New NSW Second division plan "Platinum League"

[ozenzud]

One thing seems to be apparent. The ARL has worked out what a lot of us already know. That putting the development of RL generally, in the hands of the NRL clubs themselves, is a really dumb idea.

This appears to be a step towards taking the development and second tier of the competition away from the NRL and having it managed in a strategically/centrally controlled way.

The NRL clubs are focussed only on winning the comp, not on the good of RL. It is our games biggest strength and weakness. The NRL clubs care only about themselves. It is the ARL's job to think about the game and develop the game.

Lets face it, who has attended a second tier game in Sydney in the last 20 years? Some diehards will turn up to Newtown etc etc. Put those teams in the regions and people will support them.

 

[alien]

Lets face it, who has attended a second tier game in Sydney in the last 20 years?

I've been to heaps. I've been to third and fourth tier games too (Ron Massey Cup and Sydney Shield).

 

[alien]

One thing seems to be apparent. The ARL has worked out what a lot of us already know. That putting the development of RL generally, in the hands of the NRL clubs themselves, is a really dumb idea.

Some NRL clubs look after their junior district well. The biggest problem with each NRL club not having it's own reserve grade side and under 20s side is the coach of the NRL team won't have control of his players in his squad who don't make the first grade side that week.

 

[ozenzud]

I've been to heaps. I've been to third and fourth tier games too (Ron Massey Cup and Sydney Shield).

You are not going to tell me there were thousands there are you? Bush footy has bigger crowds than Sydney lower tier games, even in the 80's when I had spells playing in both the city and country. There would not have been an improvement in crowds in the intervening years....

 

[alien]

You are not going to tell me there were thousands there are you?

Nope.

I think every NSW NRL club should have its own reserve grade, under 20s, under 18s, under 16s teams, but the under 20s, under 18s, and under 16s teams would be in NSW comps. The reserve grade teams could actually be in a NSW comp too (NSW Cup). In all 4 of those grades you could add other teams like Norths, Newtown, Coffs Harbour, Dubbo, etc. In the NSW Cup you could even add teams like Fiji, Wellington, Christchurch, etc.

 

[POPEYE]

NRL clubs should concentrate on one team only, one roster to worry about, one competition to worry about, if the ARLC really wants to grow the game take responsibility way from club management.

Remove the chance of incompetency and grow the pool of players with peripheral separate competitions for clubs to choose from . . . all they need do is hire people capable of coaching the best from their allotments

 

[siv]

Its a no brainer that NSW Country divisions should be playing in the NSW Cup

 

[alien]

Its a no brainer that NSW Country divisions should be playing in the NSW Cup

yeah they could just add them to the current nsw cup

 

[Perth Red]

I'd rather $1.5mill a year go into the NRLWA comp then field one team full of imports in a platinum league. Seems pretty simple
reserve grade U23's for each NRL team with 4-5 places open age first team rostered players
U18's NRL club based with non NRL club development areas included in comps
State cup competitions in each S&T well funded not attached to NRL clubs
U16's and below that State based funded Jnr comps with no direct NRL club allegiance.

 

[CC_Roosters]

I'd rather $1.5mill a year go into the NRLWA comp then field one team full of imports in a platinum league. Seems pretty simple
reserve grade U23's for each NRL team with 4-5 places open age first team rostered players
U18's NRL club based with non NRL club development areas included in comps
State cup competitions in each S&T well funded not attached to NRL clubs
U16's and below that State based funded Jnr comps with no direct NRL club allegiance.

Tbh not the worst ideas. I really favour the limited age reserve grade, although i would make it u21 + limited matchday open age players. Its the easiest solution too, all that is required is to alter the current NYC. You can then have your state cups entirely outside nrl branding as they want too with the platinum league, while still giving clibs an affiliate at that level.

 

[alien]

if you have reserve grade as under 21s or under 23s, with limited open age players, there wouldn't be enough spots for open age players at that level. you also wouldn't want some 19 yr olds (who are still growing) to play against fully grown men. it increases the chance of serious injuries. i don't like it. reserve grade should be all open age and if a younger player is ok to play open age, then he can move up, but some players shouldn't.

 

[Captain Apollo]

NRL clubs should concentrate on one team only, one roster to worry about, one competition to worry about, if the ARLC really wants to grow the game take responsibility way from club management.

Remove the chance of incompetency and grow the pool of players with peripheral separate competitions for clubs to choose from . . . all they need do is hire people capable of coaching the best from their allotments

Problem is Pop, they want to use NRL players who are outside the weekly top 17 for each NRL side without the NRL side having any say in where or how those players are used. Considering the NRL are not their employer, I think their employers have a right to be upset about it as they are paying the players wages, not the NRL.

 

[siv]

The only teal way forward as I see it

NSW Country sides added to a NSW Cup or Southern Tier 2 League and added to U18 and U16 NSWRL junior comps

And National Reserve Grade & National U20s on game day

 

[CC_Roosters]

if you have reserve grade as under 21s or under 23s, with limited open age players, there wouldn't be enough spots for open age players at that level. you also wouldn't want some 19 yr olds (who are still growing) to play against fully grown men. it increases the chance of serious injuries. i don't like it. reserve grade should be all open age and if a younger player is ok to play open age, then he can move up, but some players shouldn't.

I disagree. The elite 18-23 year olds need to the experience of playing against the old hands before NRL level and i think most could handle facing say 4-5 seasoned opposing players. Those that are not ready can play down a level in state u20 colts competitions that would be below the state cup feeder sides. The big benefit is the players are immediately on hand and close to nrl head coaching. Also the clubs can hold onto the veteran players in their expanded squads rotating in/out of first grade as injuries and fitness require

State cup teams are then seperately branded with no exceptions but would be affiliated to an nrl club.

 

[alien]

I disagree. The elite 18-23 year olds need to the experience of playing against the old hands before NRL level and i think most could handle facing say 4-5 seasoned opposing players. Those that are not ready can play down a level in state u20 colts competitions that would be below the state cup feeder sides. The big benefit is the players are immediately on hand and close to nrl head coaching. Also the clubs can hold onto the veteran players in their expanded squads rotating in/out of first grade as injuries and fitness require

State cup teams are then seperately branded with no exceptions but would be affiliated to an nrl club.

18-23 year olds can already play in the nsw cup or qld cup if they are ready.

 

[POPEYE]

Problem is Pop, they want to use NRL players who are outside the weekly top 17for each NERL side without the NRL side having any say in where or how those players are used. Considering the NRL are not their employer I think their employers have a right to be upset about it as they are paying the players wages, not the NRL.

Not rocket science, each club should be guaranteed a certain sized roster with players on contracts. Where those players play is up to each club. If a club wants to loan out players in need of rehab or a refresh to the PL so be it, that is if the PL wants them of course

 

[unforgiven]

Not rocket science, each club should be guaranteed a certain sized roster with players on contracts. Where those players play is up to each club. If a club wants to loan out players in need of rehab or a refresh to the PL so be it, that is if the PL wants them of course

I think the thing I would dislike most about your proposal is the loss of a day at the footy. Its bad enough that there is only 2 games at an NRL game these days. One of the reasons i attend games is to see the players develop from juniors to NRL players.

 

[Perth Red]

Think that's the least important reason given you'd be talking a few hundred at best who go and watch all grades.

 

[unforgiven]

Think that's the least important reason given you'd be talking a few hundred at best who go and watch all grades.

That was quite obviously a personal opinion. Look how it was worded, i actually stated what would disappoint me about that proposak. Or is the mighty Perth Red the only one allowed to give personal opinions. Maybe we should not worry about what you have tobsay about Perth getting a team because we are only talking about a couple of people posting on here about it.

 

[unforgiven]

Late night post that didn't make sense