Napa sin bin

[Valheru]

I still maintain if Sims didn't move he would've been crunched by a vicious shoulder charge, you can see by the way Napa's hands flail around that his primary objective was to send him into orbit

???

The whole point here is that Napa lead with his head, front on, so if Sims didn't move how could it possibly have ended up as a shoulder charge?

 

[hellteam]

No it is logical.

I am just trying to ascertain if you lot believe leading with the head in and of itself is dangerous, thus illegal and should result in a penalty regardless of where contact is made e.g. a shoulder charge, in which case Opacic should have been penalised.

So leading with your head and dropping your eyes should always be penalised regardless of point of contact?

Not quite sure what/why you are arguing here. The first post in the thread clearly shows the rules, which state if you make contact with the head of an attacker it's a penalty. Opacic made contact with the attacker's knee. Pasted again for you

(b) when effecting or attempting to effect a tackle makes contact with the head or neck of an opponent intentionally, recklessly or carelessly.

 

[Exsilium]

Plenty of comments about Napa’s lack of intelligence but it seems some posters can’t find two cells to rub together.

 

[Frailty]

I think the argument really stems from what the historical action referees took with head clashes in the past. The rule simply hasn't been implemented in the past, and then it seems to have been used at a crucial period in a game.

I have no issue with this application in the rule, but it needs to be enforced uniformly across the competition now.

 

[hellteam]

I think the argument really stems from what the historical action referees took with head clashes in the past. The rule simply hasn't been implemented in the past, and then it seems to have been used at a crucial period in a game.

I have no issue with this application in the rule, but it needs to be enforced uniformly across the competition now.

Yep, I get what you're saying. I think in this case It was just much more obvious to the referees because Napa came in so recklessly with poor technique.

 

[typicalfan]

I think the argument really stems from what the historical action referees took with head clashes in the past. The rule simply hasn't been implemented in the past, and then it seems to have been used at a crucial period in a game.

I have no issue with this application in the rule, but it needs to be enforced uniformly across the competition now.

Because they are complete accidents are you suggesting all headclashes should be penalised? What if it was Napa who came off second best

 

[typicalfan]

Yep, I get what you're saying. I think in this case It was just much more obvious to the referees because Napa came in so recklessly with poor technique.

The same technique that he used on Lodge in the supposed hit of the week

 

[Valheru]

Not quite sure what/why you are arguing here. The first post in the thread clearly shows the rules, which state if you make contact with the head of an attacker it's a penalty. Opacic made contact with the attacker's knee. Pasted again for you

(b) when effecting or attempting to effect a tackle makes contact with the head or neck of an opponent intentionally, recklessly or carelessly.

You should try actually reading what I have said.

I agree Napa's one should have been a penalty due to the rules you have posted.

However, other posters have said that sin binning was the correct decision by virtue of the fact he lead with his head and that all instances of leading with your head should be panelised automatically (regardless of contact point). If that is the case then Opacic should have been penalised.

 

[Frailty]

Because they are complete accidents are you suggesting all headclashes should be penalised? What if it was Napa who came off second best

I am suggesting this. As the rule is written, it is the tacklers responsibility not to come into contact with the head or neck of an opposing player. 'Accidents' have no place in the rules. If you come into contact with the head or neck, you've done so either intentionally, recklessly, or carelessly (most would be carelessness).

In light of the changes in attitudes to player safety, it would make sense that this change should be made to encourage additional emphasis on reducing contact with the head of players.

 

[veggiepatch1959]

Have anybody ever seen a rugby league player tackle someone while they have their head bend back looking at the sky?

It's almost impossible to tackle without having your head as the most forward part of your body.

 

[I Bleed Maroon]

That's pretty f**king forward.

 

[Clifferd]

That's pretty f**king forward.

Imagine tackling with your head tilted back

 

[I Bleed Maroon]

Imagine tackling with your head tilted back

Or you could you know, tackle with your head upright like a normal human being.

 

[Clifferd]

Or you could you know, tackle with your head upright like a normal human being.

Lol

I’m convinced you’ve never played the game in your life

You aim for contact with your shoulder correct..?now try doing that without tilting your head forward. You cant

 

[Perth Red]

I was always taught to tackle with head to side, keep eye on opponent, hit with shoulder and wrap with arms. Cant say I was ever taught the technique you can see in that Napa photo!

 

[veggiepatch1959]

Where's this tackler's head in this illustration?

 

[veggiepatch1959]

I was always taught to tackle with head to side, keep eye on opponent, hit with shoulder and wrap with arms. Cant say I was ever taught the technique you can see in that Napa photo!

It's been mentioned numerous times that Sims moved just before impact.

 

[Perth Red]

It's been mentioned numerous times that Sims moved just before impact.

Hence why it was a reckless tackle not intentional. If it had been point of shoulder or arm that caught him then there'd be no debate. But it was his head and whilst accidental it was a very bad accident that could have been avoided with better technique, hence why I'd, and Toddy, rate it reckless.

 

[Clifferd]

Greenberg is out of sync with pretty much everyone involved in the NRL. You basically take what ever he says with a grain of salt

 

[Frank_Grimes]

Where's this tackler's head in this illustration?


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Not burrowing up towards his opponent's head? Napa knew he was going to make contact with his head as he turned his head away to protect himself at the last moment. It doesn't matter that Sims moved, Napa's tackling motion was always going to mean that his head would make first contact with his opponent. Sims moving just changed the point of impact from his chin to his jaw...