Matthew Johns sex scandal in 2002

[Sam I Am]

Where did implicitly state she was?

Here:

It sounds like it's all well and good for these women to parade themselves around and act like pieces of meat.

 

[Newcastlerabbit]

I wonder if Reg will continue to lick women on the ear.

Reg,will cease to exist after last nite.

 

[sharko]

That Brisbane bar you can go to and supposedly pick up an NRL player seems to encourage or promote binge drinking by the look of it, they will lose their licence if they are not careful..are the Qld drinking laws more relaxed than other states.

I though toilets were for taking a slash or a number two not a defacto rooting stop..times must have changed.

And the state of some of the dunnies in Qld after a few of the locals have staggered in and pissed on the ground and filled the toilets with dunny paper and crapped on to that , you have to be pretty desperate to get amorous in that enviroment, the stench is enough to knock you down sometimes.

 

[Timmah]

Here:

A generalisation I'd do well not to make next time I suppose, doesn't change the fact you focussed on the ONE who obviously didn't and took my point, yet again, out of context. Dribbler.

 

[Sam I Am]

A generalisation I'd do well not to make next time I suppose, doesn't change the fact you focussed on the ONE who obviously didn't and took my point, yet again, out of context. Dribbler.

I note, Flaccid, that you completely ignored my expose of your hypocrisy! :lol:

Here it is again, just in case you forgot:

Quote:
Originally Posted by Timmah
As a final point, wake up to yourself when it comes to arguing - this isn't about personal matters. I don't know you and you don't me. Play the ball, not the man.

Wake up to yourself, Flaccid. Talk about hypocritical:

Here are some of your comments from the last few days:

• F**k me you QLD morons are nutters...
• Because you lot in Queensland tend to generalise... :lol:
  
• The game's being played in Gosford you f**king dunce,...
• I don't think he's suggesting they take part in RL part-time you goose,...

You've been caught out again, chump.

If I was a lawyer I would say that I have title to you.

 

[Rexxy]

For the record, here is the full team list for the game. 10 in the room eh? I bet there are some nervous names on this list....Although with a cone of silence you have to feel sorry for the blokes who weren't involved - being tarred with the same turkey baster and all that. Hang on a minute, where's Firman?

TEAMS ANNOUNCED FOR WARRIORS VS SHARKS TRIAL
Saturday 16 Feb 2002 11:34
by Michael Garbutt
The teams have been announced for today's trial between the New Zealand Warriors and the Cronulla Sharks in Christchurch. A crowd of 12000 is expected to attend what should be a well-contested battle.

The teams for the match are:



CRONULLA SHARKS
Team: David Peachey (c), Colin Best, Chris McKenna, Paul Mellor, Matthew Reick, Matthew Johns, Preston Campbell, Danny Nutley, Dean Treister, Andrew Pierce, Paul Gallen, Karl Lovell, Nick Graham
Reserves: Brett Kimmorley, Sam Isemonger, Dean Bosnich, Nick Paterson, David Tangata-Toa, Pat Gibson, Michael Sullivan, Paul Franze.

 

[bartman]

Wasn't Brett Firman mentioned as first man in? He's not even on the team sheet...

 

[Rexxy]

Wasn't Brett Firman mentioned as first man in? He's not even on the team sheet...

As the Fonze used to say "Exacta mundo".

And LOL at Dean Triester. He always struck me as the sort of bloke who would drop his dacks and have a pull at the first sight of a mates bouncing white bottom.

 

[Green Machine]

lol

the ABC would have been lying

they had enough resources to have a go at the NRL last time they did an AFL story

they're just tabloid trash

Funny that some people are taking 4 corners line as justification as to why Rugby League should be singled out over off field incidents

Sunday, on the Offsiders, Caroline Wilson was really showing the teeth with off field Rugby League incidents.

She seemed to say a lot about nothing when the topic moved to the Michael O'Loughlin, Peter Burgoyne and Adam Heuskes matter. She got very defensive when Roy mentioned the only reason St Kilda named the players in their little incident was because they had already been identified in the media. Then when they spoke about how Sam Newman had belittled her on the AFL Footy Show and she seemed quite happy to let the matter rest and not take it any further.
Interesting to here the comments of the Knights CEO with the radio interview this morning. Watching it last night, to me it seemed 4 Corners did not tell the Knights which way the story was going to go. Not that I’m condoning what happening in Christchurch in 2002,

 

[Timmah]

I note, Flaccid, that you completely ignored my expose of your hypocrisy! :lol:

Here it is again, just in case you forgot:

Quote:
Originally Posted by Timmah
As a final point, wake up to yourself when it comes to arguing - this isn't about personal matters. I don't know you and you don't me. Play the ball, not the man.

Wake up to yourself, Flaccid. Talk about hypocritical:

Here are some of your comments from the last few days:

• F**k me you QLD morons are nutters...
• Because you lot in Queensland tend to generalise... :lol:
  
• The game's being played in Gosford you f**king dunce,...
• I don't think he's suggesting they take part in RL part-time you goose,...

You've been caught out again, chump.

If I was a lawyer I would say that I have title to you.

What relevance does this have to the topic at hand? Stick to discussing the important issues this thread approaches rather than derailing it with a crusade against me.

 

[Sam I Am]

What relevance does this have to the topic at hand? Stick to discussing the important issues this thread approaches rather than derailing it a crusade against me.

Well, Flaccid, you are the one who introduced it into the thread, as clearly indicated in the quote above. Not me. I merely responded.

Sorry that you have been exposed. Again. :lol:

On topic: These grubs who gangbang need to be wiped out of the game.

 

[Brutus]

Well said and I'm glad someone's highlighted that. It sounds like it's all well and good for these women to parade themselves around and act like pieces of meat. Both sides of the fence need to learn to respect themselves.

bartman, if you think that article accurately summarises the 48 minute program you've either not watched it all, watched it in part, or closed your eyes and blocked your ears for half of it.




My analysis:

Let me preface my remarks by saying there is clearly a problem with some people in the game. These kids get the superstar tag too early and get over-confident. There is simply no denying that. Alcohol is an issue to be looked at - the Knights came out of it smelling like roses as they should have. The culture change there is to be applauded under Brian Smith. I do believe there are a lot of clubs heading in the right direction, but there's a long road to travel there.

For me though, the program’s credibility was shot to pieces in three big ways.
- Sarah... surname escapes me... Durezza? – the woman whose father was in the altercation with Watmough – she comes across as dishonest, immature and to be perfectly honest, a rotten liar. Almost as if she’s telling a story rather than relaying facts.
- At what point did the Cronulla ’02 woman bother to say no? I’m sorry but there’s an onus on her to not partake. The grey areas described in the last few pages by ibeme and PBB aside, the depth of description she’s gone to throughout the interview tells me she was fully aware of what was occurring throughout the incident. I have no doubt she suffers mental scars but at what point did she withdraw consent? The sexist notion that consent is a one way street (that men must assume it all) is archaic as it is ludicrous. If she doesn’t want to be there, she says no, screams, gets out of there. Whatever - but she gets herself out of that situation. If they pursue the matter from that point then it is criminal and proof can be gained if they use force. In the end, there’s no excusing the “up to 11 peoples” (or 12 if you believe bartman's article he posted) actions – although they appear legal and consented based on police investigation and the act itself is not something most people find normal.
- Charmayne Palavi. The entire program took a massive hit by bothering with her. She has no credibility. Her accusations of rape are absolutely disgusting and completely without merit. Her story appears baseless and quite frankly she comes across as overly confident to the point of dishonest. I have no doubt there are plenty of players out there, around that age, that are hot-headed, full of piss and self-important... but her credibility is through the floor. Her public image is no secret and to suggest it would be dragged through the mud if she reported her supposed experience... it’s akin finding dog sh*t on a lawn recently fertilised with chicken sh*t – it all stinks.

I want league’s image cleaned up as much as the next person. I don’t want other codes’ players to be committing similar sins and escaping it. I don’t want players private lives, their sexual lives, made public unless a criminal accusation is made and later proven. I don’t want every groupie thinking they can make a quick buck (as no doubt Palavi did). I want a better future for this game but my fear is with the media climate (i.e. saturation) that even the innocent incidents that may occur, and in some cases complete lack of incidents, that our game may not be able to clean that up, simply due to the amount of people out there seeking to damage the sport we love.

In summary, the fact my tax dollars paid for that smear campaign makes me sick. I hope it does it’s job to help mend league’s tattered image but I fear it’s done much worse, and probably damaged it further. I would not be surprised to see tape on jerseys in the coming weeks at some clubs as sponsors decide it's all too much.

On a final note I’m considering lodging an official complaint with the ACMA in regards to the display of pornographic images. Pictures of erect penises have no place on television. If you want to see that rubbish, go rent a porno. Who approved that crap?

Very good post Tim. I never thought I'd say it, but I agree with you completely on this one.

 

[Timmah]

Maybe I should post at 3:00am more often, I'd make more sense :sarcasm:

 

[butchmcdick]

Funny that some people are taking 4 corners line as justification as to why Rugby League should be singled out over off field incidents

Sunday, on the Offsiders, Caroline Wilson was really showing the teeth with off field Rugby League incidents.

She seemed to say a lot about nothing when the topic moved to the Michael O'Loughlin, Peter Burgoyne and Adam Heuskes matter. She got very defensive when Roy mentioned the only reason St Kilda named the players in their little incident was because they had already been identified in the media. Then when they spoke about how Sam Newman had belittled her on the AFL Footy Show and she seemed quite happy to let the matter rest and not take it any further.
Interesting to here the comments of the Knights CEO with the radio interview this morning. Watching it last night, to me it seemed 4 Corners did not tell the Knights which way the story was going to go. Not that I’m condoning what happening in Christchurch in 2002,

It doesn't matter what AFL players do. All I care about are what players in the game I follow do.

Also by the logic of some here no charges were laid against the AFL boys so they are completly innocent. Also the allegation where made on Four corners whcih some here say is a crap show. Some seem happy to quote the program when it concerns AFL players yet when they talk of NRL player suddenly the show is sh*te.

I am not saying anything illegal happened in NZ. What I am saying is that it is a bit concerning that a group of players feel it is acceptable to watch their teamates have sex whilst they openly masturbate in front of each other. They also seem to feel it is ok to be the second, third, forth etc man in. That is not the image the game needs nor is it acceptable behavior. This on top of the broncos in the toilet fiasco last year, the bulldog fun at coffs and even though charges were not laid you have to admitt that there is a pattern of behavior here.

 

[Newcastlerabbit]

As reported on Fox Sports.

 

[Timmah]

NRL responds to Four Corners report

NRL.com

National Rugby League Chief Executive, Mr David Gallop, has issued the following statements in relation to tonight’s Four Corners programme:

“The programme dealt with issues that I would hope everyone in the game finds appalling and unacceptable.

“The distress of the victims spoke for itself and to the extent that the game can apologise for the actions of individuals then I offer that apology unreservedly.

“It is important, however, to understand the very substantial efforts the NRL, the clubs and the players have made in changing attitudes, particularly since 2004.

“It is also important to recognise the clear actions taken by the NRL and our clubs against those who breach our codes of conduct.”



http://www.nrl.com/News/Latest/tabid/10244/default.aspx?id=54832

Was responded to last night tbh

 

[Newcastlerabbit]

M.Johns playing second fiddle to Brett Firman. :roll::roll:

 

[Eskimo Sharkie]

I am not saying anything illegal happened in NZ. What I am saying is that it is a bit concerning that a group of players feel it is acceptable to watch their teamates have sex whilst they openly masturbate in front of each other. They also seem to feel it is ok to be the second, third, forth etc man in. That is not the image the game needs nor is it acceptable behavior. This on top of the broncos in the toilet fiasco last year, the bulldog fun at coffs and even though charges were not laid you have to admitt that there is a pattern of behavior here.

Agree wholeheartedly.

 

[TheBourbonBeast]

Standard response, but a good one. Now i really wanna know what channel 9 are gunna do with johns...

 

[Azkatro]

Very good post Tim. I never thought I'd say it, but I agree with you completely on this one.

I actually think it's a lot of rubbish.

For me though, the program’s credibility was shot to pieces in three big ways.
- Sarah... surname escapes me... Durezza? – the woman whose father was in the altercation with Watmough – she comes across as dishonest, immature and to be perfectly honest, a rotten liar. Almost as if she’s telling a story rather than relaying facts.

Amazing character analysis there. I'm amazed that in one interview, where she talks about one incident in which the perpetrator was punished and hence considered guilty of the crime, you've deduced her as a 'rotten liar'. Where's Watmough, or Manly, denying anything she said?

- At what point did the Cronulla ’02 woman bother to say no? I’m sorry but there’s an onus on her to not partake. The grey areas described in the last few pages by ibeme and PBB aside, the depth of description she’s gone to throughout the interview tells me she was fully aware of what was occurring throughout the incident. I have no doubt she suffers mental scars but at what point did she withdraw consent? The sexist notion that consent is a one way street (that men must assume it all) is archaic as it is ludicrous. If she doesn’t want to be there, she says no, screams, gets out of there. Whatever - but she gets herself out of that situation. If they pursue the matter from that point then it is criminal and proof can be gained if they use force. In the end, there’s no excusing the “up to 11 peoples” (or 12 if you believe bartman's article he posted) actions – although they appear legal and consented based on police investigation and the act itself is not something most people find normal.

I love your sense of authority and all-encompassing knowledge on this topic. Like a woman who has found herself in a situation with an ever-increasing number of comparitively large football players having their way with her, has any kind of control or authority over the situation. Tell me Tim, let's say hypothetically you batted for the other team. You go back to a footy player's hotel room and after a bit, you look up to find a whole swag of them lining up to have a thrash at you. Surrounded. I'm sure you are going to confront all of these large men and say "NO! I DON'T CONSENT!", quietly get dressed and leave the room. No, chances are you're going to be absolutely sh*tting yourself and hope they don't hurt you. Remember, this was a young, naive 19 year old woman involved. A woman in that situation surrounded by men all asserting themselves on her isn't exactly going to feel in control.

- Charmayne Palavi. The entire program took a massive hit by bothering with her. She has no credibility. Her accusations of rape are absolutely disgusting and completely without merit. Her story appears baseless and quite frankly she comes across as overly confident to the point of dishonest. I have no doubt there are plenty of players out there, around that age, that are hot-headed, full of piss and self-important... but her credibility is through the floor. Her public image is no secret and to suggest it would be dragged through the mud if she reported her supposed experience... it’s akin finding dog sh*t on a lawn recently fertilised with chicken sh*t – it all stinks.

I concur on your feelings that people's perception of this woman is not great. She goes after footy players and she's not ashamed to admit it, even though she has kids. But she still has a right to consent. What she has described is something that you'll probably find is nothing to do with rugby league players, but society in general - how often would women find themselves too drunk or out of it to realise they're involved in a sex act? For all we know, Palavi consented in some way but forgot or didn't realise because she was too intoxicated. That is not a crime, that is a mistake. But the issue is not about crime, the issue is about consensual sex. She has brought up something that is probably the biggest grey area in history, and is certainly valid for discussion.

I want league’s image cleaned up as much as the next person. I don’t want other codes’ players to be committing similar sins and escaping it. I don’t want players private lives, their sexual lives, made public unless a criminal accusation is made and later proven. I don’t want every groupie thinking they can make a quick buck (as no doubt Palavi did). I want a better future for this game but my fear is with the media climate (i.e. saturation) that even the innocent incidents that may occur, and in some cases complete lack of incidents, that our game may not be able to clean that up, simply due to the amount of people out there seeking to damage the sport we love.

What you have described there is very noble, Tim. But it is completely off the mark. I can't believe you'd watch a documentary like that, and come out of it crowing that league's image needs to be protected. Miss the point much? How about at least acknowledging that rugby league players need to learn how to treat women in modern society? That part pass you by, did it? The way you have responded is almost like you're more interested in dodgy behaviour being covered up to protect the game's image, as opposed to the dodgy behaviour being cleaned up for the greater good.

In summary, the fact my tax dollars paid for that smear campaign makes me sick. I hope it does it’s job to help mend league’s tattered image but I fear it’s done much worse, and probably damaged it further. I would not be surprised to see tape on jerseys in the coming weeks at some clubs as sponsors decide it's all too much.

It's not the program you should be worried about, it's how the tabloids react. I was reading articles about it today and you could just about quote the entire program from the bits and pieces floating around. It just goes to show that many newspaper and commercial TV journalists are looking for someone else to do their work for them. THEY are the ones you need to be worried about, not ABC, not 4 Corners and not Sarah Ferguson.