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Mascord: Rugby league, your image stinks, fix it.

gUt

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This.

If our league players cut out the stupid stuff, there will be nothing for the media to report. That would then render all of these comparisions and conspiracy theories of how the media treat different codes etc entirely irrelevant.

League is a popular game, and the media exists to make money (readers, clicks, listeners, stringing out stories for days) from popular things. The responsibility lies with the players choosing to undertake these acts in the first place, that's where the buck stops.

We can demand that league players don't assault people or rape or commit actual crimes and if they do, they deserve what they get so long as it's the same as any other citizen would get. We can also accept that the media would be interested in reporting it, fine.

But they will never cut out doing "stupid stuff" while league is played by rich, cosseted jocks who get their egos stroked every day, have women throwing themselves at them and who are generally naturally aggressive types. Pour alcohol into the cocktail and see what happens. We can accept the media would be interested in using these sorts of incidents for their own ends as well, fine.

We can further note that these exact sorts of things - both criminal and merely stupid - happen in all codes and sports oh and every other area of life as well.

But what we want, and don't get, is a sense of proportion and fairness in the media's reporting of these things. By asking (pointlessly) for equal treatment we are NOT saying that it's the media's fault that Todd Carney likes to be photographed apparently pissing in his own mouth.

Further, we're asking that the reputation of the entire RL community not be castigated over and over as being part of some culture that condones or excuses public mouth pissing behaviour. This is what we get though. Want proof? Watch Offsiders or one of those shows this weekend.
 

gUt

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Yes I would be tempted to flip them off but I'm a little smarter than to actually do it.

ok so you'd just let them film your party and hassle your guests as they come and go. They win either way I guess.
 

bartman

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@ Danish (post #100)
Keep up the good fight... but the "fight" is clearly irrevelent when these indivudals so regularly manage to get themselves in the headlines and drag the image (and perception) of our code down.

You can't blame the people who have opinions. You can waste time blaming the media or comparing how they treat different codes, without understanding simply that there will be greater amounts of media coverage of the more poplar sports.

Or you can rightly blame the players, and focus on what we (the code) can do better to change the one thing we can largely influence and control - the behaviour of our highly paid "employees", who rely on our code for their livelihoods. Fix the problem where it starts - player behaviour - and everything else will follow.
 
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Chook Norris

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Are those views the fault of the NRL or of your girlfriend's family? I'd argue the latter.

There's no one answer to that question, mate. Yes people should seek to be more informed instead of blindly believing all the hysteria the media likes to fabricate, but fact is those views wouldn't arise in the first place if the NRL was able to effectively manage those issues.

Cases such as those involving Robert Lui, Isaac Gordon, Kirisome Auva'a, Todd Carney etc etc. Is that the public's fault?
 

bartman

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But what we want, and don't get, is a sense of proportion and fairness in the media's reporting of these things. By asking (pointlessly) for equal treatment we are NOT saying that it's the media's fault that Todd Carney likes to be photographed apparently pissing in his own mouth.
That might be what you (and others) want... but to me (and others), comparative media is merely a side issue, a symptom of the behaviour that generates it in the first place.

For example, Carney's fate was sealed without a single "media" article being published between the tweeting of the photo and the Sharks Board decision. The media has nothing to do with what's happened o Carney, other than reporting the aftermath (which they are entitled to do), if they feel it will make money for them - and a highly paid idiot caught pissing in his own mouth surely will!

Further, we're asking that the reputation of the entire RL community not be castigated over and over as being part of some culture that condones or excuses public mouth pissing behaviour. This is what we get though. Want proof? Watch Offsiders or one of those shows this weekend.
But we (the code) are a culture that has condoned shit like this, time and time again.

This is the third club from which Carney has been sacked. If we'd really wanted to make a difference to the reputation of RL as a community, we would have just f**ked him off the first time, let him go and play for Artherton Roosters and think about getting a real job - and not registered another NRL contract to let him play for Sydney Roosters (or for the Sharks, or for some other NRL club next year). Ditto for every other dumb merkin whose behaviour brings the game into disrepute.

It's a privilige to play Rugby League. If young guys coming through get the message they only get "one shot" at the big time, they'll know they can't afford to f**k it up - the stupid behaviours will decrease, no longer have support from teammates and peers, drop out of RL culture, and (over time) the reputation of our code will climb above that of the other codes - and the media representation will follow.
 

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Almost certainly knows everything we know?

He'd know a hell of a lot more than us. It's probably part of the motivation for his rant.


I meant the fact he bothers to single out the NRL from the four other major leagues and make a nice "AFL is female friendly!" dog-whistle when the female attendance figures are a reflection on the AFL's Melbourne obsessive attendance culture. Not much else to do in Perth and Adelaide except go to the footy. Melbournians go because if they don't, they will become an exclusion to approximately 80% of all conversation between Victorians. Having to sit out under the shitty Melbourne winter sky with nothing better to do than watch a bunch of men fumble about for 100 minutes over 4 hours is still considered a better fate than social exclusion. If you haven't been to the footy in the last 12 months or know if your team have won or lost within 24 hours of the final siren, you must be a) Ethnic and probably a soccer hooligan b) No neck Thugby rapist who sniffs other men's arses and probably beats their partner on account of enjoying watching Thugby. or c) Imbecile who doesn't "get" football and is therefore a bit special. But that's okay, they all come around one day- they just need to see a live game and we'll have them for life too!

But nothing to do with some "respectful towards women" culture within the game right down to the playing ranks, as Mascord is clearly implying here- we know that and he knows that. Hence he is deliberately turning a blind eye to the AFL for the sake of this article...
 
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bartman

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Or maybe he just doesn't really care about AFL? And cares about league so much that his article is a plea for our code to do something about things it can control - rather than worry about comparisions etc.

Why deny our code has an image problem? Why look to blame anyone other than the employees of the code itself?
 

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I Not much else to do in Perth and Adelaide except go to the footy.

:roll: :crazy:

I was amazed at the afl games I have been to just how many women and kids are at their games. Plenty at RL games as well but not close to the make up of an afl crowd. Must be because there is nothing for women and kids to do n Perth either lol.
 
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Sports media in Australia is all kind of bush league in my opinion. Say what you will about the over-saturation and commercialisation of American sports media - but their analysts treat the game with respect that borders on reverence. We could use a dose of that professionalism here.
I agree that America has some of the best, but I guess it's a big pool. Alot of American sports coverage is still garbage (see first take) with similar horrible personality's. But there are plenty of good ones there as well, some of the baseball stuff I listen to is great. Really good broadcasters who don't get in the way of the action, merely complement it.

I think some of the stuff on the ABC was good but I'm not a huge fan of the direction they've gone in recent seasons.

I'm not sure this is the right way to go either TBH, that's how you get the no-questions-asked fawning the Victorian game enjoys.
It's funny how this is criticised on here, and I agree that it's not great. Yet apparently this is what people want regarding rugby league coverage as well, because anytime ridiculous incidents come up the first port of call is to blame the people for reporting it, not the people themselves.


It's hard and it's unfair sometimes life. Yes the media beat our scandals up like meringues. Yes the media ignore AFL scandals (on a related note I see BunniesMan defending his beloved AFL again like the ignorant f**king bellend he is despite the RAPE charges laid today) and certainly suppress them in NRL states. But of we as a code don't give them things to beat they'll eventually lead themselves down the path of ridicule trying to beat up nothing.

I mean for f**ks sake HE PISSED IN HIS OWN MOUTH. The fact that we as a community aren't pointing Carney to the exits as one is absolutely mindblowing and kind of sad.

If footy players don't piss in their own mouth, shit in hallways, punch each other at mad Mondays, drink drive, go the gash grab and beat their girlfriends, and equally if the NRL comes down like a tonne of bricks on each and every incident (including automatic life bans when assaults against women are involved) our game will be so much better for it.

The media won't stop their behaviour because they're merkins, so we have to give them nothing to report on.
I agree with alot of this.

AFL has several incidents similar to ours, but they haven't been having shitting in hallways, pissing in their own mouths, simulating oral sex from a dog or anything as almost comically ridiculous as that. They also don't have current players moaning about not being able to beat each other up or laughing over mad monday fights.


I generally agree with the article. Mascord isn't my favourite ever journalist, but to doubt his passion for the game is ridiculous and he, unlike say Weidler, Rothfield, Wilson, writes with the best interests of the game in mind. He's particularly passionate about the future of the international game, one of the few voices in that regard.

The American sports example mentioned earlier is probably where Mascord was going with his frustrations at lack of access to players. There is a heap of access with american sports players and as noted elsewhere in this thread it helps connect the fans to the teams and the players, enhancing the game.

This is where part of rugby leagues image problem comes in. Say what you want about the respective sports, personalities or whatever (and frankly the AFL guys are generally just as boring as the RL guys) but the AFL players when interviewed are generally clear and articulate. I don't think public speaking as it is necessarily equals intelligence but it certainly projects a better image.

With a few exceptions most RL interviews are horrible, a mixture of cliche's and Yeah and Umm and "the boys dug in" and such. There are some good players out there, Mannah is one, but not many.

The blaming of the media for simply reporting both the relatively harmless but incredibly stupid behaviour of some players to go with the genuinely poor behaviour (the assaults and the gropes and such) is pretty embarrassing, frankly. Whilst it's obviously far, far from a majority, there is some poorly behaved players. High profile sportsmen doing poor things will make the news - the best defence is probably learning a bit of common sense on not carrying on like a f**kwit in all walks of life.

The AFL thing is very funny as well. If you don't care or dislike the sport so much why do so many keep bringing it up at every turn. If someone does something poor it's not condemnation of there actions, it's "Oh if an AFL player did this he'd probably be knighted or some shit." It's all just a diversion from facing up to terrible behaviour from players that should simply be condemned. Honestly, the like of El D and the fight club regulars are exactly the same as the AFL obsessives they love mocking.

Rugby League is a great game but it has thrived on a chip on the shoulder element for a large portion of it's history, and it really lets us down in addressing these sort of issues that Mascord has outlined.
 

gUt

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This is where part of rugby leagues image problem comes in. Say what you want about the respective sports, personalities or whatever (and frankly the AFL guys are generally just as boring as the RL guys) but the AFL players when interviewed are generally clear and articulate. I don't think public speaking as it is necessarily equals intelligence but it certainly projects a better image.

With a few exceptions most RL interviews are horrible, a mixture of cliche's and Yeah and Umm and "the boys dug in" and such. There are some good players out there, Mannah is one, but not many.

Sad but true, the same goes for most of the 'personalities' that front shows like the footy show.
 

TheDMC

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League has way too many emotionally stunted munters who struggle to put together a basic sentence. And that's just the bloody commentators.

Those in the forum whinging about unfair media coverage, or who get their panties in a twist about AFL doing this and that, sorry but that is a lame attitude.

League has a severe 'we are hard done by' siege mentality, which does the sport no favors.

Great game though.
 
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ParraEelsNRL

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I agree the NRL is better at it now. It's sections of players letting everyone down. I'm sure there are plenty of players saying 'great, here we go again' with Todd.

I agree AFL is tawdry too. I'm glad NRL deals with their shit. But I also don't want to see cretins plaing no matter how talented they might be.

Hey Bob.
 

franklin2323

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Now I have fox I see some of the other codes here and overseas. Pre and post match player stuff is a million times better and erudite and entertaining. Most leagues can't string two thoughts together without smirking and acting the buffoon. Talented footy players but not much in between the ears some of them.

What other sports are you talking? US Sports? They have players that come through college so are more educated then most. Even still NFL have a plenty that have done jail time playing and one currently under investigation for murder.

RL and AFL for that matter get players from any walk of life and are straight into being role models. Some will stuff up I can honestly only think of a handful playing atm that done anything remotely criminal. Yet the media has them pinned as All scum
 

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Are you bloody serious? The NFL has a f**king disgusting record of player behaviour.

We offer contracts to drunks after kicking them out of clubs, they offer contracts to f**king murderers and rapists and herald them as champions.

The premier league? Didn't a bloke shoot a team mate at training last year? Not to mention the fan violence. A bloke got arrested last season for punching a bloody police horse FFS :lol:

I'm sure if you lived in the UK you'd read plenty about footballers up to no good in the rags over there like we do in Oz about league players. The fact they are all paid millions per year so can afford to pay hush money to pricks that take photos (it's a regular occurance) is the only reason why less incriminating photos get around.

Herndanez is on charges for Murder currently.

Not just EPL. A team is being looked at for match fixing in the WC and a dude got suspended for biting... Facts always overlooked by our media
 

franklin2323

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There's currently a thread on this forum listing the bad boy team. It's full of everyone who's done some rotten stuff.

The sad thing is that it's hard to choose players as there are unfortunately so many options for most positions.

The truth is that for every role model there is a village idiot and for every good story there is another drunk incident.

The media are not to blame, the individual player is and if you can't act like a professional on $500k a year then you don't deserve a contract.

If you piss in your mouth do you go to jail? Or shit in a hallway? hell even Monaghan's wasn't illegal. What about Mitchell Pearce's last night out? All were not acceptable for High profile people but not hanging offences.

As these things come up they get dealt with and move on. Thet will always happen just need to be sensible when they do.
 

ram raid

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It's a peoples game. We like to bubble. Soon some innovative up and comer will find a way to lay on his back with his legs in the air and blast a torrent of runny brown stink juice from his asshole to his mouth. The bore water bubbler. When that happens we will just have to shut up and pay our respects.
 

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