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[gregstar]

& they certainly don't run the ball more than 10 metres. or even 10 metres total.

they run 2 metres, stop, gather together for a quick slap & tickle, someone goes to ground "injured", then there's a 5 minute stoppage whilst the fat merkins regather their breath.

yep - true athletes with sh*tloads of skill.

give us a break.

 

[Solid]

Rugby league props get subbed after 20 mins and then again sometime in the second half. Union forwards play the entire 80 minutes. Rugby is continuous with contested rucks and mauls, but at the same time is played at a slower pace.

I just don't think enough credit is given to the abilities of the players around here. I think union is a tad boring a to watch too, but the sport is not as bad people say it is.

 

[Everlovin' Antichrist]

Rugby league props get subbed after 20 mins and then again sometime in the second half. Union forwards play the entire 80 minutes. Rugby is continuous with contested rucks and mauls, but at the same time is played at a slower pace.

I just don't think enough credit is given to the abilities of the players around here. I think union is a tad boring a to watch too, but the sport is not as bad people say it is.

Yes, it is.

You mumbled that Union forwards were more complete players because they had to pass and kick. Patently untrue. Union forwards pass as much as Cronulla win premierships.

Union is played at a pace that would be embarrassing for local C grade Rugby League. It's run 2 metres, drop, cuddle and let someone else do the next one.

That's why Union props can play 80 minutes. They would be lucky to last 20 in the NRL at the fitness level they need to play Union. I reckon they'd hit the wall at 8, maybe 10 minutes in an NRL game. Aside from that fat f**k Dunning who would hit the wall on the way out of the tunnel...

 

[Godz Illa]

I just don't think enough credit is given to the abilities of the players around here.

Ok credit where it is due. Pushing in a scrum/ruck is really quite difficult and at least half the world's animal species would be unable to master the task, namely fish, insects and molluscs.

 

[Solid]

Yes, it is.

You mumbled that Union forwards were more complete players because they had to pass and kick. Patently untrue. Union forwards pass as much as Cronulla win premierships.

Union is played at a pace that would be embarrassing for local C grade Rugby League. It's run 2 metres, drop, cuddle and let someone else do the next one.

That's why Union props can play 80 minutes. They would be lucky to last 20 in the NRL at the fitness level they need to play Union. I reckon they'd hit the wall at 8, maybe 10 minutes in an NRL game. Aside from that fat f**k Dunning who would hit the wall on the way out of the tunnel...

League has 3 minute video ref breaks after anything that looks like a try. Players from both teams stand there and look at the screen waiting.

Matt Dunning is fit, he just doesn't look it. He has a big advantage being his shape in rugby. Good body height and low center of gravity

 

[Everlovin' Antichrist]

League has 3 minute video ref breaks after anything that looks like a try. Players from both teams stand there and look at the screen waiting.

Matt Dunning is fit, he just doesn't look it. He has a big advantage being his shape in rugby. Good body height and low center of gravity

So, Rugby League having the odd break for a video try makes it a slower game than Union?

Union is played at 1/2 the pace an NRL game is played at. Maybe you could watch an NRL game occasionally and see?

Dunning is a slob who shouldn't be considered an athlete in any sport. In Union, he's an International. The closest he should get to being an international is representing Australia at an "Eat your own weight" contest.

Please, we know what Union trolls look like, your attempt to hide it was sweet but in the end it was, like your sport in Australia, f**ked...

 

[christopher]

I just think rugby union forwards are more complete players than those in league. Rugby is more technical than league (which is probably its downfall) and the forwards are put in situations were they need to pass and kiss. Not just run the ball 10 meters and get tacked. Players of both games have there strengths and weaknesses.

That is a rediculous statement..

League forwards require a lot more ball skills. Sure there are skills union forwards require which leaguies never even think about, such as scrums, line out and mauling. But ball skills? No. league forwards have infinate more ability.


There are forwards in league who do nothing but run ten metres and get tackled. Dallas Johnson only runs five metres and gets tackled, before making 6 times the amount of tackles made by any union player.

Ever seen - John Sutton, Greg Bird, Anthony Tupou, Lagi Setu, Reni Matua, Roy Asotasi, Lopini Pea i could go on and on.

Rugby Union is more structured, and perhaps more technical, as they have scrums and line outs, but in general play both are quite technical. League rucks are extremely technical now. More technical than union rucks.

But union requires a lot of structure, because the ball can be turned over easily. Every union team works to get turn over ball and catch the defense out of alignment.

To protect against this, union teams play a conservative, structured play.

In league it is more off the cuff, free flowing. In league you can simply be given the ball and go for a run, do whatever you want. This is often the broncos play on tackles three or four when they just throw the ball to Hodges and he goes for a run and shows his tremendous individual skill by beating half a team.

This is why I prefer league over union, because it allows individual, spur of the moment play to flourish.

Union is still interesting to watch but it needs less structure and more tempo. The ELV's have helped, but at the same time they have destroyed mauling and the breakdown has less science and technicality.

Union by nature is a slow, plodding game where people dont play to win, they play to not make a mistake. There is merit in this style of game and I understand why some love it, but me, i prefer a mix of action and craft.

 

[Solid]

So, Rugby League having the odd break for a video try makes it a slower game than Union?

Union is played at 1/2 the pace an NRL game is played at. Maybe you could watch an NRL game occasionally and see?

Dunning is a slob who shouldn't be considered an athlete in any sport. In Union, he's an International. The closest he should get to being an international is representing Australia at an "Eat your own weight" contest.

Please, we know what Union trolls look like, your attempt to hide it was sweet but in the end it was, like your sport in Australia, f**ked...

Your the one pushing the League vs Rugby argument here. Im merely saying union forwards require a wider range of skills than there league counterparts, not saying one sport is better than the other. Or that i like rugby more than league.

Dunning obviously looks fat, but to say he has the fitness of a morbidly obese person is stupid.

That is a rediculous statement..

League forwards require a lot more ball skills. Sure there are skills union forwards require which leaguies never even think about, such as scrums, line out and mauling. But ball skills? No. league forwards have infinate more ability.


There are forwards in league who do nothing but run ten metres and get tackled. Dallas Johnson only runs five metres and gets tackled, before making 6 times the amount of tackles made by any union player.

Ever seen - John Sutton, Greg Bird, Anthony Tupou, Lagi Setu, Reni Matua, Roy Asotasi, Lopini Pea i could go on and on.

Rugby Union is more structured, and perhaps more technical, as they have scrums and line outs, but in general play both are quite technical. League rucks are extremely technical now. More technical than union rucks.

But union requires a lot of structure, because the ball can be turned over easily. Every union team works to get turn over ball and catch the defense out of alignment.

To protect against this, union teams play a conservative, structured play.

In league it is more off the cuff, free flowing. In league you can simply be given the ball and go for a run, do whatever you want. This is often the broncos play on tackles three or four when they just throw the ball to Hodges and he goes for a run and shows his tremendous individual skill by beating half a team.

This is why I prefer league over union, because it allows individual, spur of the moment play to flourish.

Union is still interesting to watch but it needs less structure and more tempo. The ELV's have helped, but at the same time they have destroyed mauling and the breakdown has less science and technicality.

Union by nature is a slow, plodding game where people dont play to win, they play to not make a mistake. There is merit in this style of game and I understand why some love it, but me, i prefer a mix of action and craft.

Yeah the ELV's are the best thing thats happened to the sport. The sport would be f**ked if something didnt change soon.

Most league forwards, like Dallas Johnson who you mentioned, just run the ball up in a straight line and get tackled. This is the best way to make meters so there is no need for forwards to be passing. They don't demonstrate ball skills because its not there role in the team to do so.

 

[Everlovin' Antichrist]

Your the one pushing the League vs Rugby argument here. Im merely saying union forwards require a wider range of skills than there league counterparts, not saying one sport is better than the other. Or that i like rugby more than league.

Look, real skills like passing, kicking, finding a way to get past the defensive line etc, it's like comparing steak to turd. Jumping in a lineout is hardly a skill, just get a tall bloke. Pushing in a scrum/ruck/maul is hardly a skill, just get a fat bloke.

Dunning obviously looks fat, but to say he has the fitness of a morbidly obese person is stupid.

Dunning doesn't look fat, he is fat. He wouldn't last 10 minutes of any grade of Rugby League down to a local under 18 side. But he can play an 80 minute game of Rugby Union at International level.

Graeme Lowe said it best.

"I'm 49, I've had a brain haemorrhage and a triple bypass and I could still go out and play a reasonable game of Rugby Union. But I wouldn't last 30 seconds in Rugby League."

 

[christopher]

Your the one pushing the League vs Rugby argument here. Im merely saying union forwards require a wider range of skills than there league counterparts, not saying one sport is better than the other. Or that i like rugby more than league.

Dunning obviously looks fat, but to say he has the fitness of a morbidly obese person is stupid.



Yeah the ELV's are the best thing thats happened to the sport. The sport would be f**ked if something didnt change soon.

Most league forwards, like Dallas Johnson who you mentioned, just run the ball up in a straight line and get tackled. This is the best way to make meters so there is no need for forwards to be passing. They don't demonstrate ball skills because its not there role in the team to do so.

you missed the tone in my words...

i meant to say.

there are some league forward who don't pass much, such as Dallas Johnson, but unlike rugby union there are many league forwards such roy asotasi, greg bird etc who thrive from passing before, through and after the line.

 

[Lockyer4President!]

Just FYI Solid, your kind are welcome in TFC. The only thing we ask is that you gtfo of the main forums.

 

[Canard]

Your the one pushing the League vs Rugby argument here. Im merely saying union forwards require a wider range of skills than there league counterparts, not saying one sport is better than the other. Or that i like rugby more than league.

Dunning obviously looks fat, but to say he has the fitness of a morbidly obese person is stupid.



Yeah the ELV's are the best thing thats happened to the sport. The sport would be f**ked if something didnt change soon.

Most league forwards, like Dallas Johnson who you mentioned, just run the ball up in a straight line and get tackled. This is the best way to make meters so there is no need for forwards to be passing. They don't demonstrate ball skills because its not there role in the team to do so.

Your only arguing about 50% of the game of Rugby League (attack), I completely disagree with your interpretation of this by the way.

But also what about defence? Thats something that League has all over Union, it takes skill, stamina, strength and smarts to be a good quality defender. Some Union players especially the guys playing Number 10 etc. would be consider Joven Clarke to be a "tough" tackler.

And some of the one on one attempts at tackling, are just embarrasing to watch even at International level.

 

[Solid]

I'm not trying to be a troll, sorry if it looks like it. But i simply responding to the comments that union players are completely inferior to those in league.

I ve said that the sport of rugby demands its forwards to use a wider range of skills than in league. Yes, the league forwards may possess these skills also, but their role in the team does not allow them to execute these skills.

Im not hanging sh*t on rugby league as a sport itself or pushing a rugby vs league argument either. Just commenting on what each game requires out of its respective forwards.

 

[Kurt Angle]

You're an imbecile.

A Union forward pack may have a wider range of skills, but individual union forwards do not. They are specialised, and being union, of very poor standards.

John Eales or Phil Waugh do not know how to pack in the front row, they do not have this skills. Alistair Baxter does not know how to jump in a lineout. Matt Dunning doesn not know how to run.

They all have very limited skill sets, and to say they are more rounded footballers can only be a sign of a troll or a moron.

 

[Butters]

You're an imbecile.

A Union forward pack may have a wider range of skills, but individual union forwards do not. They are specialised, and being union, of very poor standards.

John Eales or Phil Waugh do not know how to pack in the front row, they do not have this skills. Alistair Baxter does not know how to jump in a lineout. Matt Dunning doesn not know how to run.

They all have very limited skill sets, and to say they are more rounded footballers can only be a sign of a troll or a moron.

League forwards have no specialised skills, all of them do the same thing. Catch, run, tackle and pass.

Union forwards have all the aboves skills plus rucking, mauling, scrummaging and their own specialised skill for their position.

To say that Union forwards have a limited skill set is a blatant falsehood.

 

[Canard]

League forwards have no specialised skills, all of them do the same thing. Catch, run, tackle and pass.

Union forwards have all the aboves skills plus rucking, mauling, scrummaging and their own specialised skill for their position.

To say that Union forwards have a limited skill set is a blatant falsehood.

Why is it that Union forwards, in your mind, have specialised skills for their positions, but not League forwards? Sounds like lack of knowledge of the game.

Are you trying to tell me that a hooker does the same thing as a prop??

 

[Everlovin' Antichrist]

Yeah, he is.

Butters is the worst troll here, he basically knows nothing about anything, he just likes to jump on other troll's bandwagon.

 

[Butters]

Why is it that Union forwards, in your mind, have specialised skills for their positions, but not League forwards? Sounds like lack of knowledge of the game.

Are you trying to tell me that a hooker does the same thing as a prop??

I tend not to classify a League hooker as a forward as alot of them switch between hooker and halfback in their careers. To me a hooker is just a half that "packs" into the scrum.

Asides from the hooker what League forwards have specialised skills for their position? They all do the same thing, some just more than others.

 

[Perth Red]

There are plenty of backs who can make the switch to RL and their true talents come to the fore, forwards? Your having a laugh!

 

[Bulldog Force]

I'd love a game where one half is RU and the other is RL, as opposed to a match where they try to blend the 2 games together. FFS.