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More mud from Jacquelin Magnay and Jessica Halloran

sydraider

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Ignore these skanks. They have demonstrated nothing but gutter journalism with their pretence of anything bad said about Rugby League must be true and should be reported.

Would these two carrion crawlers be in such a feeder frenzy if this was an afl story? Not likely. They would leaping to that codes defence and watering down any and all accusations.

Don't buy the Sydney Boring Herald or log onto their web site.

Ignoring a journo is the greatest insult you can give them. Ignoring these two faceless sh*t dribblers should be every league fans' motto.

Chook.

CHOOK MATE I COULDNT AGREE MORE!
lol first time for everything huh ;-)
 

Chook

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sydraider said:
Ignore these skanks. They have demonstrated nothing but gutter journalism with their pretence of anything bad said about Rugby League must be true and should be reported.

Would these two carrion crawlers be in such a feeder frenzy if this was an afl story? Not likely. They would leaping to that codes defence and watering down any and all accusations.

Don't buy the Sydney Boring Herald or log onto their web site.

Ignoring a journo is the greatest insult you can give them. Ignoring these two faceless sh*t dribblers should be every league fans' motto.

Chook.

CHOOK MATE I COULDNT AGREE MORE!
lol first time for everything huh ;-)

It seems there is!

Chook.
 

russ13

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ibeme said:
iggy plop said:
It's typical of the floating journo at the SMH. Richard Hinds and Fitzsimmons are shockers too.

FitzSimons was on the Backpage last night. I thought he was going to explode with excitement over this mess. Carolyn Seisei (sp?) made a bit of an effort to put him back in her place by stating that it was prevalent in all sports, and when excitedly prompted by FitzSimons to name one, she came up with a few examples from other codes.

What annoyed me most though was that he thought it was his duty to remark on how nobody had come out and offered any sympathy towards the girl. In his pathetic points scoring attempt he failed to do the same thing. He simply used her to score points but didn't offer any condolences of any description. She was more of a trophy to give him gloating rights.


Spot on-I refuse to listen to him or Rebecca Wilson for that matter etc.
Was there not 4 Brumbies before the courts for assaults & GBH charges in the last few years? So when comparing the various football numbers the unions boys are probably worse. Anyway have a look what is happening in NZ:



Rugby Union's booze club culture is alive and kicking with a new survey of drinking habits revealing almost half of Kiwi players binge drink and 54% admit to drinking two or three times a week.


The Auckland survey for the the Alcohol Advisory Council (Alac) found 40% of players admit to having 10 or more drinks in one sitting, and 10% drink four times or more a week. Only 8% of rugby players never drink.

The findings follow a recent spate of off-field drunken incidents involving rugby players.

Last month alcohol was a key factor in Tongan player Sione Tuita's assault conviction after he punched a woman who had rejected his advances at a Timaru nightclub.

And Rugby Southland has been forced to ban representative players from drinking after its sevens team was dogged by allegations last month of drunken behaviour during a Queenstown tournament.

New Zealand Rugby Union deputy chief executive Steve Tew did not want to comment until he'd seen the report, but said it was "unhelpful" to isolate rugby in such a survey.

Alac acting chief executive Paula Snowden said the survey results were unsurprising. "Our information suggests it's indicative of sport and clubroom culture across the board," said Snowden, who believes increased brewery sponsorship has contributed to the problem.

"The impact of alcohol on the culture of the club is much stronger than it was. What does that tell children about the role of alcohol in their lives? You score a try under the Tui goalpost every Saturday and when you're old enough you can stand at the Tui bar and drink."

She said it was a difficult situation because sports clubs were reliant on the liquor industry to survive, "from sponsored sports gear to the money a club makes from bar sales".

"Sport in New Zealand would fall over without (the beer) sponsorship that goes into the local community at the moment."

But rugby clubs deny sponsorship is the problem.

"We certainly don't believe beer sponsorship is a saturation issue," said Tew.

"The two breweries (Lion and DB) are huge supporters of sport and other activities. I think it would it be a little selective to just consider rugby in that debate."

Lion New Zealand's sponsorship director Graham Seatter said Lion did not target rugby clubrooms in particular. "Our business is to make our products available and promote them, but we never encourage people to drink beyond safe levels.

"If they do, all they do is bring us and their club into disrepute and we'd rather that didn't happen."

He said liquor licences, which any clubroom bar needed, required responsible practices and made it llegal to serve intoxicated persons.

But Snowden said clubrooms often flouted the rules, which needed further enforcing, and the public needed to voice objections to drunken punters. "Kiwis aren't like that, but we need to demand it."

The Alac survey, which questioned 156 rugby union players aged 17-56, was part of a wider report commissioned by Alac looking at drinking culture in rugbyunion, rugbyleague, touch rugby and surfing.

Co-ordinated by Auckland University's Injury Prevention Research Centre (IPRC), the report showed rugby players' alcohol consumption increased considerably at weekends.

Massey University is holding a sport and alcohol conference next February which aims to tackle the issues. Conference organiser and Black Ferns captain Dr Farah Palmer said youths were often introduced to drinking through sports clubs.

She said it was acknowledged as a problem, but there had been little discussion about it.

"It's timely that we're having this because people are ready to talk," said Palmer.

IPRC director Dr Sara Bennett said Saturday night drinking was perceived as a reward for working and training hard all week.

Many respondents reported that drinking began in club rooms, and then progressed to bars and other venues. End of season or end of tournament functions corresponded with increased drinking, she said.

Snowden said while binge drinking was not exclusive to rugby players it was a symptom of New Zealand society.

"It's not premier players so much, it's their supporters. They have no reason not to drink."
 

russ13

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Last year Jacquelin Magnay & Jessica Halloran of the SMH wrote the article entitled "The Dark Side of the Game" from which Ms Baird (SMH Saturday 28th) quotes extensively. You may have seen the bit about the 'gang bang being a rite of passage for rugby league,' & the league culture of sharing wemon etc.

The co-authors used the Australian Sports Commission spokeswoman Debbie Simms as the source of the 'facts' that RL players were the major offenders. Here is the extract:

:While league is focused on shoring up its supporter numbers amid ever-increasing threats from rugby union, Australian football and soccer, there is no competition when it comes to sexual harassment. The Australian Sports Commission's manager of sport ethics, Debbie Simms, says rugby league is responsible for the most sexual-harassment complaints.

"On the basis of the number of sexual-harassment complaints we see, there is a far greater percentage that comes from rugby league rather than any other code, including other football codes," Simms said.

"This tends to indicate a culture in rugby league that women are not treated with the respect they should be given. This is an area not challenged by many sports, and player education and awareness needs to be addressed."

NRL chief executive David Gallop questioned the claim.

"We have certainly never heard of such a statistic and if there is such data, we would be interested in them providing it to us," he said.

"We conduct programs across all clubs through The Australian Training Company, which includes a range of issues from cultural awareness to gender issues. Our clubs are extremely responsible in terms of their obligations in educating players about issues off the football field."




I also was intrigued about the ASC 'facts' & so (last year) I wrote to the woman who was quoted in the article, Debbie Simms. Here is the relevant part of her reply:


:"...While the ASC keeps information on harassment complaints brought to its
> notice, it is by no means a comprehensive or exhaustive database. The
> information as provided covers a wide range of harassment allegations that
> come to our attention, ranging from sexist or racist behaviour to sexual
> assault. Although I referred to this information, the context was around
the
> range and extent of harassment in sport and in no way was intended to
single
> out rugby league.
>
> In relation to whether any of the complaints were handled by police - this
> is condifential information and is dependent on the complaint, whether the
> behaviour was unlawful or a criminal offence and how the complaintant
wanted
> the complaint dealt with.
>
> It is unfortunate that the informtion given during the interview was not
> presented in a more contextual manner.
>
> The ASC has also written to the NRL.
>
> Regards
>
> Debbie Simms
> Senior Sports Consultant
> Sport Ethics & Fair Play
> Australian Sports Commission"
 

legend

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Interesting angles from all sides but my biggest beef is with the Bulldogs management for failing to enforce the code of conduct which expressly forbids players from bringing women back to the hotel/resort.

Had Bulldogs management done their job in the first place, we'd all be talking about something completely different and certainly not as controversial. Players are their own worst enemy and need looking after, especially some of the younger ones who are living away from home and have suddenly found themsleves with somoe sort of iconic status and they think with that status comes unlimited power to do as they please. I'm not saying the Bulldogs are alone here but they are the ones caught red handed for not adhering to their own rules. Someone has to learn to say no to these players and teach them some values that exist in the real world.

The club had a duty of care to the players, the fans and the general public and failed all three and for that they should be punished.
 

PB

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Chook said:
Ignore these skanks. They have demonstrated nothing but gutter journalism with their pretence of anything bad said about Rugby League must be true and should be reported.

Would these two carrion crawlers be in such a feeder frenzy if this was an afl story? Not likely. They would leaping to that codes defence and watering down any and all accusations.

Chook.

If the paper was called the "Melbourne Morning Herald", then perhaps they would pay more attention to issues relating to AFL players, but its not, its the Sydney Morning Herald, and which sport sells more papers in Sydney, AFL, or NRL? Are they pro AFL, or anti NRL? If they are pro AFL then why dont they jump on every scandel involving Union.

Fact: They reported on an indecent incident this time last year involving the Bulldogs, did the league act? No!, Instead they are told they are writing rubbish they no nothing about. So it happens again. The two journo's have every right to rub it in, and write about it again. Remember theya ren't apart of the NRL marketing department, they are in the media.

Face facts ladies and gents. Whether you like them or not they brought up an issue, it has reared its ugly head again, and until players invovled in these indecent acts are punted from our game, they will continue to have amunition to bring down our game.
 

Edwahu

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They are just bad journalists. They have totally overstepped the mark.

As for the holier then thou Union people like Fitzimmons, they are either incredibly naive or incredibly stupid.
 

Chook

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PB said:
Chook said:
Ignore these skanks. They have demonstrated nothing but gutter journalism with their pretence of anything bad said about Rugby League must be true and should be reported.

Would these two carrion crawlers be in such a feeder frenzy if this was an afl story? Not likely. They would leaping to that codes defence and watering down any and all accusations.

Chook.

If the paper was called the "Melbourne Morning Herald", then perhaps they would pay more attention to issues relating to AFL players, but its not, its the Sydney Morning Herald, and which sport sells more papers in Sydney, AFL, or NRL? Are they pro AFL, or anti NRL? If they are pro AFL then why dont they jump on every scandel involving Union.

These beligerent halfwits are anti Rugby League, is that plain enough for you? If you had read any of the stories eminating from these alleged journalists you would have realised that they both hate league and would prefer to see their fav sport of afl dominate Oz. That is why thay are slurping up every peice of trash they can get their tounges around in the hope that they will be somehow responsible for bringing our code more negative press.

Fact: They reported on an indecent incident this time last year involving the Bulldogs, did the league act? No!, Instead they are told they are writing rubbish they no nothing about. So it happens again. The two journo's have every right to rub it in, and write about it again. Remember theya ren't apart of the NRL marketing department, they are in the media.

Face facts ladies and gents. Whether you like them or not they brought up an issue, it has reared its ugly head again, and until players invovled in these indecent acts are punted from our game, they will continue to have amunition to bring down our game.

You mentioned facts here, twice, but as is evident with the winggus and dinggus sisters, they fail to present facts in any one of their opinionated rubbish. They use such terms as "alleged", "overheard", "unanmed source", "it was reporetd", "sources say" and my personal favourite "a taxi driver said".

Nothing these two menstrating morons write should ever be referred to as credible.

Chook.
 

gaterooze

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They use that "taxi driver" line a lot, you notice? Seems to be their best source of hard facts, the ol' cabbie.
 

iggy plop

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rossy said:
I'm not to sure about the AFL thing. Jacquelin Magnay is a Sydney girl who went to primary school right on the border of the St George & Canterbury districts, which in the 1970s when she was there was absolute rugby league heartland.

Maybe as a former local she's pretty much disgusted by what went on... And again, there is a pretty good chance that a professional sports writer might have access to more knowledge than a lot of anonymous blokes on web forums, don't you think?

Doesn't matter where she went to school, plenty of Sydney women see it "Trendy" to support AFL - it's fashion statement when the Swans are doing well of course.

MAybe she had a bad experience with league or something. I don't know, but her agenda has been obvious for a long time now.

In fact why doesn't the SMH just come out and say WE HATE RUGBY LEAGUE!! They might as well.
 

iggy plop

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JJ said:
You guys seem to be getting awfully defensive.

The allegations agains the Bulldog players are very serious - end of story. And quite frankly, the culture in high level male team sports in AUst and NZ is to my way of thinking a big problem.

Yes we know they are serious - nobody is doubting that, but that doesn't hide the fact that the terrible twins are in operation at the SMH and loving it. They have for a long time.
 

Grantwhy

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You know - a lot of stuff like this was said about them last time too.

Right up untill the Bulldogs admitted they were over the salary cap.

That doens't mean they are right this time, but it doesn't mean they are wrong.

:oops:
 

iggy plop

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We should keep a watch on Magney and Halloran's stories everyday.

There's one today with an unamed women suggesting she was nearly raped at a Surfers Paradise hotel one time. No names, dates, nothing.

They could be pulling these stories from their you-know-whats just to fill up space and bash league even further into the ground.

Reporting on the current issue is fine - it is a shocker, but to run trash like this says a lot about their agenda.
 

ibeme

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This is the kind of reporting that frustrates me.

http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2004/03/02/1078191327115.html

Her hands went straight to her face as she walked out of Coffs Harbour police station.

She had spent the rainy morning giving her statement to detectives in a day punctuated with breaks. With her mother at her side she told her story. But there were moments when she could not go on.

When she became distraught, the interview would stop for a counsellor to step in. Other family members who were present broke down. It would take another whole day to complete her version of events. And for her family, events worsened as radio reported the details of her ordeal in the early hours of February 22.

Are the journos allowed to sit in on these interviews? I wouldn't have thought so, but the detail given here would suggest that they were there watching.

As the 20-year-old left the police station, she appeared overcome with emotion with two detectives at her side.

On the Monday she had been taken to a safe house and was ferried from there to the hospital where DNA samples were taken and sealed, tests conducted, and counselling offered.

The next day was a tiring day for her - having to dredge up every minute detail of the humid Sunday morning at the Novotel Pacific Bay resort. When she was finished she made her way down the stairs of the Coffs Harbour police station.

They know for a fact that it was tiring? It's only a small thing, but it's designed to set a mood, and they're not mind readers.

She was well groomed - red top, jeans, hair up in a bun. All signs of order and togetherness.

A witness spoke of a "sophisticated", "impressive" and "stylish" looking woman. "She was the kind of girl who wouldn't look out of place in a fine dining establishment," he said.

"She was quite impressive considering what she'd allegedly been through."

Hardly the mess she was allegedly found in at the car park beside the resort pool; screaming, hysterical and wet from the chlorinated water.

She was the woman one Canterbury player labelled a "scrag". She was the woman that same player alleges in a Sun-Herald article had sex with eight Bulldogs players during the week.

The coming days will see the players give their version of events - with their lawyers present during interrogations.

This is a blatent attempt to paint the girl as a saint, and paint the players as scum. The addition of 'with their lawyers present during interrogations' almost implies guilt. The witness describing her appearance could have been her best friend, or brother or any family member. As if they're gonna describe her any other way.

It frustrates me because it's extreme bias from journalists who are supposed to be objective and factual.

They can give the players heaps, and give the girl all the praise in the world if charges are laid, but until then, it's wrong to try to influence readers views.
 

*trojan*

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I reckon it's important to take into consideration that IF what the girl says DID in fact happen, she's got to be feeling like crap @ the moment. As far as we know, she MIGHT be telling the truth. Isn't it better to have some compassion all those involved and not rag on either party untill the facts are presented?

I fully agree that it's an average article, but I think everyone who has been reading the papers has been wondering whether or not this girl is making it up. If she is, it's deplorable, but if she's not, she IS the victim.
 

ibeme

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*trojan* said:
I reckon it's important to take into consideration that IF what the girl says DID in fact happen, she's got to be feeling like crap @ the moment. As far as we know, she MIGHT be telling the truth. Isn't it better to have some compassion all those involved and not rag on either party untill the facts are presented?

That's right. At the moment, it's not going both ways, and this article is clear evidence of that. It's completely one-sided.
 

Edwahu

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The article above by Hallaron is an absolute disgrace. One of the worst I have ever seen. Unbelievable.
 

*trojan*

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Yep. The players aren't getting the same kind of coverage, and regardless of whether or not individual players were involved, all of the Bulldogs are being looked at as rapists. I've never been a Bulldogs supporter, but I feel kind of sorry for them @ the moment. Hope it's not unwarranted....
 

gaterooze

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That article is amazing. It violates all of the journalistic tenants of integrity and factual, unbiased reporting. It reads like a bad pulp story or an article in "Take 5". The writing is laughable -- unless this is an editorial, it has no place in a serious newspaper.
 
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