National Reserve Grade

[magpie_man]

No. The Qld cup is good as it is. If NSW can't come up with a decent comp, that's no reason to waste millions of dollars to ruin the Qld Cup.

Richo's brainfart league should be the last time such a thing is mentioned ever again.

This. The Qld Cup has set the benchmark as far as 2nd tier competitions go - a good mix of heritage and expansion teams with the Hunters being a revelation. I've also heard whispers of a team based in Darwin.
Why tamper with a good thing?
It's up to the NSWRL to get their comp up to the standard of the QRL's. A team in Fiji is a good start. I'd also love to see teams based in some regional centres like Wagga Wagga and Orange.

 

[Diesel]

Darwin, that's an interesting & good move. Would raise the profile a little more and compete with AFL

 

[siv]

There are some valid points here, aside from the suburb rant at the end (you know, since suburbs like Canterbury and Cronulla field NRL teams...)

IF a straight up NRL Reserve grade comp superceded the QLD Cup, how much would the QLD Cup actually lose? 54 players a week, to be exact. It would be a decent hit to the quality. Food for thought though. Personally I don't think it would be worth it.

What do we gain from having a full NRL Reserve Grade comp?

Those 54 get replaced within 2 years as the next batch of u18s u20s come through

Not a issue

Also note that National RG existed for a number of years from 1995 to 2007 without any impact to the Qld Cup

 

[siv]

This is the key question.

And the answer is...not much.

The other key questions are:

1. What would we lose as a result of it?
And
2. Is it worth it?

The answers to those are:

1. A proper home and away Qld Cup that currently works really well, a hell of a lot of money and potentially some clubs that can't handle it.
And
3. No.

No impact on the Qld Cup schedule by bringing National RG using NRL clubs

 

[siv]

Doesn't NZ have a regional top tier competition already?

No they used to

Today its a Auckland city league

Then they play the equivalent of a country divisional championship with rep teams

 

[East Coast Tiger]

Those 54 get replaced within 2 years as the next batch of u18s u20s come through

Not a issue

Also note that National RG existed for a number of years from 1995 to 2007 without any impact to the Qld Cup

There was no national reserve grade in 2007, nor at any time since the NRL started.

Credibility, meet window.

 

[siv]

1.NRL
2.NRL res
3.
Nsw cup:
Easts Roosters/Roosters
Newtown/Souths
Cutters/St George
Wenty/Eels
Windsor/Panthers
North Sydney/Manly
mt pritchard/dogs
Magpies/Tigers
NEW Goulburn or Tuggeranong Vikings/Raiders <--this one can be toyed with. Wagga wagga/Riverina needs representation
WOY WOY/Newcastle

cronulla/cronulla (any ideas for an alternate representation?)

FIJI (Maybve this can be cronullas feeder? with shire residents)
MERCENARIES


You may also notice i realigned a few partnerships to make more geographical sense. I stand by this as a common sense move.

NSW Cup if National RG is setup just evolves back to the old Second Division

 

[Perth Red]

I'd rather see:
NRL reserve grade
State based comp with league, inter state CC cup knock out comp and national club nines tournament for the top 3 clubs in each state

If and when necessary you could pull the top clubs out of NSw and Qlnd cups with a sprinkling of rep club sides from PNG, Fiji, NZ, WA, Vic etc to form an elite "super league" short competition but struggling to see the value in it tbh.

 

[siv]

There was no national reserve grade in 2007, nor at any time since the NRL started.

Credibility, meet window.

Ah the poor queenslander still complaining that he plays second fiddle

The following teams all played RG at a national level in club colours

Broncos 1988-1996
Cowboys 1992-2001
Crushers 1995-1997
Gold Coast 1988-1998
Warriors 1995-1998, 2014 -
Adelaide 1997-1998
Perth 1992-1996
Melbourne 2010

 

[East Coast Tiger]

Ah the poor queenslander still complaining that he plays second fiddle

The following teams all played RG at a national level in club colours

Broncos 1988-1996
Cowboys 1992-2001
Crushers 1995-1997
Gold Coast 1988-1998
Warriors 1995-1998, 2014 -
Adelaide 1997-1998
Perth 1992-1996
Melbourne 2010

Ah, I'm not s Queenslander.

And you've just proved my point. There has been NO national reserve grade since the NRL started.

Wrong on all levels.

 

[siv]

ARL ran a national RG

ARLC run the game today

NRL is just a old News Ltd abombination that has taken 20 years to correct

If you want to care about News Ltd run RL thats your problem - its over - and every RL fan is glad its over

RL has been running for 108 years not 21

No now to correct all of those wrongs like stopping National RG in 1997. Clubs incorrectly booted out are returning

 

[East Coast Tiger]

ARL ran a national RG

ARLC run the game today

NRL is just a old News Ltd abombination that has taken 20 years to correct

If you want to care about News Ltd run RL thats your problem - its over - and every RL fan is glad its over

RL has been running for 108 years not 21

No now to correct all of those wrongs like stopping National RG in 1997. Clubs incorrectly booted out are returning

I'm not worried about it.

I'm just pointing out how wrong you are.

You said there was a national reserve grade up until 2007,which is bullshit.

Then you started listing teams that had feeder teams with the same name as if that backed up what you said, which it didn't, it only proved you wrong.

Now you seem to be trying to link the lack of a national reserve grade to the News Ltd run NRL even though you said they ran one up until 2007.

Contradictory, arbitrary nonsense.

Sydney clubs can come back, and they can play in the NSW Cup. In fact that have and are. Sorted.

 

[Hello, I'm The Doctor]

Doesn't NZ have a regional top tier competition already?

Dunno. If so, great....

Either push the Warriors into that comp or disolve the Warriors and distribute the players across that comp.
Then have the top teams compete for a place in the State Championship final...

 

[GW.]

Are we really trying to pretend that the NRL didn't have a successful reserve grade Comp for most of its history by way of technicality ?

I guess I just imagined going with my dad to all those games where we would watch the second half of reserve grade and stay for the main game.

Or all those big league mags from 1991 I have are full of poo.

 

[alien]

i'd like to see each nrl club have a reserve grade team in a national reserve grade comp. there would still be nsw cup and qld cup, but they would be 3rd tier comps, and they would be non-nrl clubs. national reserve grade games would be played before the first grade games. there shouldn't be a national under 20s comp. nsw should have their own under 20s comp, under 18s comp, and under 16s comp, and each nsw nrl club would have a team in each of those 3 nsw comps. so for example, rabbitohs would have a team in first grade, national reserve grade, under 20s, under 18s, under 16s

 

[Hello, I'm The Doctor]

No impact on the Qld Cup schedule by bringing National RG using NRL clubs

Aside from taking away all of the good players and any attention...

 

[Hello, I'm The Doctor]

Rather than build a NRG from the ground, id like to see the ARLC build around the State Championship (i also think SC is a better name than NRG; the latter acknowledges it is just a shittier version of the NRL)...

Keep the QLD Cup as it is (maybe split it into divisions to reduce travel costs and allow more teams to compete), i dont see too much of a problem with the Qld set up.

NSW should be split into 2 divisions (North/South of Sydney with Sydney teams going evenly into each; if there are 10 sydney teams, 5 go each way). Then add as many regional teams as possible.

If we can get enough teams together, have a separate division for NZ/Melbourne/Perth and bring them all together at the end of the year for a National final series and the chance to play at ANZ on GF day.

 

[siv]

Aside from taking away all of the good players and any attention...

Player issue gets addressed within 2 years

Attention perspective - yes I would stop going to my one of a year Wyong match. Hell most of the time I can never go because I dont want to travel 7 days a week. But you dont want me as a NSW Cup Supporter

But supporters of Newtown Bears Wyong or Wenty would still go. Do they really care if a NRL player plays this week. Probably not that much as he hardly ever plays anyway maybe 3 games a year from each of the 8 NRL aligned players. As club regulars get pushed out to "train" a NRL player. Like pushing a playing into second row to teach him how tackle - or into fullback to learn how to catch a football

In Qld its less with only 4 or 3 NRL aligned players per club

I dont think TV exposure will drop. You only get match of the round these days anyway

Player costs will drop or be steady as they increase their squads slightly. But most clubs have a full compement anyway in case of NRL injuries.

Just need to manage travel costs

So we need 2 answers for Tier 2
- National RG
- and Tier 2 clubs in a Second Division split by NSW Cup / QLD Cup / NZ Cup

 

[Hello, I'm The Doctor]

Player issue gets addressed within 2 years

Attention perspective - yes I would stop going to my one of a year Wyong match. Hell most of the time I can never go because I dont want to travel 7 days a week. But you dont want me as a NSW Cup Supporter

But supporters of Newtown Bears Wyong or Wenty would still go. Do they really care if a NRL player plays this week. Probably not that much as he hardly ever plays anyway maybe 3 games a year from each of the 8 NRL aligned players. As club regulars get pushed out to "train" a NRL player. Like pushing a playing into second row to teach him how tackle - or into fullback to learn how to catch a football

In Qld its less with only 4 or 3 NRL aligned players per club

I dont think TV exposure will drop. You only get match of the round these days anyway

Player costs will drop or be steady as they increase their squads slightly. But most clubs have a full compement anyway in case of NRL injuries.

Just need to manage travel costs

So we need 2 answers for Tier 2
- National RG
- and Tier 2 clubs in a Second Division split by NSW Cup / QLD Cup / NZ Cup

You can repeat this as often as you like, it wont make it true...

The fact is that if the State Championship sides are relegated to a 3rd grade, they will be seen as the dregs of the dregs (he players not good enough to make the comp for players not good enough for NRL).

A NRG limited to the 16 NRL clubs means we will just centralise the premium RL even more for no good reason. The State Championship is where the people pining for the days of Suburban RL and semi-pro/amateur players doing it for the love will actually get to see this.

Why restrict it to 16 locations that already have better options in stadiums/time-slots that only the hard-core section of the people already attending games will see them.

NRG limited to the 16 NRL clubs is honestly the worst of all options....

 

[BuderusIsaBeast]

I would prefer to go in the opposite direction to a National Reserve Grade and gave an expanded NSW and QLD Cup. The NRL would take over junior development and the under 16, 18's and 20's will align with there NSW and QLD Cup counterparts. Every NRL team would only have its NRL side to worry about and would not have any junior teams.

For example every NRL team has a 30 man squad.

Under the NRL is the NSW Cup and QLD Cup

NSW Cup similar to QLD Cup in that it has a wide spread of teams across all (country!) parts of NSW (includes ACT for NSW and NT for QLD)

Players in an NRL squad not picked in first grade drop down to a Cup team. An NRL team can have as many affiliates in both cups as it chooses. Cup teams also have there own players on contracts to play for that cup team

NSW Cup and QLD Cup teams have an under 20's, under 18's and under 16's which filters through to there cup team. Dependant on finances there could possibly also be an under 22's

Teams from NZ, WA, VC and ADL also participate but for money reasons may not have a team in all grades so for example maybe only 20's and NSW/QLD Cup

There can also be standalone teams in the NSW and QLD Cup such as PNG in QLD and Fiji in NSW but also making sure teams such as North Sydney Bears and Newtown (equivalent for QLD) can maintain a presence in the Cup