New Zealand 2 will deal a massive blow to NZ rugby

[Canard]

That South Island bid had a huge launch in Vegas.

Really captured the attention of the world's press.

 

[Vlad59]

That South Island bid had a huge launch in Vegas.

Really captured the attention of the world's press.

I think you should post that again. We didn’t quite get the first 50 times.

 

[Perth Red]

That South Island bid had a huge launch in Vegas.

Really captured the attention of the world's press.

He’s got some serious egg on his face and hasn’t done the bids credibility any favours.

 

[Maximus]

Enough of this bs

nz2 is a real possibility now

this launch in Vegas could be huge

So since it didn't happen, does that mean NZ2 is no longer a real possibility.

 

[Vlad59]

So since it didn't happen, does that mean NZ2 is no longer a real possibility.

The way you 3 tag team is really cute.

 

[The Great Dane]

Won’t happen in our lifetimes.

I don't necessarily disagree with what you're saying, in fact I pretty much totally agree with it, but people said the same thing about American football overtaking baseball in the US back in the day. . .

It's not impossible that RL could overtake RU in popularity in NZ, however it'd take a lot more than two professional teams, the NRL would have to bankroll that growth for generations, and even then RU would have to screw up repeatedly to create a niche in the market that the NRL could fill.

So yeah it's a fanciful idea that'd be extremely expensive to pull off, but it's not totally unrealistic.

 

[Vlad59]

Won’t happen in our lifetimes.

For the same reason that even if RA had a $500m war chest, they couldn’t take over league in Sydney… the game is too deeply embedded in the community.

Money doesn’t change generational history, at least not in a timeframe that TV and corporate execs would accept. Only dictatorships and genocide will do that and I’m assuming PVL isn’t keen on that idea.

And why would the NRL want to "take over NZ" anyway? Revenue is the goal of any expansion plans and domestically, NZ isn’t big enough to warrant the effort and cost it would take.

NRL revenues are already more than 2x NZR's and most of NZR's sponsorship revenue is paid by global corporates based in Europe and Japan who are leveraging the All Blacks international appeal. None of those corporates have an interest in league because their markets don't. If rugby died in NZ, they wont suddenly invest in the NRL.

Its a stupid concept. The NRL has far bigger and more worthwhile opportunities elsewhere, as we saw on the weekend.

Good post. What we should be doing is focussing on making league stronger in NZ, potentially moving to two teams there and maximising their value to the comp. What happens to union is pretty much irrelevant. It’s massive over there and that’s not going to change for a long time. It’s not our concern tbh. If anything it’s a pointless distraction. Similarly in Melbourne our approach should be to grow participation, improve pathways and encourage locals to follow and engage in our sport. That’s happening now. It works.

 

[Wb1234]

That’s Just pure stupidity. one nrl club in Christchurch is not going to see rugby league come close to overtaking union. It would need massive funds (nzru spend $300mil a year v around $27mill spent on league) and a massive up lift in people playing the game (25k rl players v 150k union players) for starters.


a second nrl team will boost rugby league but it won’t get it anywhere near seeing league take over from union, it’s pure idiocy to think it will.

You are always wrong though

didn’t you say Vegas would be a disaster lmao

 

[Vlad59]

You are always wrong though

didn’t you say Vegas would be a disaster lmao

He’s gone very quiet on Vegas.

 

[Wb1234]

He’s gone very quiet on Vegas.

Didn’t post a thing on the match threads so probably didn’t watch it

 

[Vlad59]

Didn’t post a thing on the match threads so probably didn’t watch it

Probable watching a dockers trial match.

 

[Perth Red]

Didn’t post a thing on the match threads so probably didn’t watch it

I’m living it up in Bali so no I didn’t. did I miss much?I heard Perth got a bigger crowd? lol

 

[Vlad59]

I’m living it up in Bali so no I didn’t. did I miss much?I heard Perth got a bigger crowd? lol

By Bali you actually mean Mandurah don’t you?

 

[Wb1234]

I’m living it up in Bali so no I didn’t. did I miss much?I heard Perth got a bigger crowd? lol

Back for the start of your afl this week

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

Stop being a merkin, sayinf league will take over union in nz is as dumb arse as someone saying ’put a team in Perth and league will take over afl there’. It’s stupid and you should feel stupid for buying into the stupidity.

I never said RL will take over New Zealand.

My point is you're always talking up Perth and talk down every other market that'a competing for an NRL licence. You can be an advocate for a Perth-based NRL team without talking down every other market.

I don't agree with the proposition that RL will overtake RU in New Zealand, but I believe it can carve out a stronger niche over there than in Perth.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

Like I said, we could but it would take a monumental shift on funding and decades of serious commitment. And arlc is unlikley to offer either. They’d need to up the current $20mill a year it spends in nz to $200mill for starters. You think that’ll happen? Then you’d need to bring in at least two more nrl clubs. Highly unlikely. Then you’d need a massive culture shift program in schools and jnrs, good luck with that. Then finally for all those efforts unless union declines to the point it looses public support then none of that will matter. People need to be realistic

Yet you think the NRL can generate a strong player pool and fanbase in Perth by giving them an NRL licence for a red, black and Gold team called the Pirates and $3m per year for player development?

Delusional.

Investing $3m in NZRL would provide a better return on player development. A second and a third team in New Zealand adds value to the broadcast rights because it provides more local content for Sky NZ.

I honestly don't see any metric where Perth provides a better return than New Zealand 2.

 

[Wb1234]

Yet you think the NRL can generate a strong player pool and fanbase in Perth by giving them an NRL licence for a red, black and Gold team called the Pirates and $3m per year for player development?

Delusional.

Investing $3m in NZRL would provide a better return on player development. A second and a third team in New Zealand adds value to the broadcast rights because it provides more local content for Sky NZ.

I honestly don't see any metric where Perth provides a better return than New Zealand 2.

Brisbane or nz could have 3 teams and they would be stronger rugby league clubs

 

[SpaceMonkey]

Good post. What we should be doing is focussing on making league stronger in NZ, potentially moving to two teams there and maximising their value to the comp. What happens to union is pretty much irrelevant. It’s massive over there and that’s not going to change for a long time. It’s not our concern tbh. If anything it’s a pointless distraction. Similarly in Melbourne our approach should be to grow participation, improve pathways and encourage locals to follow and engage in our sport. That’s happening now. It works.

See this is actually sensible. Union in. NZ is like Union in Canberra, in many ways it’s better for league if both codes thrive- juniors and fans will move between the two anyway.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

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Brisbane or nz could have 3 teams and they would be stronger rugby league clubs

I honestly don't see the rush for Perth to have a team. It won't lead to an explosion in playing numbers. Nor will it add many viewers to the game.

My biggest concern with Perth is it will rely on sustained on field success to carve out a niche in a hostile market.

We still don't know how much support the Storm will have when they go on a losing run. Things could turn sour for the Storm when Bellamy retires. I estimate he'll be retired by the next TV deal. The last thing we want to do is add a team in Perth around the time Bellamy retires.

 

[Perth Red]

Yet you think the NRL can generate a strong player pool and fanbase in Perth by giving them an NRL licence for a red, black and Gold team called the Pirates and $3m per year for player development?

Delusional.

Investing $3m in NZRL would provide a better return on player development. A second and a third team in New Zealand adds value to the broadcast rights because it provides more local content for Sky NZ.

I honestly don't see any metric where Perth provides a better return than New Zealand 2.

It’s not an and or, perth and nz2 will likely be in if we go to 20 Clubs.