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Nathan Tinkler relinquishes ownership of the Newcastle Knights

kmav23

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That is just smart accounting - also doesn't go close to telling the full story behind what tax the family and related companies pay...

There are loopholes in tax laws where wealthy people can hire proffesionals to avoid and evade paying no tax.

Steal $100 and your a criminal.

Steal millions as investment bankers by complicated deceptions and nothing happens.
 

kmav23

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Those super wealthy speak directly to politicians.

I need this done here is a donation.

Stay at My ski resort for free.

After politics I will give you a job
 
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There are loopholes in tax laws where wealthy people can hire proffesionals to avoid and evade paying no tax.

Steal $100 and your a criminal.

Steal millions as investment bankers by complicated deceptions and nothing happens.

Well they need better professionals then.
 
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There should be a net worth tax for the super rich. If you're worth over say 10 million a % of your net should be taxed. That's a way to overcome clever accounting that reduces taxable income to nearly nothing like in this case.

You and Kmav keep saying Tinkler has more debts than assets so how would your net worth tax make any difference in this situation?
 

kmav23

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http://www.theaustralian.com.au/new...farm-up-for-sale/story-e6frg6nf-1226610704294


NATHAN Tinkler has put his entire Patinack Farm horseracing operation on the market as the embattled coal entrepreneur continues to shed his trophy assets to focus on "core operations".

The Tinkler Group will put the operation - which includes over 1000 racehorses, broodmares and stallions and his Sandy Hollow training facility in NSW's Hunter Valley - up for sale via an "international marketing program".

The move will allow Mr Tinkler to focus on core operations "spanning resources, port and rail infrastructure and property", the group said.

''As I am spending more time overseas, I do not have the time to manage the business,'' Mr Tinkler said in a statement.

''Patinack Farm represents a terrific opportunity for a local or international owner to develop the business to be a world leader.''

The sale is to be conducted formally by Magic Millions horse racing auction group and financial services firm Ernst & Young.


The ordered sale is at odds with the recent rollercoaster of asset sales and collapses to face the group and suggests Mr Tinkler is executing a considered strategy to recover from the financial tail-spin he entered mid-last year when coal prices tanked.

Through various auctions late last year Mr Tinkler had already sold several hundreds of the broodmares and racers in the Patinack Farm empire.

Early last year Mr Tinkler is understood to have approached Sheik Fahad al-Thani, a Qatari royal well connected to horse racing, seeking to sell the entire racing group for $200m.

The sale result for the current offering is expected to be well below that figure and is likely to book substantial losses for Mr Tinkler.

Retail giant Gerry Harvey, who is also chairman of Magic Millions, spruiked the asset yesterday.

"Nathan has built a truly world class operation in Patinack Farm, which includes superb facilities, along with leading racing and breeding stock," Mr Harvey said.

"He has had considerable success in a relatively short period of time, winning races like Caulfield Guineas, Chipping Norton and the Champagne Stakes."

Mr Harvey last year lent Mr Tinkler a large sum of money - widely rumoured to be about $20m - to stave-off receivers and it is understood the coal entrepreneur has yet to repay that loan.

An arm of Patinack Farm, Patinack Farm Administration, was liquidated in November owing creditors $5.5m.

That company was a linchpin in the group's operation because it employs all Patinack Farm staff.

Mr Tinkler was able to prevent that collapse from infecting the entire Patinack Farm group by creating a phoenix company, Thoroughbred Administration, which now employs most of the group's staff.

The key asset in the offering is the 3300 acre breeding facility in the Hunter Valley, which accommodates Patinack's "stallions, broodmares and young stock", the Tinkler Group said
 
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BunniesMan

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Another part of the empire comes crashing down.

The castle walls are crumbling.

It won't be long now until the fat turd is finished.
 

POPEYE

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Is there any relevance of Tinkler's private life to Rugby League . . . are the Knights safeguarded or not. If they are who gives a tuppenny f**k
 

rnb11

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Selling Patinack not only gives Tinkler a large lump sum of about 200 million dollars but he also saves millions upon millions every month now he no longer has to invest into it. It puts more money into the Knights and Jets pockets plus into his other business ventures. Anyone who thinks this is his empire further crumbling is geniused, it's smart, he's making nothing from Patinack and he no longer lives nearby to manage it so why would he continue to lose millions.

Once again, Tinkler is not going bankrupt and what happens outside of the Knights and HSG has nothing to do with Rugby League or any Rugby League fan who has nothing better to do than spend 24/7 googling Tinkler articles.
 

Noname36

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:lol: at BunniesMan constantly death riding the Knights. I can guarantee Tinkler or no Tinkler the knights will be in the comp longer than lol@souths.
 

betcats

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No one thinks the Knights are gonna die you noname f**k, that was pretty well established in this thread a while ago. I did think the fatman would be bust by now so he has proven me wrong.
 

Noname36

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No one thinks the Knights are gonna die you noname f**k, that was pretty well established in this thread a while ago. I did think the fatman would be bust by now so he has proven me wrong.

Jesus, way to miss the point. Are there people in this thread death riding Tinkler and hoping he goes bust? Yes. Would Tinkler going bust severely hurt Newcastle? Yes. So wouldn't death riding Tinkler and hoping he dies also subsequently be death riding the Knights? Again yes.

Yes, the Knights would survive if Tinkler had to pull out. However considering they have a roster of staff and players that they could not afford previously, him going bust would severely impact on the club.
 
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betcats

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Lol you're reaching a bit if u ask me, the line from most knights fans was something like "we will be fine"
 

Noname36

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Lol you're reaching a bit if u ask me, the line from most knights fans was something like "we will be fine"

Reaching? Hardly. Of course the club would be "fine" in the sense that it would survive. But it would be in a completely f**ked position. It couldn't just go back to how it was before Tinkler came on board. There are a lot of high profile staff (i.e. Bennett) on the books that the club couldn't afford under the member's ownership model. What happens then? The club loses all of its staff and players, or sends itself further bust trying to pay them.

The whole argument is ridiculous anyway. Tinkler is going nowhere. This whole thread is just fuelled by a couple of individuals hoping he goes bust.
 

Munky

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Tinks' probably has no taxable income as his wealth is all highly leveraged unrealized gains.

Hell his interest deductions would be insane.

I'd love to see a consolidated cash flow for his entities, I wonder if they actually pay the interest or if it gets capitalized.

Either way with Tinks I imagine the old saying about borrowing a billion dollars rings true...
 

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