Matthew Johns sex scandal in 2002

[JW]

how would i know

watching Gallops press conference now and one journo asked "why is it that only Rugby League players who do this and not other codes?"

the answer is the media only ever highlight league

That's a pathetic question. Any idea who the journo was?

 

[El Diablo]

That's a pathetic question. Any idea who the journo was?

nope

they didn't say their names or who they worked for

it sh*ts me no end that every other code can get away with murder

and it can't be just a coincidence that every media outlet goes soft on AFL and has a go at league over anything and everything

 

[dannyboy]

...there's posts all over the joint saying how mothers will not let their sons play league from now on and if they want to play sport they can play AFL

This type of reaction always makes me wonder why the mothers are not confident that they can raise their sons to have respect for women and not get drawn into the same rubbish as some of their knuckle dragging team mates. Do they not get respect from within their own family?

 

[myanonymoususername]

nope

they didn't say their names or who they worked for

it sh*ts me no end that every other code can get away with murder

and it can't be just a coincidence that every media outlet goes soft on AFL and has a go at league over anything and everything

Obviously the AFL has really sh*t hot media management people, and great relationships with their media, while the NRL just has sh*t ones. Maybe the NRL should go talk to the AFL and find out what they need to be doing better?

 

[melbourne_belle]

^Ok...then how about we just keep our heads in the sand and continue ignore the apalling behaviour of footballers then.

I'm glad it was aired - Things need to be done about these footballers.
These players, the ones that can't keep their d*ck in their pants...it's them bringing the game down...not the media.

I agree that it is the players bringing the game down but I am not glad this tripe was aired last night.

While I think that Charmayne Palavi is a whorebag twat, no one deserves to be sexually assaulted and these notions about her or any of them deserving it is utter caveman bullsh*t, no matter how "liberal" someone is, it does not mean they deserve to be raped or taken advantage of. Yes IMO these girls need to learn to respect themselves but no one has the right not even football players to take advantage of any female in these circumstances.

These players that are bringing the game down with this behavior need to take a good look at themselves and stop shooting the game that is providing them with a living in the damn foot. Disagree or not about the content of last nights program, there is obviously a problem with a group of players that need to grow up and stop thinking with their ball sacks. These females would not be on 4 corners or today tonight with their "stories" if they didn't have the ammo to start with in the first place.

 

[El Diablo]

Obviously the AFL has really sh*t hot media management people, and great relationships with their media, while the NRL just has sh*t ones. Maybe the NRL should go talk to the AFL and find out what they need to be doing better?

doing what?

i've just watched Sky News and this never got a mention

Second footballer assault charge likely

whenever a league player farts it is mentioned on the hour every hour

what can the NRL do about media bias?

 

[JW]

Not to mention the AFL's infamous "favourable coverage" deal.

 

[Shorty]

I'm watching the piece now and cannot understand your post at all Tim.
From reading this thread one would think it was a huge agenda against league, when clearly...it's trying to point out the problems of drinking in society (both girls and boys) and the effect alcohol has on young men.
It's about alcohol consumption and the effect it has on young men in sport.

Some of you need an uppercut.

 

[El Diablo]

Not to mention the AFL's infamous "favourable coverage" deal.

stuff like this

http://www.smh.com.au/news/football/we-are-not-out-to-gag-sbs-says-football-chief/2005/11/08/1131407636275.html

As part of the previous deal with Rupert Murdoch's News Ltd and Kerry Packer's Nine Network, the AFL secured guarantees about editorial coverage. News undertook to provide marketing and support in its newspapers and Nine agreed that ACP, Mr Packer's magazine publisher, would generally support the AFL and run a minimum of four stories a year to promote its growth and development. While the AFL rights deal is confidential, the undertakings by News and Nine are revealed in court documents filed in Seven Network's lawsuit over the demise of its pay TV arm, C7. The AFL's general manager, broadcasting, strategy and major projects, Ben Buckley, refused to comment. A spokesman for the National Rugby League, John Brady, said it had never done deals such as the AFL's where it tried to "legislate the outcome" of editorial coverage.

god only knows what their new deal states

this only came out because of the C7 court case otherwise it would have never been known

 

[Frailty]

There seems to be a prevailing attitude throughout this forum and through a lot of league circles that 'the media is picking on us'. But yet they do nothing about it? And I'm not saying attack the media, but how about doing something on your own image.

If you come down tough on these sorts of incidents, create a zero tolerance policy, there will be little for the media to report on apart from the NRL taking a genuine stance again poor behaviour of players. This is the only way to change the image, not by standing there going 'but... but... but... the AFL does it...'.

The NRL needs to get tough on ALL off-field behaviour.

 

[Scorpio30]

http://www.news.com.au/couriermail/comments/0,23836,25465464-952,00.html

The comments on here all seem to follow 2 distinct directions so I thought I'd put a different one forward. I'm a university student. I have self respect and was brought up in a good loving home. I'm not a s**t. I've also engaged in group sex with high profile football players. At no point did I ever feel nervous for my safety but at the same time I was always close to sober. I had sex with this group on and off for the better part of 7 months. They got what they needed from it and so did I. It was just something I did for a while. They aren't all complete w*nkers though. Most of them were respectful and careful not to do anything that I didnt consent to- they actually felt the need to ask me afterwards if everything was ok and that I wasnt going to turn around later and claim rape- something normal guys wouldnt bother to ask. I feel sorry for the girl because I know that situation would have been intimidating and difficult to escape from had she tried. I feel sorry for some of the nice footballers that get tainted with the same brush as the egomanic tools they associate with. But its not always like that and I felt that maybe people should realise that too.
Posted by: other side of the story 12:38pm today
Comment 228 of 246

Slluuuut! :lol:

 

[StormChaser]

Charmayne's group on Facebook is growing http://www.facebook.com/group.php?sid=a9a9ef47af8173b8f1360745050df336&gid=76641283049&ref=search

 

[myanonymoususername]

doing what?


what can the NRL do about media bias?

Media management is an art form. AFL clearly does it much better than NRL.

 

[bluesbreaker]

I'd just like to say a big f**k you to all you trackhead Raiduh supporters claiming Tilse was a scapegoat. Should've taken the word of someone who actually you know, lived in Truskett house?

 

[Shorty]

There seems to be a prevailing attitude throughout this forum and through a lot of league circles that 'the media is picking on us'. But yet they do nothing about it? And I'm not saying attack the media, but how about doing something on your own image.

If you come down tough on these sorts of incidents, create a zero tolerance policy, there will be little for the media to report on apart from the NRL taking a genuine stance again poor behaviour of players. This is the only way to change the image, not by standing there going 'but... but... but... the AFL does it...'.

The NRL needs to get tough on ALL off-field behaviour.

Spot on.

http://www.news.com.au/couriermail/comments/0,23836,25465464-952,00.html

The comments on here all seem to follow 2 distinct directions so I thought I'd put a different one forward. I'm a university student. I have self respect and was brought up in a good loving home. I'm not a s**t. I've also engaged in group sex with high profile football players. At no point did I ever feel nervous for my safety but at the same time I was always close to sober. I had sex with this group on and off for the better part of 7 months. They got what they needed from it and so did I. It was just something I did for a while. They aren't all complete w*nkers though. Most of them were respectful and careful not to do anything that I didnt consent to- they actually felt the need to ask me afterwards if everything was ok and that I wasnt going to turn around later and claim rape- something normal guys wouldnt bother to ask. I feel sorry for the girl because I know that situation would have been intimidating and difficult to escape from had she tried. I feel sorry for some of the nice footballers that get tainted with the same brush as the egomanic tools they associate with. But its not always like that and I felt that maybe people should realise that too.
Posted by: other side of the story 12:38pm today
Comment 228 of 246

Slluuuut! :lol:

LOL Self respect?:?

 

[Dazzat]

Lady Godiva, that is a high horse you have there.

Really! I find it quite easy to treat my woman like a princess because I respect her, and she is an awesome incredible person. In fact I enjoy treating her well.

It's amazing that I'm accused of being on a "high horse" just for suggesting we should treat women well ... is that to say the norm should be to disrespect women?

And you know what ... I have rejected advances from younger women (and attractive) because I love my wife ... shock horror! And I don't regret it at all.

But anyone who's only motivation for communicating with women is to satisfy their own sexual desires will obviously find these thoughts completely foreign ... that's OK. I'll continue to swim against the tide, because I have found this to lead to a great relationship with a great woman.

 

[Timmah]

On the assertion from some that league is doing nothing to change it's image, I offer the following from Gallop's press conference today:

Gallop, however, said "the game, the clubs and the vast majority of players have devoted a enormous effort to cultural change" since the 2004 incident in Coffs Harbour, where a number of unidentified players were accused of gang raping a young woman.

"There's no doubt the work we are doing is worthwhile and needs to continue."

http://www.foxsports.com.au/story/0,8659,25467626-23214,00.html

Newcastle in the program last night were evidence there are clubs headed in the right direction.

I'm watching the piece now and cannot understand your post at all Tim.
From reading this thread one would think it was a huge agenda against league, when clearly...it's trying to point out the problems of drinking in society (both girls and boys) and the effect alcohol has on young men.
It's about alcohol consumption and the effect it has on young men in sport.

Some of you need an uppercut.

I think you've missed my point. For the program to be taken seriously by ALL, it needed to have complete credibility and introducing women lacking that, in my opinion Sarah Durazza (sic) and (in most people's opinions) Charmayne Palavi, they risked that in a big way. Putting aside the hard-hitting side which has hopefully put the message across in no uncertain terms that the behaviour is unacceptable in every way, those two women just served as a means to bash RL IMO, they didn't do anything in the way of achieving the program's quite noble purpose.

Finally, if you think women like those two have nothing to do with some of these situations, then you've got another thing coming :lol: at the end of the day though the clubs and the code can only deal with their players and as long as they educate them hopefully they'll start to learn.

 

[Timmah]

Charmayne's group on Facebook is growing http://www.facebook.com/group.php?sid=a9a9ef47af8173b8f1360745050df336&gid=76641283049&ref=search

How often do you speak about yourself in third person? :lol:

Anyway, it's plain to see Palavi and Durezza both used this little program to further their own careers and profiles...

 

[bartman]

point is: in a country like australia, we need to get the whole sex affairs thing sorted. People expect players to be a little bit more upstanding.

Exactly.

Did you watch it? If you have seen it you'll know exactly why I described her the way I did and you'll then see why I've had I think five people completely agree since. She almost seemed like she had to reassure herself at times, it looked very un-genuine (if that's a word).

Crikey, that's dribble... "seemed like", "looked very" - judgemental much? Take the blinkers off.

Perhaps the reason you can quote five people agreeing with you, is when someone disagrees you've deflected it as some personal thing against you, and asked people not to persist. I think there's five people posting that disagree with you too...

I've said what I said - I don't agree with you. If she didn't want to be there, if she wasn't wanting what was happening, she had the opportunity to say, the opportunity to scream. The depth of her description doesn't imply she was too drunk or drugged to be able to resist - quite the contrary.

Massive lack of understanding of the power relationships evident in a cross-gender, weight of numbers, and difference in ages scenario right there. Yeah, the young naive woman had to do was stop "enjoying" it and muster up the courage to say the word "stop", and it all would have been fine... :roll:. It took someone (was it reported to be Gallen) saying "I think she's had enough" for it all to stop.

On Palavi, as much as she is a character to deride, there were a couple of good points she made imo. She illustrated how focused on sex/genitalia that footy players who swap phone numbers are, with the photo messages they promptly send (that aren't just of their torso), and she described just how frequent toilet sex is in a nightspot that league players frequent in Qld.

League's image doesn't need protecting, it needs enhancement and this program in some respects might have helped. My issue is the use of questionable witnesses and interviewees. That doesn't apply to all the women and men interviewed by the way, but in particular the two I've referred to.

I would say our game's image needs "development" and a change in player attitudes to women (and alcohol), which also requires pulling our heads out of the sand and not focussing on the credibility of certain women over the actual issue being talked about by them?

Kin dof the same as you've asked people to do in this thread by not focussing personally on you, even though you accuse people who disagree with your take on things of not watching the program :roll:

People will doubt the validity of some of the claims based on the inclusion of those two women.

People who for some reason want to doubt the validity of the program will focus on Pavlavi... to be honest, in discussions with real life non-forum people today, not many have been distracted from the issues in the program by Pavlavi's presence, I can assure you.

We should get real - accept there's an issue and encoruage the league to improve its (pathetic, judging by Gallop's quotes) response, rather than attack the messenger(s) and achieve no change between now and the next expose in ten years.

 

[Rastus_in_Melbourne]

I find it disturbing that these discussions about allegations on Rugby League players always fall back to a 'them vs us' thing with AFL. Forget the AFL. They have their own problems to look at. To simply compare notes is not actually accepting that there is a problem. The one comparison you can draw is that it is a reflection on Australian sportsmen that this happening across codes. The bigger question is if it is a reflection on Australian men as a whole?

The question is how do you stop men who play Rugby League (who are role models and high profile men in Australia) from acting in ways that are obviously socially unacceptable? Sure I accept that some of these situations are media beat ups or money chasing opportunities, however the frequency that allegations occur is an indictment on these men placing themselves in situation that are high risks. How can some men manage to play Rugby League and have a clean image for a whole career, while others fall constantly into these situations? How do you break down the real allegations from the frauds? Clearly, the NRL has spent a lot of money educating the players, however it is also clear the message is not getting through.

I"d rather hear ideas on how the NRL and clubs can clear some of these situations from occurring, rather than a score sheet with the AFL or Union.

Well said.

How can anyone be surprised by the behavior of players when even fans in this forum want to give them a free pass on pack rape.

All codes have some kind of issue, but league needs to address it's own.