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Money Money Money, must be funny, in a rich clubs world

blacktip-reefy

Immortal
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You have wasted your time there Aries trying to discredit me.

It is the model that is important, not the figures you pulled out.
Logic says that. They are in the US & this Australia. Very different.

Whilst you are feeling studious, check out the packers site for info on why they are doing so well. They should have a history section somewhere detailing "ownership".

IF you want to discredit me, debate the model.
 

Aries

Bench
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blacktip-reefy said:
You have wasted your time there Aries trying to discredit me.

It is the model that is important, not the figures you pulled out.
Logic says that. They are in the US & this Australia. Very different.

Whilst you are feeling studious, check out the packers site for info on why they are doing so well. They should have a history section somewhere detailing "ownership".

IF you want to discredit me, debate the model.

Just clarifying your 100k remark reefy... That I think I discredited quite well :D

and as you say, that is the US and this is Australia... so don't compare apples to oranges then yourself, as you just pointed out...
 

bubs

Juniors
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It does seem like a lot of money for the Panthers to have to spend. $8 million indeed.
They have to lease Penrith Stadium from the council. They do not own their own ground.
Security costs a lot. Someone has to keep them from bashing each other.
Then you have Football club wages. Costs a lot to keep the bean counters employed. (Just ask OUR bean counters!!!)
Marketing, getting their names and faces out there, promotions, game day advertising. All these things cost money.
But I am sure the Leagues club grants can be written off under some sort of tax exemption.
As Stan (only turkeys have left wings) Zemanek said one day on talkback radio- " It is Unaustralian not to pay as little tax as possible"
 

The Popper

Bench
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4,353
Nope. I'm not a Cheesehead. But I do admire their stuff. And I see the comparison you have with the Panthers. They love their home games - playing in the snow and freezing cold - enough to put the opposition off their game. Vince Lombardi's little comment is probably the most quoted in all football, anywhere.
And Cheese: their supporters wear big yellow plastic blocks of cheese on their heads to show who they support. That's where the word `cheesehead' comes from. I was sitting in a restaurant in Denver one time when a bloke at another table was wearing one. Crazy.

Back on the Sharks. I'm very concerned for our club's future. I was hoping Anderson was the bloke who would win us the comp which would ensure our short term survival. Maybe he still is? But when it appears he may be putting blood relations before the good of the club, maybe he's not? I was full on pro-Anderson until this latest disruption. Even though I believe the Board is also at fault, I am beginning to doubt. I hope I'm wrong.
On related pertinent issues. I believe the the success of current development proposal is essential to the long term survival of our club.
One matter that has always concerned me: Our Leagues Club was built around 1970 (I forget exactly which year). It is built away from main commercial centres and public transport routes. Shortly after our club was built the State Government introduced random breath testing. Consequently, our Leagues Club does not get the `passing trade' that favours many other clubs. Whilst we do have courtesy buses, their capacity is limited. Thus, big crowds in the Leagues Club are generally limited to football days and other functions. This must have a negative effect on the viability of the club. Whilst entertainment is reasonable, it is sparse and not world class.
I see our Leagues Club as not being able to sustain football team in the future. And the ability to support a football team will decline even further when Michael Egan's tax increase is implemented. This, of course, is true everywhere as sponsorship is now a main stream of income. Large sponsorships, however, are constantly fought for by Sydney based clubs - a problem that does not worry one-city clubs so much. Winning football teams attract sponsorship - and we haven't got one at the moment.
Our development is one way of obtaining finance and the associated investment interest in the future. The development application has been hindered by those supporting opposing interests, and includes left wing local politicians. Failure to secure the development could lead to the demise of our club. Other alternatives to ensure survival:
- franchise/private ownership (a la USA). This was once considered - Dr. Edelston
- merger with a neighbouring club (St.George Illawarra or the Bulldogs)
- relocation
Maybe I'm being pessimistic, but I think I am being realistic. There was a big black cloud hanging over Cronulla just before the advent of Super League, and I believe it has come back again. I certainly hope our current Board has the foresight and wisdom to get us out from under and take us to the top, but somehow I doubt it. With all his faults, Peter Gow was the man with the flair to do this. Now he's been knifed, maybe we should look at Singo or Gerry Harvey or a bloke like that?
Under the current situation it is very possible that we can struggle on for a number of years and continually get belted before wee eventually fold.
On the football front (what do I think):
Chris Anderson - forget the differences and get on with the job you were paid to do
The Board of Directors - stay out of his hair and let him do it
The fans - a united club is generally a strong club. Forget the bitterness of the past. Support our team and our club as a whole, and don't let issues like this bring us down.
 

bubs

Juniors
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Popper is quite correct in his above post.
Because our Leagues club is away from the main roads and public transport, it is far less frequented than say the Tradies at Gymea.
And when the tax comes in, that will really bite into the football club grant.
No grant. No Sharks. Simple as that.

I think it is a bit unreasonable to compare League with Gridiron.
Seppos over there will watch a game of football on TV whether they support the team or not. It is an American tradition and pasttime.
Here in Australia (generally) we say bring on the Sharks games, but turn off the rest of them. Except for the finals of course. Rugby League is not ingrained into our culture as it is in America with NFL.
 

carinashark

First Grade
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Good post popper ! The development is the key . The board should just leave he football club to its managers and coaches. Sink or swim guys, review the budget every year and give them what they need and stay out of the football .As for the 1.5 mil the Sharks give to the football club, thats hardly anything to the numbers they are doing every year, they could give them 2 or 2.5 mil and not feel it. All the while the Sharkes Leagues has had the football club on the cheap, even under Gow. When the development is in place the numbers will be in the black and the Sharks Leauges will have to fully fund the football club. Leave Anderson there for another year , we have Raper in place for 2005 . In a previous post the word "mercenaries" was used. What rubbish! Lang and Anderson have both brought through local juniors and given them a chance at NRL. I would like to see how other clubs compare with us , I dont think we would look to bad.
Carinashark
 

bazza

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yappy said:
Thanks Bazza. That's a big investment in the juniors, but are you sure this is actually part of the Football Club accounts? Maybe we do stuff different at Wests but our Junior League has it's own admin and own accounts. The money goes direct from the leagues club's to the junior league so it never appears on the Football Club's books. Is that how the Sharkies run their juniors? and does anyone know if Penrith does the same. Either way though I'd love to know what they are spending all the money on.

The way I read it - the Panters leagues club gives the money to the football club and they spend it on juniors - the leagues club has not funding for juniors.

As to what they spend it on - it could include subsidies/equipement for junior teams, running junior rep teams, schools programs, referees

On the NRL/Green Bay - I read a Roy Masters article about how the NFL is run - very socialist.
Basically all sponsorship, merchadising and TV is controleld by the NFL and then divided among the clubs. Even things like who advertises at grounds is arranged by the NFL and individual clubs all have to have the same advertising. The NFL recently signed a deal with Nike to make all the uniforms and merchandise for NFL teams.
Something like 85% of teams incomes is from grants from the NFL.
Add to this a draft and salary cap - and it doesn't matter too much where a team is located.
 

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