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Morrisons effort v the Roosters

Utey

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I dont understand how second rate players like Burt, Graham and Wagon are in our team. I would Have Mateo over Wagon any day. If only Brian could hear me. #-o
 
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uptheeels,

You are spot on BURT, GRAHAM are totally f**ked as players. We are the laughing stock of the League everytime these type of players play for our team.
 

BlueNGoldBlood

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we need more then just a plain defender tho..when we could have morro or another new option at lock.. that will pass, run forward etc..
 

BlueNGoldBlood

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he played awsome tho saying he has only played very limited games since hes very lengthy injury.. wait till hes 100 % match fit :clap:
 

Pazza

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11.Hindmarsh
12.Cayless
13.Morrison

i dont understand why people think otherwise :?:
 

Parraren

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Pazza said:
11.Hindmarsh
12.Cayless
13.Morrison

i dont understand why people think otherwise :?:

I agree with you there Pazza. I'd play Wagon as a defensive centre on our right side and use our left side combo (Tahu-Grothe) as our major attacking weapon.
 

Pazza

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Your on the ball Parraren! That is exactly what i would do. I also rate Chad Robinson, he is a great defencive forward and gets involved in going forward. I wouldn't argue if i saw him in the #8 or #10.
 

Stagger eel

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Parraren said:
Pazza said:
11.Hindmarsh
12.Cayless
13.Morrison

i dont understand why people think otherwise :?:

I agree with you there Pazza. I'd play Wagon as a defensive centre on our right side and use our left side combo (Tahu-Grothe) as our major attacking weapon.

why?

it'll be like having 2 backrowers playing on the same side of ruck! if he's put through a gap he'd be mowed down in no time, he's as slow as a wet, wet, week
 

Pazza

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Centre is a weak position at Parramatta. Hopefully someone like Smith or Davis can develop into that centre role. Right now we lack centre options and Wagon is a much better option than Burt or Petersen.
 

Pazza

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Plus it gets him out of the forward pack and his only talent (defence) is a very important atribute for a centre.
 

Utey

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Already solid that Hindy and Morro will be our backrowers which leave Wagon to Lock or 5/8 #-o
 

True EEL

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i know all the rants and raves about Wagon and he could be useful playing in the centres still, which is the only other place i see for him than lock (or perhaps at a stretch as our bench utility)

however, there are 2 major reasons why i would play him at lock

1). he clearly plays his best and mkost consistent football at lock.....

and when the team is playing well and playing consistently, it is usually when Wagon is playing well and consistently at lock (among other things) it's true........he does all the dirty work there and when needed he seems to be able to make something happen in attack rather than being forced to come up with something at 5/8

2). limiting the number of interchanges by playing him at lock........

as much as i like the idea of playing Cayless in the second row with Hindy and Morrison at lock, who do you then have in the fron row, probably Vella and Cannings or Stringer or Robinson.......which in turn increases the amount of interchanges you have to make from the starting pack, which is then two-fold.....it creates instability on field and stiffles cohesion and obviously reduces your 12 interchanges rapidly......

if you have Wagon, Morrison and Hindmarsh all starting in the back row, you may not have to interchange them all game and perhaps only have to interchange Morrison, which leave more interchanges in the fron row to rotate Cayless, Vella, Stringer, Cannings ans Robinson.....all players who need graeter rest AND also allows more changes for bringing Piggy off and interchanging him with a proper hooker/utility..........

get the idea...........Wagon, Morrison and Hindmarsh in the bacrow means more cohesion, stability, workrate and better all-round option in my opinion

its not all about how cool and promising the backrow looks, its about what will happen throughout the game and also i believe Cayless is better off back in the #8 leading from the front..........
 

The Colonel

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True EEL said:
get the idea...........Wagon, Morrison and Hindmarsh in the bacrow means more cohesion, stability, workrate and better all-round option in my opinion

It also means predictability. ;-)
 

True EEL

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uummmm with respect Colonel......no!!!

what's predictable about rotating 4-5 front rowers all with varying games and then when needed (as i said) most probably for Morrison, bringing on one of the best impact players in the game in Dean Widders in the backrow or in the centres for an injury or variability in attack out wide??????

its not predictable at all and why would it be any more predictable than the alternative of Morrison, Cayless and Hindmarsh in the backrow?????

back up your argument with some substance and evidence of your claims.....your not Mark Latham are you??? ;-)
 

Pazza

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Wagon is great at doing the clean up work. He is a great defencive player. One of my main reasons for having Wags in the centres is to sitffen up the defence. We conceed 28 points a match. No where near good enough to be top 4 material. Playing Wingers in the centres has burnt us way too many times.

Morrison in full fitness is a 80 minute player. Teams like the Bulldogs, Roosters, Panther, Cowboys interchange players in the back row. I dont see what the issue would be?

Hindmarsh, Cayless, Morrison reminds me of Hindmarsh, Hindmarsh, Ryan. A great solid defencive back row that built the foundation of a great defencive unit.

Wagon, Morrison and Hindmarsh in the bacrow means more cohesion, stability, workrate and better all-round option in my opinion


I can't believe you said that :shock: better workrate? no way. Cayless has the skills to be an awesome backrower. There was a couple of games early in the season where he was out performing Hindmarsh. If he aint in the 12 next season then ill eat my shoe.
 

The Colonel

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True EEL said:
uummmm with respect Colonel......no!!!

what's predictable about rotating 4-5 front rowers all with varying games and then when needed (as i said) most probably for Morrison, bringing on one of the best impact players in the game in Dean Widders in the backrow or in the centres for an injury or variability in attack out wide??????

its not predictable at all and why would it be any more predictable than the alternative of Morrison, Cayless and Hindmarsh in the backrow?????

back up your argument with some substance and evidence of your claims.....your not Mark Latham are you??? ;-)

Well Morrison and Hindmarsh are both good players attacking on the fringes and would be effectively wasted hitting it straight up the guts.
In recent years however our backrowers, and one in particular, have carted the ball forward on more occassions than our props. If our props lack effectiveness which on many occassions they have tying Hindy or Morrison up in three or four man tackles stifles our go-forward. Even if they play on opposite sides we need someone who is either going to draw players away from Hindmarsh and Morrison or take the ball carrier role from them. Wagon doesn't offer a lot in attack. Hence the predictability.

The props suggested outside of Cayless have limited ball playing ability (offloading skills) and we all agree that Wagon's attacking skills are also limited. Carrying two or more front rowers on the bench can be a good idea however at least one has to offer something in attack other than good metres.

One name that hasn't been mentioned is Jack Afa. He can play up the middle or out wide and front or back. In a back row rotation with Widders I think it offers much more and less predictability.


8. Cayless
9. Riddell
10. Vella
11. Hindmarsh
12. Afamasaga
13. Morrison

14.
15. Widders
16. Cannings
17. Robinson
 

True EEL

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Colonel we bought Stringer because of a) his size and b) his ball playing ability

he can offload the ball and Vella can when on song

and Wagon does offer something in attack, when is not forced to provide the whole attack at 5/8, sorry i don't see much sustinance to your argument and again although i see Jack Afa as a good prospect for the future he is a way off getting a starting spot with the forwards available we have next year especially in the backrow, however, your welcome to your opinion, but i still disagree
 

The Colonel

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True EEL said:
Colonel we bought Stringer because of a) his size and b) his ball playing ability

he can offload the ball and Vella can when on song

Stringer looks unlikely to play the start of the season given his back injury and Vella hasn't been on song for two years. He played better this season but nowehere near what he can.
 

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