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MES - Sage Fires up!

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Great piece on Ch7 news just now with Sage showing the embarrasing conditions in the changing rooms at MES. Had to laugh at Waldron trying to say that MES wasn't that bad! Sage is doing a great job putting the pressure on the Govt to upgrade MES, time for the Force and Reds to jump in and add to the pressure.

ps Great to see NRL drawing a bigger crowd than they have managed for EPL teams!
 

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Who's this Sage fella you speak of? Is he someone involved in WA union?
 

Nicolas Hart

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Who's this Sage fella you speak of? Is he someone involved in WA union?

I have no idea who "Sage" is, but... I think he's related to Soccer, Nuke.

The Perth Glory v Fulham match was held last night at MES.
 
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Tony Sage, the guy who owns Glory and paid out hundreds of thosuands to get the EPl teams here. They showed the icebaths in the changing rooms which consisted of wheelybins filled with ice water!
 

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Tony Sage, the guy who owns Glory and paid out hundreds of thosuands to get the EPl teams here. They showed the icebaths in the changing rooms which consisted of wheelybins filled with ice water!

That's ok .. most clubs use green-bins filled with ice water :)
 

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i thought it was pretty much the norm??

Yeah it is the norm.

Unless you're a club like Collingwood in the AFL, who have a multi-million dollar sport-science department, with equipment to match, practically all clubs use something as simple as green bins + ice.

A few places have purpose-built ice baths (tiling, and the like); but it's fairly rare for that to be the case anywhere, except for elite sides at the top level.
 

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A few places have purpose-built ice baths (tiling, and the like); but it's fairly rare for that to be the case anywhere, except for elite sides at the top level.

like a EPL side?!

i suppose Sage is just playing on the fact that the wheelie bins don't look professional
 

Nicolas Hart

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like a EPL side?!

i suppose Sage is just playing on the fact that the wheelie bins don't look professional

Yes, like an EPL side. Who has millions of dollars at their disposal.

It's hardly fair to make this comparison between Fulham, and a struggling Perth Glory in the midst of the Hyundai A League - which is partially a joke in itself.

Wheelie bins get used by tonnes of semi-professional, and fully professional clubs. I've seen fully fledged Rugby (union) clubs using them.

Sage is just being a douche if you ask me. I'm sure his agenda was appropriate (ie: attempting to encourage the upgrade), but the point itself wasn't as successful.
 
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you think? I'd be embarrased if i was him. It's like inviting the queen round to your house and asking her to p155 in a bucket!

It highlighted the fact that MES is woefully inadequate as a modern stadium for potentially three top flight clubs. Having recently been in the MCG changing rooms the MES ones look like the old brick block at the local park!

I'm sure a seriously redeveloped MES would be a big + in our bid for 2013 so we should all be keeping our fingers crossed that the WA Govt feel equally embrassed!

ps did you see that the cheapest ticket was $65? wot a rip off.
 

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you think? I'd be embarrased if i was him. It's like inviting the queen round to your house and asking her to p155 in a bucket!

Hardly. You need to put this into perspective. Ice bins are purely used for recovery for a brief period following the game. They're a "once-off" tool that are not high on the 'priority' list where expenditure is concerned. The Perth Glory are financially struggling on the basis of mediocre memberships, and high ground rental requirements which have long been excessive. Why would you use any limited remaining resources to invest in something as simplistic as ice-bins to "impress" the Fulham travellers? The Fulham coaching staff, administrators and players are all aware of the size and stature through which the Hyundai A-League is operated, and through which the Perth Glory exist - they wouldn't have expected red carpet service with flower boquets and queen sized waterbeds in their changerooms.

This isn't to say that Members Equity Stadium is up to standard - it is not - though it practically holds a monopoly over the market whereby sports require a rectangular field. There are no other suitable grounds as yet, as Subiaco is not an option. While this was Sage's point, I was only suggesting that highlighting the 'ice bins' as an example, is a poor illustration of his true intention.

It highlighted the fact that MES is woefully inadequate as a modern stadium for potentially three top flight clubs. Having recently been in the MCG changing rooms the MES ones look like the old brick block at the local park!

The MES is inadequate, and Rugby League, Rugby Union, and Soccer have already begun discussions between the three codes in relation to lobbying for government support in relation to the upgrade.

However, the owner of Members Equity Stadium will invest 'some' portion of money towards the project; and the title sponsor (Members Equity) should also invest financial support towards the upgrade. Additionally, it is not unachievable to seek private sector investment for the entire project. The private sector often financially backs projects such as this, especially if there is considerable return available. The government has no requirement to step-in, though we of course hope they will. If they don't, this doesn't mean the ground won't expand; it just may take longer to achieve it. Irrespective of this, the main "boost" to the grounds expansion hopes is the transferrence of the Western Force to MES. This is the largest sport to use the ground (as far as membership support, and television coverage); which will heighten the dissatisfaction amongst patrons of the ground in a spectator and club view.


I'm sure a seriously redeveloped MES would be a big + in our bid for 2013 so we should all be keeping our fingers crossed that the WA Govt feel equally embrassed!

I agree with this. It absolutely will assist our bid. Though, like most scenarios, it's a 'catch 22'; the bid will help place pressure on MES expansion, though MES expansion will help our bid.

The MES will be redeveloped, long before a new ground is built elsewhere. I believe their target is to remove the shed, replacing it (and the grassed area) with a new, northern stand; and to build another tier on the existing stands. I believe it'll be expanded to approximately 28,000 (as opposed to the current 18,000).
 

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For the record, a quick visit to the MES webpage reveals this:-

http://www.membersequitystadium.com.au/si_redev.html

Stage 1 of Members Equity Stadium's redevelopment was completed in 2004.
A selection of pictures of the redevelopment can be viewed here

Members Equity Stadium has plans for a further 3 stages of development, accommodating up to 35,000 patrons. State of the art design and world-class corporate facilities will place the venue as Australia's benchmark for sporting and stadium events

Slightly amusing that they think they'll be the "benchmark" for sporting stadiums.
 

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Current Facilities:-

The facilities for players, coaching and support staff at Members Equity Stadium include the following:

  • Rectangular playing arena, under lights (132m x 88m)
  • Training ground, under lights (80m x 50m)
  • 4 changerooms
  • 2 referees rooms
  • Provision for licensee dressing room
  • Provision for drug testing room
  • 1 first aid room
  • 1 medical examination/physiotherapy room
Where is the "Training Ground" that's under lights?
 

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That was written years ago (2005 I think) The idea was the grass car park on the East side of the ground would become the training pitch with a new East stand linking the new changing rooms to it. In an ideal world they would pull it down and start again. Turn the ground 90 degrees so the afternoon sun/wind wasn't in the face of the main stand.It should run East-West not North -South. We were promised a rectangular stadium on the site of the new entertainment centre when the convention centre was built, then promised a new ground at East Perth, then a multi purpose stadium at Subi now a possible ME upgrade. In terms of sports stadium facilites WA sucks! WC Eagles must be frustrated. they have sold every seat before the season kiks off with 5,000 more on the waiting list! They could easily draw 60,000+ if they had a bigger AFl stadium. Considering we have had 5 years of Billion$ plus suprluses in WA it is a disgrace that we have no world class sporting facilities.
 

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well when everyone is there maybe we can borrow the western forces ice baths. they dont have bins.
 

Nicolas Hart

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The MES is inadequate, and Rugby League, Rugby Union, and Soccer have already begun discussions between the three codes in relation to lobbying for government support in relation to the upgrade.

Not to say "I told you so" , but the government is now (finally) pushing for a significant upgrade of MES. The wheels are in motion.
 

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Do you think? It sounded like another fudge by this Govt to put off making a decision to me. A $2mill bandaid to keep everyone quiet for another year or two. Why not set a plan to upgrade a stand at a time and get started now? Like all the other major projects in the city they are just putting it off, thank god they have already started the entertainment centre!
 

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