London and Manchester legacy

[Perth Red]

That’s poor.

68k for a GF is outstanding, 64k for a cc final is poor. That’s some logic at play lol

reality is back in the day cc final was the only opportunity for fans to have a big weekend away trip, it drew a lot of neutrals from the north becasue of that.
now we have gf, cc, Perpignan, vegas, magic weekend. It is inevitable the cc final will take a hit from the neutrals. Seems around 64k is now it’s bench mark.

 

[England87]

We are a tiny dying sport in the North, honestly as long as Wembley is atleast half full for big tests and the CC then that is a win at this stage.

 

[jolly boys outing]

68k for a GF is outstanding, 64k for a cc final is poor. That’s some logic at play lol

from regular crowds of 90k in the 80’s and high 70k in the 90’s to low 60k today tells me that it’s on the decline and losts it’s appeal.

reality is back in the day cc final was the only opportunity for fans to have a big weekend away trip, it drew a lot of neutrals from the north becasue of that.
now we have gf, cc, Perpignan, vegas, magic weekend. It is inevitable the cc final will take a hit from the neutrals. Seems around 64k is now its bench mark.

unless we grow the support of the game throughout the UK and spread more fans to all of these events it’s only going to decline even further.

 

[jolly boys outing]

We are a tiny dying sport in the North, honestly as long as Wembley is atleast half full for big tests and the CC then that is a win at this stage.

Time to address this then by re-engaging with lost fans and attracting new ones.

 

[Dark Corner]

Time to address this then by re-engaging with lost fans and attracting new ones.

Not when you got Nigel Wood and his chums involved in the game.

 

[Perth Red]

unless we grow the support of the game throughout the UK and spread more fans to all of these events it’s only going to decline even further.

There’s no sign of that. Part of it is finalist dependent. Hkr v hfc cc final would draw 80k+.

last few years crowds barring covid years

2017 68k
2018 50k (french team)
2019 62k
2023 58k
2024 65k
2025 63k

like I said 60-65k is now a consistent crowd for cc which is not to be sneezed at and is only a little bit lower than the gf.

 

[Taking The Two]

It’s a shame that somewhere like Tottenham isn’t 65-70k as that would be more aesthetically pleasing than a Wembley that is 2/3 full.

The large areas of empty red seats aren’t a great look and does take a little away from the crowd, which is quite reasonable in all honesty.

 

[Perth Red]

It’s a shame that somewhere like Tottenham isn’t 65-70k as that would be more aesthetically pleasing than a Wembley that is 2/3 full.

The large areas of empty red seats aren’t a great look and does take a little away from the crowd, which is quite reasonable in all honesty.

Yep 70k would be ideal for a cc venue, alas we dont have any stadiums of that capacity.

 

[jolly boys outing]

There’s no sign of that. Part of it is finalist dependent. Hkr v hfc cc final would draw 80k+.

last few years crowds barring covid years

2017 68k
2018 50k (french team)
2019 62k
2023 58k
2024 65k
2025 63k

like I said 60-65k is now a consistent crowd for cc which is not to be sneezed at and is only a little bit lower than the gf.

What if sub 60k becomes the norm?

I say give Wembley another decade then review it and alternate it with anfield/etihad if crowds drop even further.

 

[jolly boys outing]

Not when you got Nigel Wood and his chums involved in the game.

The big guy will most likely drive fans away.

 

[Father Gascoigne]

The issue with bidding is how many stadiums are there that can fit 60k+?

Wembley 90,000
Old Trafford 74,000 (new stadium will happen in the next decade at 100,000)
Tottenham 63,000
Anfield 61,000
Emirates 60,000 (exploring ideas to increase to 70,000-80,000)
Etihad 62,000 (works almost complete)
Birmingham 62,000 (could be completed within 5 years' time)
Newcastle redevelopment/new stadium 65,000-70,000)
West Ham 68,000
Chelsea (seeking to expand or rebuild to over 60,000)

There are seven stadiums that can accommodate 60,000+ now/next season, with there likely being 10 over the next decade. I'd also expect Villa and Leeds to seek to push capacity to that level in the future.

Warrington to Newcastle, UK is like 4 hours one way

The only real possibilities for the Super League grand final are Old Trafford, Etihad, a redeveloped Elland Road or one maybe Anfield or Everton

The historical factor for the Challenge cup and Wembley is the "national stadium"

Most European nations have this concept, Australia not quite. It'd seem strange to us

Most European nations have a primate city that dominates all aspects of life, so of course they're going to have national stadiums. They are no different to Australian states in that sense.

The big nations that are like Australia have differing approaches. France and England do have national stadiums, whereas Germany, Italy, Spain, Turkey, Poland, Netherlands, Russia, Ukraine etc don't. England wouldn't have one either if the FA didn't own Wembley.

 

[RL The greatest game]

We are a tiny dying sport in the North, honestly as long as Wembley is atleast half full for big tests and the CC then that is a win at this stage.

Super League needs to get the London Broncos into it as asoon as possible, and with the new owners, getting in quality players wouldn't be a problem

 

[Taking The Two]

Super League needs to get the London Broncos into it as asoon as possible, and with the new owners, getting in quality players wouldn't be a problem

With the way the game is going here, all they’ll need to do is win the Championship rather than satisfy the IMG criteria as well and that could well be easily achievable. Without York, Bradford and Toulouse, it’s only really Oldham that are likely to challenge in 2026.