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boxhead

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How would we have got him for 25? He was sold for 32. It was reported you asked for 23 and we agreed on it. Then you went back and asked for over 30.

Come on bud. Get those white tinted glasses off, (i guess you have two pairs of those ;-)), as a player Suarez is better than Higuain. You won't find me arguing what Suarez is like as a person though.

I'm not defending Bunniesman, i'm defending Arsenal.

No i don't, because there isn't any there. Wenger obviously sees Suarez for 40-50 mill as a better deal than Higuain for 32. It's obviously a risky move because we may not even end up with him, but that's how he's decided to do things this window. He's played it safe for almost a decade, it's about time he took some risks. Paying 32 million wasn't the problem. Paying 32 million for Higuain was.

Wasn't the big hub-bub when the deal stalled that the clubs were a few million in difference? It doesn't surprise me that he went to Napoli for 32 million as Madrid would've known Napoli were a lot more desperate and willing to spend after they sold Cavani. Didn't Napoli only really come into the picture after Madrid raised their price?

I didn't say I think that way, I said some do. Regardless, the difference is nowhere near worth 18+ million pounds, and I've watched both of them enough to know that.

And so you shouldn't. The idiot is the literal kiss of death. I pray you manage to pick up Suarez, but the adage must be repeated, "at what cost".

And this is my - and others - issue with Wenger. 32 million for Higuain is a better deal than you will find for many strikers of his quality; heck, Spurs are probably about to sign Soldado from Valencia for around 26 million, and he has a good couple of years on Higs. Going for Suarez for probably more than 50 million - you watch, the more desperate Arsenal become, the more Liverpool will raise the stakes - particularly given Liverpool don't want to strengthen Arsenal at any point is not only incredibly risky, particularly given his dramas, but many would say absolutely moronic. Suarez may be the better player, but he's not worth 18 million more and he is not worth the gamble of your big transfer target when Liverpool may turn around and add an additional ten million on the current asking value just to ward Arsenal off.

If they sign him, he will of course do well. My issue is, they could have had very similar returns for much less.

It's that sort of thinking that lead you guys to buying average players like Adebayor, Sigurdson and Dempsey and not going for a decent striker. You could've spent that 10-13 mill on someone like Damiao.

It's impossible to tell at this stage if he's made the right decision or not.

The problem with Damiao for many of the seasons we've tried to get him is due to Inter doing an about face most of the time and saying he isn't for sale until a given transfer window, at which point we were already forced into another plan and left without the sufficient funds to get him without jeopardizing stadium plans and the like. The club has moved on and rightfully so, we can't afford to waste time anymore with the chance of Bale leaving next season.

It's impossible to tell darn near anything, but that doesn't excuse anyone from calling it out as poor judgement. You imply that we made a mistake by getting Adebayor, Dempsey and Sigurddson, but even though it hampered us last season, not getting Damiao may pave the way for us getting someone better. Well I'm going to say - as I'm sure many others will - that Higuain would have been the better deal, especially given the Arsenal midfield, and avoided a potentially listless transfer window than going for Suarez.

By the way, Siggy was a cheap squad signing and utility player. We signed him well before we were in for Moutinho, so he was hardly a "desperation" signing or anything of the sort.
 
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BunniesMan

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People thinking Rooney is available for 30m are crazy.

And Suarez is younger and fitter with his best years ahead of him. Rooney is carrying extra weight and may never get back to where he was.

We'll get Suarez for 40m + addons and it'll be a fantastic deal for Arsenal.
 

boxhead

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Keep dreaming. 40 million? Uh-huh.

You don't need Suarez. You need a top quality striker, and you missed out on one that would have done the same job for 18+ million pounds less.
 

boxhead

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I'm referring to the fact that Brendan Rogers has publicly said "50 million", as opposed to the 40 million figure being thrown around by BM. Even recent articles I've seen highlight that Arsenal bid 40 million - activating Suarez's release clause - but it has been rejected. Unless there actually is something we don't know about that clause, I doubt 40 million will be enough by any stretch.
 

Tyrone Biggums

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Wasn't the big hub-bub when the deal stalled that the clubs were a few million in difference? It doesn't surprise me that he went to Napoli for 32 million as Madrid would've known Napoli were a lot more desperate and willing to spend after they sold Cavani. Didn't Napoli only really come into the picture after Madrid raised their price?

It coincided with Napoli selling Cavani. Madrid knew Napoli had money and were desperate for a striker. Personally i think we made a mistake parading our 70m transfer budget around. You guys knew we had the money and after haggling for a few weeks realized we could afford more and you raised the price.

I didn't say I think that way, I said some do. Regardless, the difference is nowhere near worth 18+ million pounds, and I've watched both of them enough to know that.

There's obviously not 18m pounds difference. But that's what you've gotta pay when you're buying from a "rival".

I have no doubt in my mind that if someone like PSG or Madrid came in for Suarez they'd be able to pick him up for 40 mill.

And so you shouldn't. The idiot is the literal kiss of death. I pray you manage to pick up Suarez, but the adage must be repeated, "at what cost".

He's borderline world class. He was pushing Van Persie all the way last season for the golden boot till the merkin went and bit someone.

And this is my - and others - issue with Wenger. 32 million for Higuain is a better deal than you will find for many strikers of his quality; heck, Spurs are probably about to sign Soldado from Valencia for around 26 million, and he has a good couple of years on Higs.

Soldado is a year or two off 30 and has never played in the PL. You'd be have been better off going for Benteke for that money imo. Obviously it's too late now but if you had offered Villa 26 i think you would have got him.

Going for Suarez for probably more than 50 million - you watch, the more desperate Arsenal become, the more Liverpool will raise the stakes - particularly given Liverpool don't want to strengthen Arsenal at any point is not only incredibly risky, particularly given his dramas, but many would say absolutely moronic. Suarez may be the better player, but he's not worth 18 million more and he is not worth the gamble of your big transfer target when Liverpool may turn around and add an additional ten million on the current asking value just to ward Arsenal off.

It could could work both ways. The dickhead is suspended for the first 6 games so it doesn't matter if we have to wait till deadline day to pick him up. They won't want to hold onto a player as miserable as he is for another year and they'll want to move him on with enough time to bring someone else in.

If they sign him, he will of course do well. My issue is, they could have had very similar returns for much less.

I'm guessing Wenger thought he was going to be able to get Suarez for 40. Reports are going around that both Suarez and his agent thought that 40m clause was a release clause so it wouldn't be so outlandish that Wenger may have thought the same.


It's impossible to tell darn near anything, but that doesn't excuse anyone from calling it out as poor judgement. You imply that we made a mistake by getting Adebayor, Dempsey and Sigurddson, but even though it hampered us last season, not getting Damiao may pave the way for us getting someone better.

Not getting Damiao last season cost you a CL spot.

Well I'm going to say - as I'm sure many others will - that Higuain would have been the better deal, especially given the Arsenal midfield, and avoided a potentially listless transfer window than going for Suarez.

That's how Wenger is playing it. He's probably tired of looking for the best deal. That's how he ended up with players like Gervinho. As i've said, it's a risky move but it's too early to say it hasn't worked out for him.

By the way, Siggy was a cheap squad signing and utility player. We signed him well before we were in for Moutinho, so he was hardly a "desperation" signing or anything of the sort.

How much was Sigurdson. A quick wiki search shows it was 9 mill. That's not cheap for a squaddie. Especially for a team who has f**k all money. As Twizz pointed out earlier.

I wasn't saying he was a panic buy btw. I was just pointing out that going for quality over quantity doesn't always work.

If you didn't jump the gun and go for Sigurdson so early you probably would have got Moutinho. If we got Higuain for 32 and Suarez went to Madrid for 40 everyone would be asking why we didn't just stump up another 8 mill and gone for a PL proven striker.

It's way too early to say if Wenger has made the right move or not.
 
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Tyrone Biggums

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boxhead

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It coincided with Napoli selling Cavani. Madrid knew Napoli had money and were desperate for a striker. Personally i think we made a mistake parading our 70m transfer budget around. You guys knew we had the money and after haggling for a few weeks realized we could afford more and you raised the price.



There's obviously not 18m pounds difference. But that's what you've gotta pay when you're buying from a "rival".

I have no doubt in my mind that if someone like PSG or Madrid came in for Suarez they'd be able to pick him up for 40 mill.



He's borderline world class. He was pushing Van Persie all the way last season for the golden boot till the merkin went and bit someone.



Soldado is a year or two off 30 and has never played in the PL. You'd be have been better off going for Benteke for that money imo. Obviously it's too late now but if you had offered Villa 26 i think you would have got him.



It could could work both ways. The dickhead is suspended for the first 6 games so it doesn't matter if we have to wait till deadline day to pick him up. They won't want to hold onto a player as miserable as he is for another year and they'll want to move him on with enough time to bring someone else in.



I'm guessing Wenger thought he was going to be able to get Suarez for 40. Reports are going around that both Suarez and his agent thought that 40m clause was a release clause so it wouldn't be so outlandish that Wenger may have thought the same.




Not getting Damiao last season cost you a CL spot.



That's how Wenger is playing it. He's probably tired of looking for the best deal. That's how he ended up with players like Gervinho. As i've said, it's a risky move but it's too early to say it hasn't worked out for him.



How much was Sigurdson. A quick wiki search shows it was 9 mill. That's not cheap for a squaddie. Especially for a team who has f**k all money. As Twizz pointed out earlier.

I wasn't saying he was a panic buy btw. I was just pointing out that going for quality over quantity doesn't always work.

If you didn't jump the gun and go for Sigurdson so early you probably would have got Moutinho. If we got Higuain for 32 and Suarez went to Madrid for 40 everyone would be asking why we didn't just stump up another 8 mill and gone for a PL proven striker.

It's way too early to say if Wenger has made the right move or not.

That sounds about right, and it is annoying as I would've rather had Higs at Arsenal, personally. People forget I sort of support Arsenal - I'll be damned if I want another team winning the title before them or Spurs.

That's my issue though, I'm sure there are other strikers besides Suarez in that 32 million pound area that they could go for and get similar returns. I just don't see him being worth that much money.

But 50 million, particularly for a player that is as likely to get suspended for half a season as he is to pick up a serious injury? He's a great player but when you have players like Wilshere and Cazorla to work off, the differences however minor or major between players like Suarez and Higuain become far less acute. I just do not see the value there, and it is a major risk to make him the priority target given Liverpool's probable stance.

I'm mixed on this, Soldado may not be proven in the EPL but he's played quite a bit both internationally for Spain and in the UCL, and he's experienced. At this stage, all Benteke may be playing for is a high-paying contract at a high-table team; at his age, he's as likely to fizzle out as he is to keep going, and for others teams too, mind. Soldado definitely is the backup option though.

Of course, but they may play the waiting game ala Spurs with Modric and force him to stay for another year. If Suarez plays like crap, clubs will move on to new targets and be unappreciative of his attitude. If he plays great, Liverpool's value will only go up. This is where I feel they can hold the cards, particularly as he probably doesn't want anymore bad press after the recent fiascos.

That's true, but I do wonder if Arsenal may have gotten Higuain earlier in the window? Regardless, at least if they get Suarez, even if they have to over-pay....agh you've convinced me. He will play well regardless, but I hope Arsenal don't have to over pay too much if they do indeed get him.

It could be argued as much that not getting Moutinho did the same thing, though I think the lack of good depth up front and in midfield cost us as well.

We will see. If Suarez even signs with Arsenal is yet to be decided.

For someone that fits into nearly any midfield or attacking position in our team and generally does a very fine job, I think he was worth it personally. Aside from his mediocre early season form he's been good for us.

Moutinho didn't come down to money, the deal was agreed and everything but Porto didn't organize the deal with Moutinho's sponsors or some stuff like that. Basically, it wasn't our fault at all, it was completely Porto's stuff up. As for Suarez at 40 million and Higuain at 32 million, you have to remember that Rogers said 50 million was Suarez's asking price in general; it may not just be for EPL teams.
 

AusKnightRKO

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Well at least Higuain is still coming to the Emirates..... For the Emirates Cup.

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The New Fabregas!!!!
 
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WireMan

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I think we need a bit of nasty in us. We've been too nice too often and it has cost us games and trophies. We crumbled in 2011 when we had a real chance at winning the league in the run home. We've crumbled countless times in cups.

Being a bit nasty could have been the difference between winning and losing to Barca in 2011, Milan in 2012 and Bayern in 2013.

Suarez is a dog, and I think we need some of that.

And as nice as they were it didn't stop RVP and Fabregas leaving us. So I'm not attached to individual players as much anymore. All I care about is improving our chances at winning the league, and Suarez does that.

He isn't that kind of nasty though. He is the do something stupid and miss half the season nasty. That does not help you win sh*t. For example Liverpool FC have become a laughing stock of world football because of him and in return he led them to the dizzy heights of 7th.

RVP has the kind of nasty you need, Ole had it for us, Ian Wright and Berkamp had it for you.

Your problem is Wenger is not good at finding them types of players, that is why his team was so good when it was half his (the fancy half) and have Grahams (nasty half). As Grahams players retired they were replaced by softer players so you look very pretty when you play but ultimately come up short.
 

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He had a team built to play to his strengths last season and he was still shite.

His first touch is diabolical, he's mentally weak, his positioning is embarrassing and he has lost the pace he once had. He's a flat track bully when playing against lower league and bottom of the table teams.

But don't let that stop you, 17 million and to be free of his wages would be an incredible deal.
 
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