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New NSW Second division plan "Platinum League"

magpie4ever

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I think some dudes think Fiji, Tonga and Samoa are outer suburbs of capital cities in Australia.

They are an array of villages (many without electricity) with a few townships and the odd capital city.
 
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alien

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well since we are talking about pacific islands, how about an american team (based in hawaii) enters the platinum league northern conference (qld cup)??? :)
 

magpie4ever

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well since we are talking about pacific islands, how about an american team (based in hawaii) enters the platinum league northern conference (qld cup)??? :)

Yeah, teams arrived 4 days early to get over the jet lag.

Posters need to realise Rugby League will never conquer the world. It will never even surpass union because union has had a 100 years head start.
 

Last Week

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Yeah, teams arrived 4 days early to get over the jet lag.

Posters need to realise Rugby League will never conquer the world. It will never even surpass union because union has had a 100 years head start.

Well that's a defeatist attitude if I've ever seen one.

UFC has exploded pretty quickly. 20twenty cricket has grown well, especially here with the big bash. The WWE/WWF hasn't been around for relatively that long. Hell, this year will only be the 50th Superbowl.

Time isn't that much of a factor for success in this regard.
 

BuffaloRules

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I think some dudes think Fiji, Tonga and Samoa are outer suburbs of capital cities in Australia.

They are an array of villages (many without electricity) with a few townships and the odd capital city.

They also seem to have a lot of athletes very suitable to our game and Union.

I would at least be in favour of trying something to get more talented locals playing our game.

I don't know if you have heard, but the NRL is rolling in cash these days so they should be able to afford a few more airfares each week..
 

magpie4ever

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They also seem to have a lot of athletes very suitable to our game and Union.

I would at least be in favour of trying something to get more talented locals playing our game.

I don't know if you have heard, but the NRL is rolling in cash these days so they should be able to afford a few more airfares each week..

Some of the dreamers are suggesting up to 4 overseas teams, the airfares and accommodation costs would be greater than all the teams salary caps combined ($400k per side). Talk about cost benefit analysis when the travel, accommodation costs far out weigh player payments - it is just bloody ridiculous.

What are you suggesting here, teams based on race.
 

Perth Red

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ouch lol

Its hard to see how these small nations would afford to host a team in an Australian comp. PNG are already struggling and they get a decent whack of Govt funding. TBF without pokie machines most NSW clubs would be struggling to host a reserve grade side, even with a big hand out Storm cant afford to host one in Melbourne. Seems a bit pie in the sky to me unless the NRL is going to spend significant sums supporting them.
 

BuffaloRules

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Some of the dreamers are suggesting up to 4 overseas teams, the airfares and accommodation costs would be greater than all the teams salary caps combined ($400k per side). Talk about cost benefit analysis when the travel, accommodation costs far out weigh player payments - it is just bloody ridiculous.

What are you suggesting here, teams based on race.

I am not suggesting this at all, but I find it unlikely that there will be a lot of Aussies putting their hand up to play for say Fiji for example.

Do you have a problem with the PNG team playing in the QLD state based comp?
 

The Great Dane

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ouch lol

Its hard to see how these small nations would afford to host a team in an Australian comp. PNG are already struggling and they get a decent whack of Govt funding. TBF without pokie machines most NSW clubs would be struggling to host a reserve grade side, even with a big hand out Storm cant afford to host one in Melbourne. Seems a bit pie in the sky to me unless the NRL is going to spend significant sums supporting them.

Exactly, my thinking on the subject.

The Raiders think that NSWcup teams are so exorbitantly expensive for what a club gets in return that they aren't worth the investment (though if they really wanted to they could afford to fund an NSWcup team), and no other clubs in Canberra have stepped up to start a Canberra based NSWcup team independent of the Raiders because it simply costs too much and after a few years of heavy losses it's inevitable that they'd go broke.

So if Canberra and Melbourne can't/won't support teams of their own, I find it hard to believe that small PI nations will be able to support teams unless the NRL underwrites them, which I'm not necessarily against.
 

siv

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Im intrigued by this statement about Canberra and its Queenbeyan Blues LC

Because in Townsville or Auckland they dont seem to have a issue
 

magpie4ever

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I am not suggesting this at all, but I find it unlikely that there will be a lot of Aussies putting their hand up to play for say Fiji for example.

Do you have a problem with the PNG team playing in the QLD state based comp?

No, I think it's fine but as Perth Red said they are supported by PNG Govt money as it is the national sport. I doubt they would survive without this.
 

CC_Roosters

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Exactly, my thinking on the subject.

The Raiders think that NSWcup teams are so exorbitantly expensive for what a club gets in return that they aren't worth the investment (though if they really wanted to they could afford to fund an NSWcup team), and no other clubs in Canberra have stepped up to start a Canberra based NSWcup team independent of the Raiders because it simply costs too much and after a few years of heavy losses it's inevitable that they'd go broke.

So if Canberra and Melbourne can't/won't support teams of their own, I find it hard to believe that small PI nations will be able to support teams unless the NRL underwrites them, which I'm not necessarily against.

A team underwritten by the nrl based in wagga makes most sense to me. I recall the raiders whinging that they had to fund u16, u18 NYC NSW cup and nrl squads. The poor buggers having develop players and they had the balls to say they would cut back their investment if the nfl didnt change the transfer system. I hope it all ends with the ARL responsible for all grassroots.
 

Quidgybo

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Realistically there are only three countries outside Australia that could possibly support teams in the Platinum League - New Zealand (2 or 3 teams), PNG (1 team, maybe 2 at a stretch) and Fiji (1 team with plenty of help). It's just a case of basic demographics. New Zealand has a population of ~4.5m (400k Wellington, 380K Christchurch), PNG has a population of ~7.3m (Port Moresby 350K, Lae 100k), and Fiji has a population of ~840k (Greater Suva 300k). Even on those figures, given the relative poverty of PNG and Fiji, some degree of extra subsidisation from government and/or the NRL's central kitty is probably required to sustain the travel costs long term (and would be well worth it in both cases IMHO).

Now compare Samoa, Tonga and the Cook Islands. Samoa has a population of 180K (Apia 36k) or 235k if we include American Samoa to beef up the numbers. Tonga has a population of 100k (Nukuʻalofa 25k). The Cook Islands has a population of just *10k* (Avarua 5.5k). It's fanstasy land stuff to even consider Samoa, Tonga and the Cook Islands in the same discussion as New Zealand, PNG and Fiji. It'd be a waste of money to support Platinum League teams in these locations, not just because of the shear scale of subsidy that would be required but also because the return to the game from such small population bases would be minimal. We'd get a lot more back thru additional teams in each of New Zealand and PNG (or Toowoomba, Perth, Adelaide, Darwin etc etc).

It's fine to be ambitious but let's at least keep the conversation in the realm of the possible.

Leigh.
 
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The Great Dane

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Im intrigued by this statement about Canberra and its Queenbeyan Blues LC

Because in Townsville or Auckland they dont seem to have a issue

It's not that the Raiders can't afford their own NSW cup team, it's that they don't see the benefits of paying for their own when they can get all those benefits for a quarter of the investment by simply linking up with a independent NSW cup club (such as the Mounties).

No other Rugby League club in the ACT/Queanbeyan can afford to run their own NSW cup club, and there simply isn't enough interest in lower grade RL in the ACT for anybody to invest in starting a new club for the NSW cup, so Canberra doesn't have one.

But if the NRL give the new Platinum League the push it deserves and try and get it the prestige and interest that it deserves then I can see a handful of consortiums from Canberra, Queanbeyan and maybe Goulburn throwing their hats in the ring to get a license (like the Vikings did both times the NRC was announced) .

A team underwritten by the nrl based in wagga makes most sense to me.

For a team to be sustainable long term it'll need the money from Canberra/Queanbeyan businesses, and Canberra/Queanbeyan businesses won't be interested unless it's based in Canberra/Queanbeyan.

I'm not sure how they are zoning the teams for the Platinum league but realistically if they make a southern NSW/ACT zone or whatever they want to call it, then Canberra is the closest you're going to get to a middle point in that region, or at least a middle point with a population large enough to sustain a club anyway.

I recall the raiders whinging that they had to fund u16, u18 NYC NSW cup and nrl squads. The poor buggers having develop players and they had the balls to say they would cut back their investment if the nfl didnt change the transfer system. I hope it all ends with the ARL responsible for all grassroots.

They weren't complaining about how much it cost, they were complaining that they were investing millions per-player to get juniors from roughly under 15s-16s to NRL standard only for another club who spends f##k all on junior development (like yours, coincidentally) to come in just as the Raiders stand to reap the rewards for their investment and offer ridiculous money to the player (mind you, most of which is off the cap in third parties that a club like yours' has a unfair advantage to compared to mine, for a whole multitude of reasons that we won't get into here) and they leave and then the Raiders have invested in a weapon that is going to be used against them.

What the Raiders are complaining about is not how much it costs, it's that there is no incentives to develop juniors for an NRL club, but there're plenty of incentives to simply keep all your money in the bank and then poach all the best players that you can from clubs that do develop juniors.
And considering that developing juniors is better for the game then not developing juniors it makes no god damn sense that there're no incentives for developing juniors.

Besides the Raiders made good on their promise and have cut back on junior funding and started poaching players, and as you can see we've started steadily rising up the ladder since we started doing that, which is nice, but it's a bloody shame that we've been forced to take that route to success when for so many years we tried so hard to do the right thing and give back to the game by developing juniors but the NRL refused to make it viable for teams to do that, and the game's worse for the loss.

But now with the NRL taking over junior development none of that matters anymore.
 

Quidgybo

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And for exactly the reasons you've just outlined the Platinum League proposes to end that financial conflict by decoupling grade league development from the cutthroat self interest of the elite professional premiership clubs-cum-franchises. The unfortunate but unavoidable consequence is that it'll also end the direct involvement of those few elite clubs in Sydney that have grade league traditions stretching back near a century or more and are still happy to fund development.

Leigh.
 
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CQ Italia

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Suva and very close cities has total population 330k, Suva city urban area is 176k as per 2009.
They get 20k for big junior rep rugby games at the national stadium.
 

CQ Italia

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ouch lol

Its hard to see how these small nations would afford to host a team in an Australian comp. PNG are already struggling and they get a decent whack of Govt funding. TBF without pokie machines most NSW clubs would be struggling to host a reserve grade side, even with a big hand out Storm cant afford to host one in Melbourne. Seems a bit pie in the sky to me unless the NRL is going to spend significant sums supporting them.
Fiji has a lot of big companies, construction, resorts, telecommunications, among others.
 

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