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Nathan Brown to Depart at Season’s End

BLM01

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No No f#c* No. No more old players, rookies, relatives, wife's cousins 2nd half brother blah blah at this club. It's been going on far to long. I have said here before. New Broom Sweeps Clean. The only person who is drawing a wage from this football club and has not been put on notice, should be the ball boy
You need to read my post again. I agree and said NO to Brown
No Brownie is coming here
 

SBD82

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The Dragons have no threat at dummy half. As much as I love how McInnes brings to the team in Defence, if we are being honest, he holds no fear for opposition players as a threat so it makes the job of the playmakers 5 times harder than it is for any other good team
He has shown clearly that he has a running game, but he still needs to run at the appropriate times.

We have no shape and no structure, which allows teams to condense their line and defend more players in the middle.

We also have no one that is generating quick play the balls.
 

boardlumps62

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Hope I'm in the right thread guys. But what went down in Newy was pretty cruel shit. Look at Kalyn Ponga for one and Klemmer did these guys knives Browny. Some serious shit must have went down it might come out. Why then if Mary is so shit we haven't had a revolt appears we haven't as some players still bleeding for the jumper. We lose yes but apart from first half against Chooks they kept playing?
 

Pro Dragons

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Brownie maybe a good coach but he never had the players in previous years and when he did get them they turned on him. I think Toovey, he is the bloke to instill a winning culture back into the club and that killer instinct that has gone missing under McGregor's coaching. I would also take Jason Taylor only as the attacking coach he seems to do well in that position and Toovey would keep a lid on him with his funny antics such as strange diets etc.
 

BLM01

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No No f#c* No. No more old players, rookies, relatives, wife's cousins 2nd half brother blah blah at this club. It's been going on far to long. I have said here before. New Broom Sweeps Clean. The only person who is drawing a wage from this football club and has not been put on notice, should be the ball boy
I have been noticing lately you are not as calm as you used to be..hmmm
 

denis preston

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The Dragons have no threat at dummy half. As much as I love how McInnes brings to the team in Defence, if we are being honest, he holds no fear for opposition players as a threat so it makes the job of the playmakers 5 times harder than it is for any other good team

A bit hard Dave.His forwards have hardly punched the line all year so opportunities to have a scoot or two from dummy half are about nil.If our forwards dominate everyone looks so much better.
 

BLM01

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That is why I am not watching the game against the tigers. I will be in a rain forest searching for peace and tranquility
Ok...while you there. remember just this...Mary is not going anywhere. No coach is coming here.
Then just focus on your breathing.
 

redVinme

Bench
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A bit hard Dave.His forwards have hardly punched the line all year so opportunities to have a scoot or two from dummy half are about nil.If our forwards dominate everyone looks so much better.


Pretty sure he has the leading run metres for hookers this year. He runs on instinct when he sees a gap. It's not always the right option. On 4th tackle for example But when as you say the forwards aren't making yardage I can see why he is trying to sneak any metres he can. If the forwards were laying a better platform it would allow for improved decision making from him as a run on.
 

D4L_Dave

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He has shown clearly that he has a running game, but he still needs to run at the appropriate times.

We have no shape and no structure, which allows teams to condense their line and defend more players in the middle.

We also have no one that is generating quick play the balls.

I can agree with you, but unfortunately it's not running from dummy half I said he is deficient, as you say he is good at that. But he has no ball playing skills and darting from dummy half isn't the same as competently steering the team through a set of six. I will accept he will never be Cam Smith not Nathan Brown who guided their teams attack without making long breaks nor big metres nor scoring many tries. The metres and the darts/tries scored are great extras, but Smith and Brown are the type of hookers who will play in top 4 teams and win GF's coz they allow the forwards to run/charge and offload all day by not leading them into a bashing set after set after set. Damian Cook was prefered to McInness at South's coz they saw the light so why can't we.

Yes we need a Cam Murray, of which Frizzell should do at lock, not a third prop that's asking for a never ending cycle of grinding sets. Debellin was the best but there are options like Ford or left field Runciman to do that but the hooker issue needs addressing most of all. With Widdop, coz of his class, he is able to play on the back foot all the time but Norman Hunt and Field ECT. Can only do so for periods then after that you kill their creativity
 

SBD82

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I can agree with you, but unfortunately it's not running from dummy half I said he is deficient, as you say he is good at that. But he has no ball playing skills and darting from dummy half isn't the same as competently steering the team through a set of six. I will accept he will never be Cam Smith not Nathan Brown who guided their teams attack without making long breaks nor big metres nor scoring many tries. The metres and the darts/tries scored are great extras, but Smith and Brown are the type of hookers who will play in top 4 teams and win GF's coz they allow the forwards to run/charge and offload all day by not leading them into a bashing set after set after set. Damian Cook was prefered to McInness at South's coz they saw the light so why can't we.
Fair argument. Sorry I misunderstood. .

I actually think it’s just another symptom of the same issue. Our halves are suffering from it too.

We have no shape. We have no structure. Good playmakers make good decisions about which player to hit. But they need options. We generally have 1 option of who is going to get the ball, too often there are no options and the playmaker is forced to run themselves. On the rare occasion that we have two options, the plays aren’t run enough to create doubt in the defence.

I’d like to see McInnes improve too, but I think he needs to also have players pushing up. As well as their forward options, Smith has Croft and Munster pushing up with him on either side of the ruck. And Cook has options from his forwards plus Walker who reads Cook’s game magnificently.

The best that McInnes ever has is two props running in tandem, or a forward running as a decoy with a half running an out line out the back. It’s just not enough to disrupt a modern defence.
 

blacksafake

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Fair argument. Sorry I misunderstood. .

I actually think it’s just another symptom of the same issue. Our halves are suffering from it too.

We have no shape. We have no structure. Good playmakers make good decisions about which player to hit. But they need options. We generally have 1 option of who is going to get the ball, too often there are no options and the playmaker is forced to run themselves. On the rare occasion that we have two options, the plays aren’t run enough to create doubt in the defence.

I’d like to see McInnes improve too, but I think he needs to also have players pushing up. As well as their forward options, Smith has Croft and Munster pushing up with him on either side of the ruck. And Cook has options from his forwards plus Walker who reads Cook’s game magnificently.

The best that McInnes ever has is two props running in tandem, or a forward running as a decoy with a half running an out line out the back. It’s just not enough to disrupt a modern defence.
Hammer, nail, head :thumbsup:
 

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