New Zealand 2 will deal a massive blow to NZ rugby

[Perth Red]

It’s weird he’s going out of his way to find scenarios where rugby league would get less

if we want to pick holes at bids Perth is a literal sieve

i suspect rugby league ratings would’ve doubled this year in New Zealand

sky sports sponsored the kiwis

they are working as partners to grow rugby league

but they won’t want to invest in one of their top ratings sports

Sorry the real word encroaches on your fantasy land lol. The reality is when there has been no competitive tension in tv negotiations nrl hasnt increase the deal. We had numerous sky nz deals prior to the spark interest that remained static and ch9 in this deal that remained static.
Mine is an opinion based on historical evidence, yours and gobs are just wishes and hopes. I may be wrong, but history is on my side.

 

[BuffaloRules]

It’s weird he’s going out of his way to find scenarios where rugby league would get less

if we want to pick holes at bids Perth is a literal sieve

i suspect rugby league ratings would’ve doubled this year in New Zealand

sky sports sponsored the kiwis

they are working as partners to grow rugby league

but they won’t want to invest in one of their top ratings sports

Of course the Perth TV market is all upside with the 5-10k watching NRL on Nine

 

[Perth Red]

Of course the Perth TV market is all upside with the 5-10k watching NRL on Nine

Nz2 thread

 

[BuffaloRules]

Sorry the real word encroaches on your fantasy land lol. The reality is when there has been no competitive tension in tv negotiations nrl hasnt increase the deal. We had numerous sky nz deals prior to the spark interest that remained static and ch9 in this deal that remained static.
Mine is an opinion based on historical evidence, yours and gobs are just wishes and hopes. I may be wrong, but history is on my side.

So answer my question ? Why pay even $20m a year then?

 

[Gobsmacked]

Sheesh, are we back to this again? The NRL is not massive for Sky, their most important subscriber base is rugby.

Yes, they want to keep the NRL subscribers and not lose the sport to another broadcaster (as we saw with Spark), but it doesn't drive the organisation.

Cool that you're living in Christchurch for 5 weeks (for work? Have you eaten at Benson's?) but you seem to have an odd takeaway of the relative size of the sports - especially considering a morning match in the RWC has been easily the most watched in the country this year.

Yes, lets have a NZ2, but keep the feet on the ground, it's not going to determine the success/failure of Sky. Let's also see if the Warriors can maintain the momentum next year (with Webster on board I'm more confident than not, but there's still the chance that George and the owner could tank everything).

The trajectory of League is what we're talking about and another team just kicks that up.
Yeah 1 game a week in a comp only staged once every 4 years- I've been watching the games! And to be fair, they've been good and close! But rare events are watched by many- is there anything more dull than an eclipse?

I don't think the All blacks or their popularity is anything to concern the NRL, the only subscribers they are really bringing in are bars. There's not a lot of people forking out for a subscription for 10 games a year, maybe 3 or 4 that are a contest- you just go to the pub .
Super Rugby is possibly worth it but it's in decline massively.
The genuine week to week Rugby contest in the southern hemisphere is the NRL- by far the biggest Rugby competition in the southern hemisphere if not the world.
Yeah- it means a lot to sky and more by the day - exceptionally more with another team!

 

[Wb1234]

Sorry the real word encroaches on your fantasy land lol. The reality is when there has been no competitive tension in tv negotiations nrl hasnt increase the deal. We had numerous sky nz deals prior to the spark interest that remained static and ch9 in this deal that remained static.
Mine is an opinion based on historical evidence, yours and gobs are just wishes and hopes. I may be wrong, but history is on my side.

What evidence

a union troll made this up

Someone who everything he posted was bs and proven wrong and you are parroting him

warriors got more for one game than a whole season for a Perth nrl team

 

[Wb1234]

The trajectory of League is what we're talking about and another team just kicks that up.
Yeah 1 game a week in a comp only staged once every 4 years- I've been watching the games! And to be fair, they've been good and close! But rare events are watched by many- is there anything more dull than an eclipse?

I don't think the All blacks or their popularity is anything to concern the NRL, the only subscribers they are really bringing in are bars. There's not a lot of people forking out for a subscription for 10 games a year, maybe 3 or 4 that are a contest- you just go to the pub .
Super Rugby is possibly worth it but it's in decline massively.
The genuine week to week Rugby contest in the southern hemisphere is the NRL- by far the biggest Rugby competition in the southern hemisphere if not the world.
Yeah- it means a lot to sky and more by the day - exceptionally more with another team!

Does that guy ever post anything other than defending his beloved union lol

at club level it’s probably the case that the warriors are worth more to sky than the super rugby competition combined

with the warriors rating on par with the all blacks they would kill for more similar content

we have a lot of work to do for the kiwis though

their level of interest is marginal at best

 

[Gobsmacked]

Sorry the real word encroaches on your fantasy land lol. The reality is when there has been no competitive tension in tv negotiations nrl hasnt increase the deal. We had numerous sky nz deals prior to the spark interest that remained static and ch9 in this deal that remained static.
Mine is an opinion based on historical evidence, yours and gobs are just wishes and hopes. I may be wrong, but history is on my side.

The trouble is that you don't want to admit nz2 will bring in tv revenue because you want Perth.
Try having a look at the world without your Pirates hat on.
It vastly different.

 

[Gobsmacked]

Does that guy ever post anything other than defending his beloved union lol

at club level it’s probably the case that the warriors are worth more to sky than the super rugby competition combined

with the warriors rating on par with the all blacks they would kill for more similar content

we have a lot of work to do for the kiwis though

their level of interest is marginal at best

I'll be cheering on the Kiwis Saturday night. Kiwis are very proud of their country- and they should be! It's spectacular and the people are amazing! The All blacks have given them reason to be proud and show it!
The All blacks are one of the most successful teams in the world across anything! A lot of pride!
If the Kiwis can give them the same sense of pride- watch a seismic shift across nz that will surpass what we've seen with the Warriors! Watch this space.

 

[Wb1234]

The trouble is that you don't want to admit nz2 will bring in tv revenue because you want Perth.
Try having a look at the world without your Pirates hat on.
It vastly different.

Ask him about what Perth bring to the Australian tv deal and watch the bs

when the real answer is zero

 

[Perth Red]

So answer my question ? Why pay even $20m a year then?

Because thats what they felt it was worth to them and they know thats what NRL will accept. It was $20mill for many years, went up to $32mill this deal (cash not known) purely because of spark rival bidding.

To think they will be happy to increase it by a further 40% on this big increase just because of a second NZ team is fanciful at best. It fits peoples narrative and justifications on here but in reality is highly unlikely, unless there is a rival bidder.

 

[Wb1234]

I'll be cheering on the Kiwis Saturday night. Kiwis are very proud of their country- and they should be! It's spectacular and the people are amazing! The All blacks have given them reason to be proud and show it!
The All blacks are one of the most successful teams in the world across anything! A lot of pride!
If the Kiwis can give them the same sense of pride- watch a seismic shift across nz that will surpass what we've seen with the Warriors! Watch this space.

One of my fondest moments was the World Cup final in Brisbane where slater threw the intercept for Benji to score

 

[Perth Red]

Does that guy ever post anything other than defending his beloved union lol

at club level it’s probably the case that the warriors are worth more to sky than the super rugby competition combined

with the warriors rating on par with the all blacks they would kill for more similar content

we have a lot of work to do for the kiwis though

their level of interest is marginal at best

hmmm $32mill v $80 mill + 5% stake. Either All blacks are hugely valuable for the few games a year they play or Super Rugby is. Which is it?

 

[Wb1234]

hmmm $32mill v $80 mill + 5% stake. Either All blacks are hugely valuable for the few games a year they play or Super Rugby is. Which is it?

Nah the all blacks games aren’t valuable

hahahaha

 

[Matua]

Record crowds this year wasn’t it?

Ive been around following them on this side of the puddle since their inception,,, and this year seemed like a new peak to me

I think 1995 might have been the highest, followed by this year. The asterisk with this year though might be the ticket pricing, my mates went to lots of the games for $10/$20. Personally, I think low ticket pricing is a great idea, any Warriors game I see in Oz is usually minimum of $40, and it's usually a loss.

But, as I said to gob, hopefully they can maintain the on field standards, and the hype, aside from that stupid wahs saying which I hope dies asap.

 

[Perth Red]

The trouble is that you don't want to admit nz2 will bring in tv revenue because you want Perth.
Try having a look at the world without your Pirates hat on.
It vastly different.

No the trouble is history says it isnt so when dealing with Sky NZ. There is literally no evidence that they will increase the deal 40% on an already increased deal unless there is competition for the rights .
But like I said its all hypotheticals as you or I dont know for sure, Im sure its one of the things NRL is discussing with them in deciding on future teams.

 

[Gobsmacked]

One of my fondest moments was the World Cup final in Brisbane where slater threw the intercept for Benji to score

2009 after that wc win saw a massive uptake of League in NZ. If that success was maintained, the game would be dominating now.
If the Kiwis start beating Australia, not only will interest in watching internationals increase in NZ but it will in Australia too.
We don't want to beat nobody's.

 

[Perth Red]

Nah the all blacks games aren’t valuable

hahahaha

You and Gobs need to get on the same page lol


Gobs said:
I don't think the All blacks or their popularity is anything to concern the NRL, the only subscribers they are really bringing in are bars. There's not a lot of people forking out for a subscription for 10 games a year, maybe 3 or 4 that are a contest- you just go to the pub .

 

[BuffaloRules]

Because thats what they felt it was worth to them and they know thats what NRL will accept. It was $20mill for many years, went up to $32mill this deal (cash not known) purely because of spark rival bidding.

To think they will be happy to increase it by a further 40% on this big increase just because of a second NZ team is fanciful at best. It fits peoples narrative and justifications on here but in reality is highly unlikely, unless there is a rival bidder.

Things dont stay the same…and the NRL might not accept it the next time

It’s $10 mil a year … hardly sheep stations …provided of course that the NRL can demonstrate increased ratings over there …

And there might be a rival bidder again in the future …if not the next time …so it might be nice cultivate a partnership rather than a “take it or leave it“ approach from the outset…

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

Can't disagree about the bias you talk about with those guys, but you be hard pressed to find anyone in RL that's a clean skin in that regard.

On the timing, I completely agree. I think SEQ can definitely support another team and that it would be of great benefit to the game, but I'm happy for them to wait to be team 20 if needs be.

On relocation of another QLD NRL team, no. That would defeat the purpose od the exercise. You want to tread that fine line of growing into the future with the region without oversaturating. Broncos, Dolphins and WC could all exist and all draw over 20k averages at the same time which is a net gain in supporters and all three would be in the top 5 of the NRL in that regard

One option is for the Brisbane Tigers to buy a stake in the Gold Coast Titans. Could rebrand as the East Coast Titans. Or they could remain the Gold Coast Titans and wear gold and black. Six games at Robina. Six at Lang Park.