New NSW Second division plan "Platinum League"

[siv]

When is Fiji cyclone season ?

 

[Quidgybo]

When is Fiji cyclone season ?

Same as North Queensland - ie. Southern Hemisphere summer.

http://www.met.gov.fj/aifs_prods/Tropical_Cyclone_Guidance_2015_16.pdf

 

[CC_Roosters]

Many european soccer leagues run an u21 or even u23 competition which also doubles as a reserve side but with restrictions on the number of overage players who can be in the matchday squad. Does anyone think that could have worked for the NYC instead of farming players out to state cups? Would also mean the coaches have max control over players development and state cups are not seen as reserve grade, therefore they can be an independant elite competition in their own right. Perhaps a more formal loan system again like soccer could also be implemented for movement between the nrl and second tier teams

 

[siv]

National RG
National U20s

Southern League / Northern League / Eastern League

All NRL and Tier 2 clubs have a U18 and U16 junior team

Everything else operates in A grade mode

Thats my blueprint

Simple

If a NRL club doesnt want to operate like this then they can revert to Tier 2 leagues

 

[East Coast Tiger]

There goes the billions.

 

[Diesel]

What does the commissioners do and if that can be answered is there one that oversees expansion and/or development for players outside of the East Coast?

 

[lturner]

National RG
National U20s

Southern League / Northern League / Eastern League

All NRL and Tier 2 clubs have a U18 and U16 junior team

Everything else operates in A grade mode

Thats my blueprint

Simple

If a NRL club doesnt want to operate like this then they can revert to Tier 2 leagues

This would dilute the lower tiers too much. Where does a 19yo player who is trying to establish themselves as a first grade NRL player go? Reserve grade, U20s or Platinum League? There is no clear comp which is just below the NRL.

 

[Perth Red]

What does the commissioners do and if that can be answered is there one that oversees expansion and/or development for players outside of the East Coast?

Not sure of a commissioner but there is a Gm in NRL who has the portfolio for "affiliated" states. Though this name is now irrelevant seeing as the states are no longer affiliated and are in fact part of the arlc. Eg what used to be the WARL is now company name of the ARLC WA and is branded NRLWA and operated by the NRL not locally.

 

[CC_Roosters]

National RG
National U20s

Southern League / Northern League / Eastern League

All NRL and Tier 2 clubs have a U18 and U16 junior team

Everything else operates in A grade mode

Thats my blueprint

Simple

If a NRL club doesnt want to operate like this then they can revert to Tier 2 leagues

Disagree with NRL clubs having an U16 team. At that age it should just be a district rep then junior footy as it is now.

Its going to be all about balance so at the end of the day he NSWRL will have to give some ground and the NRL will have to give some ground for any reform to occur.

As I posted earlier I would like to see the NYC kept and the age limit raised to U21 or U23, with 3-4 overage players permitted in the match day squad. So the NYC would basically become the national reserve grade you mentioned and would hopefully be more of a tougher competition. If the clubs are worried about funding travel, simply split the NYC into two 8 team conferences like below:

North- North Qld, Brisbane, Gold coast, Newcastle, Manly, Souths, Easts, Penrith
South- Warriors, Melbourne, Canberra, Dragons, Cronulla, Wests, Parra, Canterbury.

Worst case, interstate travel is centrally funded

Below NRL level is where it is were the reform is really messy and controversial. Should there be an U20 rep competition like the current SG Ball or do they go for a full home and away U20 league in parallel to the "platinum league"? I think the big advantage of my NYC proposal is that it gives clubs control over player development with a "reserve/development" squad playing tougher football. In theory this should then placate the NSW clubs enough to allow a full reform of the second tier in a similar way to what Richo has proposed. The biggest barrier then is convincing some clubs to surrender their second tier entity and have a country region as their appointed pathway.

 

[siv]

This would dilute the lower tiers too much. Where does a 19yo player who is trying to establish themselves as a first grade NRL player go? Reserve grade, U20s or Platinum League? There is no clear comp which is just below the NRL.

He gets selected by a NRL club in their National U20s

If good enough he plays in their National RG team

If he missed out on these teams he goes back to Tier 2 Leagues

 

[siv]

This would dilute the lower tiers too much. Where does a 19yo player who is trying to establish themselves as a first grade NRL player go? Reserve grade, U20s or Platinum League? There is no clear comp which is just below the NRL.

In respect to diluting the lower tiers we have 250 u20 players every year pushing up into higher levels. After 2 years everything will settle again

The other opportunity that arises is for the 4 bench players to play 40 min in National Reserve grade or National U20s

That brings 6 players per club 4 bench plus 2 emergency reserves back into National RG - thats 96 players ontop of players 20-32

What I would do for the NRL bench is allow a club to nominate 8 players for each game bench where first 4 can only be used

In respect U18s/U16s we already have this in place today

We are just missing some NSW Country teams and Adelaide

For clubs like Wenty Newtown Mt Pritchard I think they should have U18/U16 team instead of the academy teams

 

[siv]

What does the commissioners do and if that can be answered is there one that oversees expansion and/or development for players outside of the East Coast?

You will find they review and approve proposals to spend money or implement changes

Seems that the NRL has the charter to come up with proposals & stretegies

 

[alien]

This would dilute the lower tiers too much. Where does a 19yo player who is trying to establish themselves as a first grade NRL player go? Reserve grade, U20s or Platinum League? There is no clear comp which is just below the NRL.

under 20s, or reserve grade (if they are good and big enough)

 

[CC_Roosters]

http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/...ml?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=facebook




Tl;dr - the NRL plans to revamp the NSW Cup into a regional league with no specific clubs represented.

So many things wrong with this. Gus Gould is on the warpath on twitter about it and I'd expect articles to hit soon.

1) What's the point? It's not even a national reserve grade - it's just a rejigged NSW cup. Further reach could be achieved by the NSW Cup just by accepting new team entries. Without....

2) Damaging development pathways. Clubs will lose control over their youth and backup players. Players from different clubs will be playing together in reserve grade for no benefit. Clubs will lose incentive to invest in youth, providing scholarships and opportunities.

3) Seriously though what's the point?

4) Increasing NRL squads by 5 (good) but increasing the cap by $150k (geniused). This is in effect decreasing the cap by 250k, since the minimum wage is 80k.

5) No consultation with the clubs who currently handle all development work (the NRL does *nothing*) is ridiculously unprofessional.

6) Another step towards clubs having no local identity - not long before they exist purely as professional franchises with no connection to their birthplace except in name. I know this works in US Pro Sports but it isn't the way it's done here and it isn't the only correct way to run a sport.

They are clearly trying to move towards a NRL run development pathway with NSW as the first trial, I'd guess culminating in a draft. Not long until the QLD Cup is on the chopping block and they won't get a say in it either, but presumably they'll put up a fight.

The NRL has zero experience in developing players and are taking this away from clubs who've been doing it for 40 60 or 100 years.

They might have their finances in order under the ARLC for the first time ever but their decision making process around the game itself is catastrophic. The ARLC, Todd Greenberg, Shane Richardson, are a trainwreck.

http://www.theroar.com.au/2016/02/06/new-nrl-ceo-another-month-away-2/

Found this AAP article at the roar league section. It mentions specifically that the "platinum league" sits above the NSW and QLD cups. I had thought that with the initial nrl releases on this that it was the re-organization of the existing state leagues and not a new tier of conpetition. I am not neccessarily for or against either method as they both have good and bad points but some clarity on what they are doing would be nice since it affects fans and players.

I wish they would just release the strategic document to the public in its entirety to remove all of this hearsay, that would be good orporate governance and transparency which is likely too much to ask these days.

 

[alien]

http://www.theroar.com.au/2016/02/06/new-nrl-ceo-another-month-away-2/

Found this AAP article at the roar league section. It mentions specifically that the "platinum league" sits above the NSW and QLD cups. I had thought that with the initial nrl releases on this that it was the re-organization of the existing state leagues and not a new tier of conpetition. I am not neccessarily for or against either method as they both have good and bad points but some clarity on what they are doing would be nice since it affects fans and players.

I wish they would just release the strategic document to the public in its entirety to remove all of this hearsay, that would be good orporate governance and transparency which is likely too much to ask these days.

it will be a disaster. they should just let the nsw nrl clubs have their own nsw cup sides, and if places like dubbo, coffs harbour, fiji, etc, want to have a team in the nsw cup too then let them

 

[CC_Roosters]

it will be a disaster. they should just let the nsw nrl clubs have their own nsw cup sides, and if places like dubbo, coffs harbour, fiji, etc, want to have a team in the nsw cup too then let them

Imo a professional centrally funded second division could work, that is having teams with no affiliation to nrl clubs. The stronger brisbane clubs could probably transition to that as stand alone entities and then teams like the central coast bears, NZ franchises, west coast could get off the ground in the professional sense with a home in a second tier.

I think the best the best solution for the nrl clubs is too keep the NYC, increase the age to U21 and allow a certain number of overage players to be fielded on matchday. So it acts as a limited reserve grade and coaches have max control over development of contracted players all under nrl club branding. contracted players not in their short term plans could be loaned out to the lower tiers for development for set periods exactly like the FIFA player loan market. But i would split the NYC into two geographic baaed groups of 8 to limit the travel burden and drop the schedule to 21 games (3x7 H&A) with the league winners meeting on grand final day. Below NYC i would have U18 and U16 as they are now but with increased bush participation in NSW, really the pathway needs tidied up so we dont have the likes of the central coast weakened in both the NSWRL and CRL championships as players can only elect 1 to play in.

Richo and others seem obsessed with the US soorts models, the comment by richo about replicating the baseball minor league relationship with the MLB stands out as stupid to me. Really given rugby league players develop though club pathways and not schools/college means their case studies should have been looking at european football structures which is basically what i have mentioned above.

 

[unforgiven]

Imo a professional centrally funded second division could work, that is having teams with no affiliation to nrl clubs. The stronger brisbane clubs could probably transition to that as stand alone entities and then teams like the central coast bears, NZ franchises, west coast could get off the ground in the professional sense with a home in a second tier.

I think the best the best solution for the nrl clubs is too keep the NYC, increase the age to U21 and allow a certain number of overage players to be fielded on matchday. So it acts as a limited reserve grade and coaches have max control over development of contracted players all under nrl club branding. contracted players not in their short term plans could be loaned out to the lower tiers for development for set periods exactly like the FIFA player loan market. But i would split the NYC into two geographic baaed groups of 8 to limit the travel burden and drop the schedule to 21 games (3x7 H&A) with the league winners meeting on grand final day. Below NYC i would have U18 and U16 as they are now but with increased bush participation in NSW, really the pathway needs tidied up so we dont have the likes of the central coast weakened in both the NSWRL and CRL championships as players can only elect 1 to play in.

Richo and others seem obsessed with the US soorts models, the comment by richo about replicating the baseball minor league relationship with the MLB stands out as stupid to me. Really given rugby league players develop though club pathways and not schools/college means their case studies should have been looking at european football structures which is basically what i have mentioned above.

You make some good points. The issuesi have with your suggestions are if we are to keep the NYC it needs to mirror the NRL. Your tier directly belowthe NRL needs to be played at the same venue on the same day has the NRL game. Splitting it into conferences or shortening the season prevents this.

 

[Hello, I'm The Doctor]

http://www.theroar.com.au/2016/02/06/new-nrl-ceo-another-month-away-2/

Found this AAP article at the roar league section. It mentions specifically that the "platinum league" sits above the NSW and QLD cups. I had thought that with the initial nrl releases on this that it was the re-organization of the existing state leagues and not a new tier of conpetition. I am not neccessarily for or against either method as they both have good and bad points but some clarity on what they are doing would be nice since it affects fans and players.

I wish they would just release the strategic document to the public in its entirety to remove all of this hearsay, that would be good orporate governance and transparency which is likely too much to ask these days.

If i had to guess, id say the ARLC is just trying to take control of the NSW/QLD Cups away from the State bodies...

Its fairly standard practice in government and corporations to totally restructure divisions (that result in effectively the same set up) just to move along the management-level pricks.

The more i read, the less seems to actually be changing; the only dramatic proposal so far is mandating that players be distributed, rather than having the NRL team funnel all the players into their own side (which could very well be a miscommunication of a less ridiculous idea...)

 

[seanoff]

Richo and others seem obsessed with the US soorts models, the comment by richo about replicating the baseball minor league relationship with the MLB stands out as stupid to me. Really given rugby league players develop though club pathways and not schools/college means their case studies should have been looking at european football structures which is basically what i have mentioned above.

The MLB model is much closer to what is the historical NSWRL/QRL model. Each MLB team has series of teams all the way from summer leagues to the MLB itself. Every single one of those teams is directly handled by the MLB organisation.

So MLB stars coming back are often sent back to the " farm system " to get reps. The Yankees have 10 teams below the big league team. They do not lose control of their players, nor do their players play with anyone else's. The coaches, trainers etc all report up the line to the MLB team.

It's not a junior system but it is a player development system.

A changed but similar system in the NRL would look like u18s, u20s, Reserves, NRL. Not this platinum league idea.

The AFL tried this platinum league style thing. It doesn't exist anymore. The AFL clubs, like all the NRL clubs want direct control of their players.

This system will not last long.

 

[alien]

A changed but similar system in the NRL would look like u18s, u20s, Reserves, NRL. Not this platinum league idea.

that's how i think it should be. under 16s, under 18s, under 20s, reserve grade, first grade (all under the same brand). nsw cup and qld cup would still exist, but they would basically be 3rd grade. teams like norths, newtown, glebe (if they come back), mounties, wenty can be in that nsw cup comp along with coffs harbour, dubbo, etc