National Reserve Grade

[PARRA_FAN]

How can broke ar5e Union afford a national reserve grade comp and NRL cant?

I guess all of those teams are affilated with the Super Rugby Teams.

 

[Hello, I'm The Doctor]

Your assuming that Qld Cup will change

I dont see it changing with National RG

Also there will be no change to the State Championship

The change will come with doubling of the NRL salary cap and the expansion to a 36 man squad

Youre just taking away all of the good players and any attention from NSW/QLD Cup.

And youre syphoning off most of the money for lowergrades and putting it into unnecessary plane tickets and hotel rooms....

 

[Perth Red]

I can see many benefits to having a proper RG. NSw and Qlnad cup comps are hardly packing out the grounds so not sure how much interest would disappear from those comps if they became the third tier comps?

re those comps being expanded I dont see the benefit tbh. Spending over a $million on putting a perth team into NSW cup doesn't seem to be much return on investment and weakens the WA comp. Putting that $million into the 8 NRLWA clubs and growing the local comp in size and strength would be far more beneficial for the game here.

Having knock out cups or some sort of inter state conference playoffs may be a long term option for a third tier national structure.

 

[alien]

We used to have Under 21s, Reserve Grade, First Grade, and it was fine. Was the QLD Cup crap back then? If all the Reserve Grade and Under 20s games are shown on tv live, or during the week, on the new NRL channel that is coming out (or on a Fox Sports channel), then maybe money made by the NRL from the tv rights for those games can go towards travel and accommodation.

 

[siv]

Merging teams due to covid is a dumb proposal when you have 19 players not playing NRL each week

Time to bring back NRL Reserve Grade

Play 15 rounds as preliminiary NRL games in 2020 for the last 15 rounds then finals

So players 18 to 36 in the 30+6 NRL squads can get game time

Plenty of contracted U20s players to fill in any injury gaps

 

[typicalfan]

How can broke ar5e Union afford a national reserve grade comp and NRL cant?

Union went broke due to, in part, poor financial decisions.

Can Union REALLY afford it.

 

[Captain Apollo]

Merging teams due to covid is a dumb proposal when you have 19 players not playing NRL each week

Time to bring back NRL Reserve Grade

Play 15 rounds as preliminiary NRL games in 2020 for the last 15 rounds then finals

So players 18 to 36 in the 30+6 NRL squads can get game time

Plenty of contracted U20s players to fill in any injury gaps

Right....

The code has taken around a 20% hit to its revenue for this year in broadcast rights alone. Clubs have lost money from forgone ticket sales and game day corporate events seeing them having to lay off staff all over the place.

Yet despite all that you think they have the money for a National Reserve Grade competition eh? No, don't move, I'll call the funny farm to come collect you now

 

[siv]

Right....

The code has taken around a 20% hit to its revenue for this year in broadcast rights alone. Clubs have lost money from forgone ticket sales and game day corporate events seeing them having to lay off staff all over the place.

Yet despite all that you think they have the money for a National Reserve Grade competition eh? No, don't move, I'll call the funny farm to come collect you now

Ok lets talk money

Stadium rent - payed as you have to pay for two game periods anyway

Players - all clubs have to pay for their 30+6 squads as well nd training staff

Clubs are have full game simulations on the weekends for these fringe players

Transport not a issue as we have based the comp in Sydney

Plenty of touch judges available

NRL has already hired a jet on a hit and run mission. So take 50 rather than 32 people for regional games

So where does all of this extra money your worried about come from ?

 

[Lemon Squash]

Brisbane Broncos should be the first team to be included

 

[Captain Apollo]

Ok lets talk money

Stadium rent - payed as you have to pay for two game periods anyway

Players - all clubs have to pay for their 30+6 squads as well nd training staff

Clubs are have full game simulations on the weekends for these fringe players

Transport not a issue as we have based the comp in Sydney

Plenty of touch judges available

NRL has already hired a jet on a hit and run mission. So take 50 rather than 32 people for regional games

So where does all of this extra money your worried about come from ?

Ok sport, want to talk figures and finance. Have you factored in the costs for cleaning which the NRL had to agree with various Government to be allowed to play, which you would then need to do for this? The Bio-security protocols prohibit back to back double header games at the same venue. Also the grounds have to be completely closed and not open/accessible to the public.

Not all clubs have full reserve grade coaching teams, so where are they all going to come from and the money to pay them?

In normal circumstances I'd probably agree with you, but in the current public health situation it just isn't feasible. You are just deluding yourself if you think it is.

 

[siv]

Ok sport, want to talk figures and finance. Have you factored in the costs for cleaning which the NRL had to agree with various Government to be allowed to play, which you would then need to do for this? The Bio-security protocols prohibit back to back double header games at the same venue. Also the grounds have to be completely closed and not open/accessible to the public.

Not all clubs have full reserve grade coaching teams, so where are they all going to come from and the money to pay them?

In normal circumstances I'd probably agree with you, but in the current public health situation it just isn't feasible. You are just deluding yourself if you think it is.

Ok cleaning

Today NRL bio-security squads are made up of 50 players and staff. This includes all 30+6 NRL players plus 14 staff.

As restrictions ease we could apply for this to be increased to 60 or 70.

They would use the same ground. If they are in the same bio-security pool you dont need to clean between games. Just expand the 20+12 to the 40+14. Most if these are on the payrole anyway in RG or U20 contracts.

We can have 50 people at a venue today

In respect to coaching

Many NRL clubs have used their assistant coach to coach their RG team in the past. You will find all of the support staff also support RG players. So no extra cost.

By playing RG just before FG at the same ground they are in attendance already. So no extra cost.

Currently we are seeing no new cases reported everywhere bar Victoria and active cases hovers beliw 500. With Community RL starting from July 1 and crowds targeted to return on July 1

 

[Captain Apollo]

Ok cleaning

Today NRL bio-security squads are made up of 50 players and staff. This includes all 30+6 NRL players plus 14 staff.

As restrictions ease we could apply for this to be increased to 60 or 70.

They would use the same ground. If they are in the same bio-security pool you dont need to clean between games. Just expand the 20+12 to the 40+14. Most if these are on the payrole anyway in RG or U20 contracts.

We can have 50 people at a venue today

In respect to coaching

Many NRL clubs have used their assistant coach to coach their RG team in the past. You will find all of the support staff also support RG players. So no extra cost.

By playing RG just before FG at the same ground they are in attendance already. So no extra cost.

Currently we are seeing no new cases reported everywhere bar Victoria and active cases hovers beliw 500. With Community RL starting from July 1 and crowds targeted to return on July 1

You still don't get it. If you have 2 games being played, the NRL's bio-security protocols demand the use of 4 change rooms, one for each playing team, as most grounds do not have a change room which can handle 34-40 players at once.

Further, after use by one team, the change room has to be thoroughly cleaned before another team can use it. That is the reason why there have been no double headers at the same ground on the same day.

Also, you can't bring in "portable dressing rooms" or have them walk from one outside the stadiums as that would breach the bio-security protocols.

Also the 50 people at a venue today have to be spread out, not concentrated all in one confined place like a change room.

 

[gUt]

Brisbane Broncos should be the first team to be included

Not sure we would meet the standard tbh

 

[Perth Red]

Cant see a national reserve grade in the current financial climate. They got rid of U20's to save clubs money, doubt they'll be happy to spend more when they can farm players out to second tier comps the NRL is paying for.

 

[siv]

You still don't get it. If you have 2 games being played, the NRL's bio-security protocols demand the use of 4 change rooms, one for each playing team, as most grounds do not have a change room which can handle 34-40 players at once.

Further, after use by one team, the change room has to be thoroughly cleaned before another team can use it. That is the reason why there have been no double headers at the same ground on the same day.

Also, you can't bring in "portable dressing rooms" or have them walk from one outside the stadiums as that would breach the bio-security protocols.

Also the 50 people at a venue today have to be spread out, not concentrated all in one confined place like a change room.

You consider RG and FG teams as being different

They are the same team

They tackle each other in training every training session

So sharing the same dressing room occurs now every training session

You would just use the normal RG FG method one team in first then the next team

 

[Captain Apollo]

You consider RG and FG teams as being different

They are the same team

They tackle each other in training every training session

So sharing the same dressing room occurs now every training session

You would just use the normal RG FG method one team in first then the next team

Mate, you are splitting hairs. I've been in many dressing rooms used by NRL teams, at many ground currently used for games they do not accommodate 34+ players to be able to change clothes in at one time. Yet again their own bio-security protocols prohibit what you propose on game days in the current COVID-19 days.

Training is a whole different kettle of fish as many clubs do not train at the grounds currently under use for games, so many of them have access to more than one change room for training purposes.

Further the NRL Bio-security rules about change room use is very restrictive. The NRL are not permitted under the Bio-security protocols, which they must obey to be able to keep playing, to do what you want regardless of how many times you stamp your feet. Break them and the State and Federal Governments will shut them down.

You can split all the hairs you want, but you are ignoring the facts. You ignore reality. If it was so easy, and so simple do you seriously think they would not have done it?

 

[siv]

You never put large numbers in one dressing room even in normal arrangements

You stagger entry and exit simple

How do you think we only used 2 dressing rooms for 112 years

 

[siv]

They didnt do it 6 weeks ago because they wanted everyone to approve May 28

May 28 has come and gone

Its time to plan fir the next stage

 

[Perth Red]

Ideally if the game was willing to spend the money you could have

NRL
NRL RG

then a two conference national second division pro/semi pro comp. salary cap at $2mill a team. Nrl to cover travel and accomodation to make it a viable national second tier. Get it on fta and stream every game live (can be done cheaply in this day and age and lets nrl get its own streaming service up and running over next 7 years I

 

[flippikat]

Ideally if the game was willing to spend the money you could have

NRL
NRL RG

then a two conference national second division pro/semi pro comp. salary cap at $2mill a team. Nrl to cover travel and accomodation to make it a viable national second tier. Get it on fta and stream every game live (can be done cheaply in this day and age and lets nrl get its own streaming service up and running over next 7 years I

Definitely.

I'm guessing there would also be a structured feeder arrangement from the 2nd tier, so that in the event of injuries players would be "called up" from the NRL club's feeder team(s).

With 16 NRL teams (and 16 NRL reserve teams), you could have 16 NSW Cup teams and 16 Qld Cup teams, and each NRL club would have ONE affiliated feeder in each "minor league" competition.

Heck, you could even play inter-league rounds between NSW & Qld Cup sides as a season highlight.. something I've been keen on for a while.