good start but can't really be used as a source.

 

[LJC]

The UAE is one of the easier ones, along with France. Plenty of good references to be found. Harder ones would be Morocco, Russia, the UK, Italy, Yugoslavia and any others. No need to suggest or prove involvement of union, just any examples where league was surpressed by government or otherwise.

Just to add to the "others" list:
Kenya:
This year thousands upon thousands of native Kenyans were watching a game of rugby league in Kenya.

When it came to government funding being handed out to aspiring sports codes guess which code missed out and which one received government funding? Rugby League missed out and rugby union received the government funding.

 

[miguel de cervantes]

Yes, but to get government funding you need to know how to ask for it and have the structures set up to recieve it - the government needs feedback as to how and where the money is spent and to what benefit. League is historically not good at going about this the right way and i'm sure in Kenya the rugby union is much more developed than any league setup so this is not surprising. League has to get their act together in this regards before it can start complaining.

 

[LJC]

Yes, but to get government funding you need to know how to ask for it and have the structures set up to recieve it - the government needs feedback as to how and where the money is spent and to what benefit. League is historically not good at going about this the right way and i'm sure in Kenya the rugby union is much more developed than any league setup so this is not surprising. League has to get their act together in this regards before it can start complaining.

I see a pattern or trend that sees League the poor cousin in all of this scenario compared to rugby union.

If we agree that RL doesn't have the right approach and this, logically, is ultimately to do with education, then we see the ultimate culprit being a lack of access to the scholastic system. Once again, the repression starts from the very core of most nations hierarchical development, the education system. Now there's many poignant examples of the game of rugby league not having the same access as rugby union! Hard to refute and the statistics will back the problematic access issue up.

It's massive and widespread the repression of RL. Therein lies the cause of the problematic administrative approaches by RL you refer to and yet still as a result of repression within the scholastic systems around the world.

 

[LJC]

You should really do some research before making bold statements like that.

You do know that each year around 700 teenage league players are signed/move from NZ to Australia? NRL club scouts are now everywhere in NZ.

Add to this the Warriors have the most successful U20?s team in the history, and I also believe have had the most convert from U20?s to NRL. Every year we have other NRL clubs signing our juniors. It would be very uncommon to find and NRL club with no Kiwi kids in their U20?s/NRL teams?

They are one of the best supported clubs in the NRL, especially on away games with all the expat Kiwis in Australia. Is it not ironic that NRL clubs are now playing home matches in NZ?

The Warriors are the number one sold jersey in the NRL..

Hardly stats that show NZ is leeching off the NRL?A good proportion of the NRL Stars are Kiwi players?then you add in the TV Deal with SKY Tv to the NRL?

Oh lets not forget the NRL Auckland Nines initiative that was lead by NZ and now Australia want it played in Australia?

NZ adds so much to the NRL, it?s not surprising there are Australians calling for a second team in NZ.

Edit:

47 Players have come from the Warriors U20's to NRL level...the most of any club. That is probably more than 2 years worth in the Super League and this number doesn't even include the players that are signed up by other clubs straight from local league..

Yup we clearly leech off the NRL..

Quite rightly NZRL can hold its head up high!
Given that the code doesn't have all over access to the scholastic system of NZ it has done a remarkable job in promoting and growing rugby league.

One wonders had in 1907 Baskerville not died of pneumonia on the way back to NZ on the All Golds tour what sort of sports landscape we would have been enjoying in NZ.

I suggest RL would be No1 by a country mile!

 

[maccattack]

Perhaps Steve Mascord? He has an understanding of the repression and has been on TV exposing the jailing of a man whom was trying to gain major sponsors to start up RL in the UAE recently.

I suppose the issue is contacting Steve Mascord?

Apart from Mascord theres Shaun Fagan and David Hinchcliffe in the uk who wrote a book about it.

 

[kiwileaguefan]

Quite rightly NZRL can hold its head up high!
Given that the code doesn't have all over access to the scholastic system of NZ it has done a remarkable job in promoting and growing rugby league.

One wonders had in 1907 Baskerville not died of pneumonia on the way back to NZ on the All Golds tour what sort of sports landscape we would have been enjoying in NZ.

I suggest RL would be No1 by a country mile!

After World War Two, the NZ Rugby Union gave all players banned for life for playing league a one off chance to come back to rugby - which they accepted. The reason they gave them that offer was because all the star rugby players code swapped to rugby before the War and at that time you were banned for life for swapping codes.

If NZ Rugby Union didnt do this, Rugby League would of been the number one sport in NZ.

 

[LJC]

After World War Two, the NZ Rugby Union gave all players banned for life for playing league a one off chance to come back to rugby - which they accepted. The reason they gave them that offer was because all the star rugby players code swapped to rugby before the War and at that time you were banned for life for swapping codes.

If NZ Rugby Union didnt do this, Rugby League would of been the number one sport in NZ.

I would suggest that if RL had complete access to the scholastic system of NZ and not just the Auckland area that RL would eventually prevail.

The general public are not aware of the lack of access to the scholastic system that RL endures and this should be highlighted and worked on emphatically by RL administrators.

It's clear that RL gets no favors like RU and this is a worldwide reality. Public knowledge of this unfairness will eventually open doors for RL but its getting the general public to be aware of this unfairness that is a major practical issue for the game.

 

[Te Kaha]

I would suggest that if RL had complete access to the scholastic system of NZ and not just the Auckland area that RL would eventually prevail.

The general public are not aware of the lack of access to the scholastic system that RL endures and this should be highlighted and worked on emphatically by RL administrators.

It's clear that RL gets no favors like RU and this is a worldwide reality. Public knowledge of this unfairness will eventually open doors for RL but its getting the general public to be aware of this unfairness that is a major practical issue for the game.

This whole post is a blatant lie. League is in no way banned from the school system. You have no evidence to support this and are perpetuating a complete lie.

 

[Evil Homer]

This whole post is a blatant lie. League is in no way banned from the school system. You have no evidence to support this and are perpetuating a complete lie.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/league/10553015/Wilson-So-you-wanna-play-rugby-league-son

https://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/sport/rugby-union/a/25464535/force-recruit-smiles-about-bribery/

 

[LJC]

This whole post is a blatant lie. League is in no way banned from the school system. You have no evidence to support this and are perpetuating a complete lie.

If you care to read the following articles provided by another administrator of League Unlimited in the following post after your rude accusation of 'no evidence' you would apologize. But your form is that of an ignorant person.

FYI

 

[miguel de cervantes]

http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/league/10553015/Wilson-So-you-wanna-play-rugby-league-son

https://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/sport/rugby-union/a/25464535/force-recruit-smiles-about-bribery/

If you care to read the following articles provided by another administrator of League Unlimited in the following post after your rude accusation of 'no evidence' you would apologize. But your form is that of an ignorant person.

FYI

The first article is a good one. It protrays the reality of the situation that is the same in the UK, South Africa, NZ, Australia etc. The institutions work to protect the status quo. It's not just specific to league or sport even, this sort of stuff happens everywhere.

Hell, the same thing, albeit to a much smaller extent, happens in western Sydney between the AFL and league with the roles reversed, the only difference is the AFL has a bucketload of money to influence a pre-existing culture/network.

It really is up to league to keep pushing, keep putting on good quality schools comps and providing quality education material for teachers to pick up if they want to make a difference. Schools aren't just going to start offering league because you tell them to. With a strong imputus to change things they will eventually adapt, as we are seeing in the private school system in Australia (even though it is again an exercise of prejudice against league, going to AFL instead).

Nevertheless this sort of stuff pales in comparison to the lengths gone to in the UAE and France.