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Mickey Arthur Sacked

aqua_duck

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No surprise that our fast bowling attack gelled very well under McDermott's tutelage during the 2011/12 summer, and bowled with consistency. No surprise things slowly gravitated back to what they were before after McDermott left.

To think we had a choice between Wasim, Waqar and some Tasmanian no one had ever heard of and CA in all it's wisdom went for the latter. Then again CA actually think cough lollies Cooley did a good job
 

Twizzle

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if Boof comes in as coach he then becomes a selector, which is a step in the right direction
 
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How much of that high ranking is part of the hangover from when Australia used to be great?

Honestly I think the current team (unless with a fit Michael Clarke) would struggle to beat the entire top eight except the West Indies. The presence of Clarke still won't be enough for most away games and anywhere against England and South Africa.

Its a 4 year ranking.

Its been a lot longer than 4 years since we were a great team.

Just last summer if we had of beaten south Africa we would have taken the no.1 spot. And we really pushed them all the way.

In our last 40 odd test matches we have won 22 and lost 16.

In the past two years we have beaten Sri Lanka, India and the west Indies in a series and have drawn a series with south Africa.


Mate, you're wrong.
 

Dr Crane

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it's like you couldn't let england look silly by themselves for more than five hours. sort it out!
 

BunniesMan

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MICKEY Arthur's sacking says everything about the shambolic state of a cricket system trying to look tough when, in fact, it is as fragile as a diet biscuit. Just as was the case with the Homework Four in Mohali, the decision to sack Arthur is a bit like a lax parent letting their kids run off the leash then, in a reckless attempt to recapture control, suddenly belting them over the head with a rolled up phone book.

What a shambles.

Australia's slipshod cricketers, David Warner in particular, owe Arthur an apology.

Had they shown him the respect he deserved this would never had happened.

I started to fear for Arthur a good man with honest principles the morning after Warner abused myself and Malcolm Conn on Twitter during the Indian Premier League.


Arthur told me Warner told him an hour before that he had not touched a drink in recent weeks in the IPL.

In the following weeks other players told Cricket Australia staff that information was incorrect and they were worried about Warner's attitude.

Had Warner not punched Joe Root in the head in England Arthur would have still been on trial this Ashes tour but not have lost his job.

A cringingly light penalty to Warner started a chain reaction which led to the coach's demise.

Cricket Australia's new independent board met in Brisbane the day after the penalty was announced.

Though no public statement was made after the meeting there was understood to be a theme of "where in god's name is this side going?"

This sentiment put extreme pressure on executive James Sutherland who has consistently lacked the courage to take strong stances against players.

As he has here. Sutherland could have send Warner home for punching Root.

Instead Warner could play the first Test and the coach's Australian career is over.

People may say Arthur was too soft for the job and it is true that when it comes intimidating auras, he was no Bob Simpson.

Yes, he could have been tougher. But he was no pussycat.

The spray he gave the Australian one-day team in England reportedly made paint peel from the walls.

Arthur would never admit it publicly but he is understood to have been aghast at the level of unprofessionalism of many Australian players compared to the self-reliant generally mature bunch he coached in South Africa.

Darren Lehmann should get the job and he should do well. But it won't be easy.

Behind closed doors Cricket Australia officials often say "we don't own the players anymore."

It's true. Mentally, many of them have moved on from the days when they would cringe at the thought of being disciplined by an Australian coach.

Now, with the IPL lining their pockets, they are citizens of the world owned by no one and some behave accordingly.

It takes a strong man to reel them in and one prepared to accept that when they lapse in standards he is the man who will end up being the one who pays with his head.

http://www.news.com.au/sport/cricke...-arthurs-sacking/story-fndpt0dy-1226668774591

Some very concerning stuff there. Unlike many, I have no problem with the tough stance taken on homeworkgate. But when you back it up with the appalingly soft response to Warners antics it's just not good enough.

I don't think Arthur was the man for the job but you cannot sack him in the middle of a tour. That's disgraceful.
 

vvvrulz

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Its a 4 year ranking.

Its been a lot longer than 4 years since we were a great team.

Just last summer if we had of beaten south Africa we would have taken the no.1 spot. And we really pushed them all the way.

In our last 40 odd test matches we have won 22 and lost 16.

In the past two years we have beaten Sri Lanka, India and the west Indies in a series and have drawn a series with south Africa.


Mate, you're wrong.

Its been a steady decline, your 2009 side was still decent (but not great I agree) and Clarke was a *huge* reason you managed to compete against South Africa. He's been the best batsman in the world for a more than a year.

What I said was that if you fielded your best XI tomorrow you'd be on par at best with the entire top 7, and Clarke would get you over the line for about three of those teams.
 

vvvrulz

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Ugh there is the IPL rearing its ugly head again. Tt hasn't ruined cricket yet but its definitely damaging aspects of it, especially team culture and respect of playing for your country.
 

Mr Spock!

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Its a 4 year ranking.

Its been a lot longer than 4 years since we were a great team.

Just last summer if we had of beaten south Africa we would have taken the no.1 spot. And we really pushed them all the way.

In our last 40 odd test matches we have won 22 and lost 16.

In the past two years we have beaten Sri Lanka, India and the west Indies in a series and have drawn a series with south Africa.


Mate, you're wrong.

The loss of M. Hussey changes that.

We no longer have a middle order. We have 4 openers, Clarke, then the tail.
 

some11

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Rock bottom in the form of losing back to back Ashes series should be enough to see those at the top out on their arse.
 
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I said "unless with a fit Michael Clarke", who was hugely influential in that series as usual. He's basically carrying the team.

And without Warne and McGrath we wouldnt have won as many tests in that period either.

We are no way near as bad as you're making out.

Our pace bowling depth is some of the best its been for a long time for instance.

On a normal wicket ( ie. Not a dust bowl) we still have a good shot at winnimg because we can take 20 wickets.
 

Meapro Ham

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All seems very muddled and confused to me. Was Arthur sacked for imposing too much discipline (the homework debacle) or not enough (defending Warner)?

Boof is no doubt a good choice if they want someone who can relate to the players but if they're looking for a disciplinarian he hardly seems the right guy.

Anyway its all deckchairs on the titanic unless they can find a decent top order.
 
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Its been a steady decline, your 2009 side was still decent (but not great I agree) and Clarke was a *huge* reason you managed to compete against South Africa. He's been the best batsman in the world for a more than a year.

What I said was that if you fielded your best XI tomorrow you'd be on par at best with the entire top 7, and Clarke would get you over the line for about three of those teams.


Actually, that's not what you said.


This is.



the Australian team is simply full of very average cricketers who can't win anything because they lack the skill.


And that statement may be correct about our batting line up, but it's completely wrong when it comes to our pace attack. Who can keep us competitive by taking 20 wickets.
 
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And just to illustrate the point


Peter siddle, 150 wickets @ 28 , strike rate 57
James Pattinson 40 wickets @ 23 strike rate 43
Ryan Harris 47 wickets @ 23 , strike rate 49


These are not 'average' test match bowlers.

And with starc, bird and Faulkner we have some nice back ups.


Pace bowling depth in Australia is good at the moment, its what will keep us competitive through this lack of quality batting.
 

Mr Spock!

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Short memories.

Hussey was terrible for at least 2 years of the past 4.

Yeah you're right If only he could've been as good as Watson/Warner/ Cowan/Hughes.:sarcasm:

Hussey's worst series would be very much par for the course for those blokes.

What's killed us is guys who started well like North, Marsh and Hughes have fallen in a heap and became worse when they should be getting better.

Our pace attack is our strength if they can last a test without one of them breaking down.

I'd be concerned about Siddle though. He started the Indian series underdone and I don't know how much bowling he's done lately.
 
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I'd take Hussey's "terrible" any day of the week at the moment.


Lol, rose coloured glasses.

2008 & 2009 he averaged in the mid 30's.

Ie. No better than our worst now.




Dont get me wrong, I love hussey. But we managed to win tests without him being anything more than ordinary.
 
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Yeah you're right If only he could've been as good as Watson/Warner/ Cowan/Hughes.:sarcasm:

Hussey's worst series would be very much par for the course for those blokes.

What's killed us is guys who started well like North, Marsh and Hughes have fallen in a heap and became worse when they should be getting better.

Our pace attack is our strength if they can last a test without one of them breaking down.

I'd be concerned about Siddle though. He started the Indian series underdone and I don't know how much bowling he's done lately.


I wasnt bagging hussey, but pointing out that we managed to win tests with him playing very ordinary cricket.
 

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