New recruits for 2023

[St Tangles]

Here's a fact !!! He's the best coach in the NRL, followed by Bellamy and Robinson.

I'd love to see how Robinson would go at a different club.
I think he is blessed at The Roosters.

 

[be55]

The Dolphins defended like they'd been defending together for years. Their attack was also good with plenty of offloads and shape and structure...

People talking about the quality of their team...Between the two halves, O'Sullivan had very limited first grade experience and Katoa was a debutant. Marshall-King, who I thought was a very average dummy half, had the best game I've seen him play by a country mile and was terrific...

People who think that Bennett wasn't a big reason for that performance yesterday are absolutely kidding themselves...

The playing group had only been together since November last year and produced that effort FFS...

 

[Parko1310]

The Dolphins defended like they'd been defending together for years. Their attack was also good with plenty of offloads and shape and structure...

People talking about the quality of their team...Between the two halves, O'Sullivan had very limited first grade experience and Katoa was a debutant. Marshall-King, who I thought was a very average dummy half, had the best game I've seen him play by a country mile and was terrific...

People who think that Bennett wasn't a big reason for that performance yesterday are absolutely kidding themselves...

The playing group had only been together since November last year and produced that effort FFS...

Was a great effort but people are underselling the team the Dolphins have. Marshall-King has always been underrated, on the back of a decent forward pack he was always going to be dangerous. O'Sullivan was very good when he came in for Cleary last year. Katoa is probably the biggest talent in the game. What a signing that was for the Dolphins, he has everything that kid and mark my words will be up there as an elite player in 3-4 years, maybe even sooner.

They have an experienced forward pack with a little bit of youth and mongrel mixed in there. They aren't a bad side by any stretch when their best 17 is on the park, their issue will be depth and the tiring of an ageing pack as the season drags on. With Bennett at the helm, they were never going to be right down the bottom. Somewhere between 10th-13th is a likely finish.

 

[Illusion]

I'd love to see how Robinson would go at a different club.
I think he is blessed at The Roosters.

Yep give him our lot and see how he goes ......

 

[Victoire]

I'd love to see how Robinson would go at a different club.
I think he is blessed at The Roosters.

He has coached at a different club: Catalans Dragons. He took them from the wooden spoon to consecutive prelim finals

 

[Old Timer]

He

He has coached at a different club: Catalans Dragons. He took them from the wooden spoon to consecutive prelim finals

With exactly the same squad that he inherited?

 

[Gareth67]

The Dolphins win is great news for the game , more so after knocking over the club that has it all the roosters - cream of the crop players , money coming out of their ears and the refs who seemingly are on their side .

Well done to the new boys in town and also to the Broncos who showed that they are capable of better things this year .

The Dragons I hope watched both of those games and realize that teamwork and a never say die attitude will go a long way in winning matches .

 

[St Tangles]

He has coached at a different club: Catalans Dragons. He took them from the wooden spoon to consecutive prelim finals

Other coaches have been successful over there and not successful here.
Before he can be spoken about as being n the class of Bennett I'd like to see him at an NRL club that has a standard salary cap.

 

[rasaint]

Old Timer ventured into the age old argument of how to rate coaches. Of course, winning % of games and winning premierships is where it is at regardless.

im in the middle and have previously posted on how even Wayne Bennett and Jack Gibson both tanked out with ordinary squads. Ivan Cleary has had phenomenal success with Panthers ( 76 % wins and 2 successive premierships) yet tanked with 1 st stint at Panthers and Tigers. Michael Maguire was fantastic at Wigan 76% wins and then won premiership in 2014 with South’s before tanking with Tigers. Trent Robinson and Craig Bellamy both at high profile, wealthy clubs winning premierships etc. Why go anywhere else! The big leg up to our 2010 comp win was we got Gaznier added after season start on a reported big back ended contract. That caused us to lose players 2011 and the cap was cactus I understand for highly criticised Steve Price 2012.

with the Dolphins they ( obviously big involvement from Wayne) bought half the Melbourne Storm pack and recruited others like ‘hammer time’. I considered them as a strong 2023 finals possibility from the get go. Even stronger next year.

 

[Old Timer]

Despite all the eulogising of coach’s and records bla bla bla some people need to understand the relevancy of what you inherit or are given to work with.

Changa CC’d from 72-76 and won 59% of his games with a very ordinary roster indeed. His results were incredible.

He inspired absolute reserve graders to perform at heights well above their capabilities and despite being blown away in the 75 GF one only needs to look at the team and ask how did they ever make the GF to actually understand the result.

Bellamy, Bennett, Robinson have never had such a poor roster to work with although Bennett at Newcastle probably does shed some light on the situation but on the whole they have always had plenty of good cattle to work with and plenty of money to get more where they came from.

By the way Sticks record as a coach flogs the shit out of all of them including Gibson, Gould and Ryan.

Coaching information
Club Years Team Gms W D L W% 1962–65 St George 81 66 2 13 81 1968 St George 24 14 3 7 58 1975 Parramatta 27 14 1 12 52 1978–79 Cronulla-Sutherland 50 31 2 17 62 Total 182 125 8 49 69

 

[Mojo]

Despite all the eulogising of coach’s and records bla bla bla some people need to understand the relevancy of what you inherit or are given to work with.

Changa CC’d from 72-76 and won 59% of his games with a very ordinary roster indeed. His results were incredible.

He inspired absolute reserve graders to perform at heights well above their capabilities and despite being blown away in the 75 GF one only needs to look at the team and ask how did they ever make the GF to actually understand the result.

Bellamy, Bennett, Robinson have never had such a poor roster to work with although Bennett at Newcastle probably does shed some light on the situation but on the whole they have always had plenty of good cattle to work with and plenty of money to get more where they came from.

By the way Sticks record as a coach flogs the shit out of all of them including Gibson, Gould and Ryan.

Coaching information
Club Years Team Gms W D L W% 1962–65 St George 81 66 2 13 81 1968 St George 24 14 3 7 58 1975 Parramatta 27 14 1 12 52 1978–79 Cronulla-Sutherland 50 31 2 17 62 Total 182 125 8 49 69

Changa cc'd at state and international level also with something like 74% win ratio. Different times but freakish never the less.

 

[jak]

Despite all the eulogising of coach’s and records bla bla bla some people need to understand the relevancy of what you inherit or are given to work with.

Changa CC’d from 72-76 and won 59% of his games with a very ordinary roster indeed. His results were incredible.

He inspired absolute reserve graders to perform at heights well above their capabilities and despite being blown away in the 75 GF one only needs to look at the team and ask how did they ever make the GF to actually understand the result.

Bellamy, Bennett, Robinson have never had such a poor roster to work with although Bennett at Newcastle probably does shed some light on the situation but on the whole they have always had plenty of good cattle to work with and plenty of money to get more where they came from.

By the way Sticks record as a coach flogs the shit out of all of them including Gibson, Gould and Ryan.

Coaching information
Club Years Team Gms W D L W% 1962–65 St George 81 66 2 13 81 1968 St George 24 14 3 7 58 1975 Parramatta 27 14 1 12 52 1978–79 Cronulla-Sutherland 50 31 2 17 62 Total 182 125 8 49 69

also in those days players played for the fun off the game,

 

[Saints Forever]

Despite all the eulogising of coach’s and records bla bla bla some people need to understand the relevancy of what you inherit or are given to work with.

Changa CC’d from 72-76 and won 59% of his games with a very ordinary roster indeed. His results were incredible.

He inspired absolute reserve graders to perform at heights well above their capabilities and despite being blown away in the 75 GF one only needs to look at the team and ask how did they ever make the GF to actually understand the result.

Bellamy, Bennett, Robinson have never had such a poor roster to work with although Bennett at Newcastle probably does shed some light on the situation but on the whole they have always had plenty of good cattle to work with and plenty of money to get more where they came from.

By the way Sticks record as a coach flogs the shit out of all of them including Gibson, Gould and Ryan.

Coaching information
Club Years Team Gms W D L W% 1962–65 St George 81 66 2 13 81 1968 St George 24 14 3 7 58 1975 Parramatta 27 14 1 12 52 1978–79 Cronulla-Sutherland 50 31 2 17 62 Total 182 125 8 49 69

My favourite player OT

Had an ordinary roster but also the ability to inspire.

 

[justadragon]

Despite all the eulogising of coach’s and records bla bla bla some people need to understand the relevancy of what you inherit or are given to work with.

Changa CC’d from 72-76 and won 59% of his games with a very ordinary roster indeed. His results were incredible.

He inspired absolute reserve graders to perform at heights well above their capabilities and despite being blown away in the 75 GF one only needs to look at the team and ask how did they ever make the GF to actually understand the result.

Bellamy, Bennett, Robinson have never had such a poor roster to work with although Bennett at Newcastle probably does shed some light on the situation but on the whole they have always had plenty of good cattle to work with and plenty of money to get more where they came from.

By the way Sticks record as a coach flogs the shit out of all of them including Gibson, Gould and Ryan.

Coaching information
Club Years Team Gms W D L W% 1962–65 St George 81 66 2 13 81 1968 St George 24 14 3 7 58 1975 Parramatta 27 14 1 12 52 1978–79 Cronulla-Sutherland 50 31 2 17 62 Total 182 125 8 49 69

I think making comparisons between the modern era and then are a bit skew-if, there are many differences.

 

[Slippery Morris]

Trent Robinson joined the Roosters in 2013 the year before he joined they finished 13th so I don't think he inherited a good roster he just got them to the next level. His 1st year 2013 they finished 1st winning the GF. He did not have the luxury of picking the best players from the whole state of Qld, and he did not introduce wrestling, chicken wings, rolling pins,etc to slow teams down or injure and has not be caught with rorting the salary cap.

He has won 3 premierships and 3 World Cup challenges. He won 2 back to back. He gets rid of TVS brings in Teddy, Pearce for Cronk etc which is just smart recruitment on the back of great team performance. We always hear when the chooks pick up a gun but what about when he lost Minichello, Mitch Pearce, SBW, Cordner, Friend, Maloney, Latrell Mitchell, Blake Ferguson? All big game players. Roosters just planned well to replace them to maintain high standards.

For me Robo is the best coach by a mile with Cleary 2nd. The others had a luxury of a plethora of players to pick from or had to manipulate the rules to get success. Players want to go to the Chooks to play for Robo look at Suallii, Keary, JWH,

We can only wish the Saints had the same management as the Roosters. They demand success and make every effort to achieve it from the playing group to the coaching staff to Admin.

 

[Trifili13]

Trent Robinson joined the Roosters in 2013 the year before he joined they finished 13th so I don't think he inherited a good roster he just got them to the next level. His 1st year 2013 they finished 1st winning the GF. He did not have the luxury of picking the best players from the whole state of Qld, and he did not introduce wrestling, chicken wings, rolling pins,etc to slow teams down or injure and has not be caught with rorting the salary cap.

He has won 3 premierships and 3 World Cup challenges. He won 2 back to back. He gets rid of TVS brings in Teddy, Pearce for Cronk etc which is just smart recruitment on the back of great team performance. We always hear when the chooks pick up a gun but what about when he lost Minichello, Mitch Pearce, SBW, Cordner, Friend, Maloney, Latrell Mitchell, Blake Ferguson? All big game players. Roosters just planned well to replace them to maintain high standards.

For me Robo is the best coach by a mile with Cleary 2nd. The others had a luxury of a plethora of players to pick from or had to manipulate the rules to get success. Players want to go to the Chooks to play for Robo look at Suallii, Keary, JWH,

We can only wish the Saints had the same management as the Roosters. They demand success and make every effort to achieve it from the playing group to the coaching staff to Admin.

Undoubtedly Robo is an excellent coach and the Chooks are a very well run club. That's why when they need a half back as Pearce wasn't quite hitting the mark they got Cronk. They needed a fullback, they got Teddy. The needed a winger they got B Moz and then his brother. Maloney left they get Keary. The Dragon's on the other hand get plodders. Can you see Robo needing a prop with mongrel and getting Woods or replacing a Widdup with Norman?

While elite coaches in all sports improve players, they can only do so much. Doesn't matter if you had Robo, Bellamy and Bennett all coaching the Tigers or Dogs the last couple of years, do you think they could improve them to make the 8 let alone top 4? I don't.

 

[Dragon David]

Undoubtedly Robo is an excellent coach and the Chooks are a very well run club. That's why when they need a half back as Pearce wasn't quite hitting the mark they got Cronk. They needed a fullback, they got Teddy. The needed a winger they got B Moz and then his brother. Maloney left they get Keary. The Dragon's on the other hand get plodders. Can you see Robo needing a prop with mongrel and getting Woods or replacing a Widdup with Norman?

While elite coaches in all sports improve players, they can only do so much. Doesn't matter if you had Robo, Bellamy and Bennett all coaching the Tigers or Dogs the last couple of years, do you think they could improve them to make the 8 let alone top 4? I don't.

It's hard to say Trifili13. For sure the Roosters have a great set-up from top to bottom with a great coach in Robinson. So too the Storm, Bellamy, and now Souths (where Bennett coached them to grand final). These coaches know the type of players they need to have a competitive team and once you have a nucleus of the players you need, when the time comes to add or replace, it just takes a little tinkering here and there and stick to a tried and true formula.

Ok, the Roosters got beaten on the weekend, but, they are there worst enemy at the start of the comp and they will go ahead in leaps and bounds in the comp proper subject to the usual availability of fit players. The Panthers had a loss but Cleary will get them firing again once the new guys settle in more - may not be as dominant as in previous years but will do enough to make finals. Bellamy has plenty of new kids playing after the Bromwich brothers and several others left, plus Ryan the fullback is still to come back so they will be up there.

I think if any one of these coaches went to the Bulldogs, Dragons, Tigers, they will have success without a doubt.

 

[Old Timer]

I think making comparisons between the modern era and then are a bit skew-if, there are many differences.

Many differences you say please enlighten me?

 

[Mojo]

Many differences you say please enlighten me?

Leather balls. No bunker. Criminal behaviour tolerated, even encouraged. No women. No pride. Only black boots. Ball fed into the tunnel. No shit music over the PA. BYO grog. Biffo and coat hangers. All game changers!

 

[AyiosYiorgos]

Bennett is the best coach in the modern era, he has won GF with 2 different teams, he got Souths to the GF and Newcastle to the Prelim' final, Bellamy and Robinson have only coached at the one club.
Robinson from what i have heard/read is the better tactical coach, compared to Bennett and Bellamy, i would take any of them over what we have or what is available.