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New Zealand 2 will deal a massive blow to NZ rugby

titoelcolombiano

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The North Sydney Bears have met with ARL Commission boss Peter V’landys and declared “we are ready” as the NRL prepares to table a historic document for a 20-team league by the 2032 Brisbane Olympics.

This masthead can reveal NRL hierarchy is putting the finishing touches on a strategic plan, to be shown to the existing 17 clubs, outlining rugby league’s most ambitious expansion drive since the Super League war.

It can be revealed:

  • North Sydney chiefs held talks with V’landys on the day of Origin I last Wednesday as their hopes of a stunning return to the big league gather steam;
  • Perth’s entry to the NRL will be contingent on joining forces with the Bears;
  • The door is all but shut on a fifth Queensland club being part of a 20-team league;
  • The Bears and a second New Zealand franchise are fighting it out for the NRL’s 19th licence; and
  • A secret third Christchurch consortium has entered the race to launch a second NRL team in New Zealand.
As first revealed by this masthead last month, the NRL is ramping up expansion plans with an 18th team in Papua New Guinea, backed by $600 million in Federal government funding.

It could be announced as early as July, but more likely by the end of this season.

Now the ARL Commission is getting serious about the code’s biggest growth project in 30 years.

The 17 clubs will receive detailed information on plans to add three clubs within the decade after the NRL created an expansion task-force, headed by Commissioners Peter Beattie and Kate Jones, to begin due diligence on PNG.

The ‘Expansion Masterplan’ will formally outline the 20-team league, where the new teams will be based, when they will come in and the multifaceted benefits of having an international presence in the Pacific.

The game’s existing clubs will be offered a financial sweetener to garner their support for expansion. It is understood discussions have been held with PNG and the Federal government over charging a licence fee to the 18th team of more than $50 million.

It would then be shared across the 17 clubs to win their backing.

Well-placed sources say the clubs want as much as an additional $170 million over the five years of the next broadcasting cycle.

V’landys declined to comment on the Norths meeting but confirmed the ARL Commission is seeking new fans in new markets, putting PNG, Perth Bears and a second Kiwi team firmly in the expansion frame.

“I am super confident there will be 20 teams, that’s the ambition,” he said.

“I’m not confirming anyone will be the 18th or 19th or 20th team, but the main assessment criteria we are looking at is – are you bringing new fans in, because we don’t want fans stolen from another team.

“The analysis will show us what the best options are and what the bid teams have to prove to us is they will bring in a new audience.

“The Dolphins got over the line because they showed they would bring more eyeballs to the game because more fan support brings in more revenue.

“Papua New Guinea is an easy one. They will bring in new fans. Perth is an easy one because that’s another new market. Christchurch will attract new fans as well.

“I think it (20 teams) can be done within a decade or even earlier.

“If we don’t expand, we will never reach our full potential.” North Sydney walked away from the meeting with V’landys buoyed by the strongest hope yet the mighty Bears are coming back to the big league.

It is understood Perth will not be admitted to the NRL as a stand-alone club, and nor would the Bears.

The NRL’s preference is for a Perth Bears joint-venture relocation model operating under a motto of ‘Two Histories, One Future’ – ostensibly becoming the Sydney Swans of the NRL.

The Bears will agree to a full-time franchise based in Western Australia, on the proviso their heritage is recognised.

The proposed 19th club would have the Bears logo, feature black-and-red colouring and play two NRL games annually at North Sydney Oval in honour of the club’s 116-year foundation roots.

Newtown Jets have also held discussions with the Perth consortium in the hope of reviving the Bluebags in the top league.

The NRL has yet to finalise an expansion time frame.

PNG is most likely to enter the NRL in 2028, while the Perth Bears and a Christchurch-based team could complete a 20-team premiership by the Brisbane Games in 2032.

That is the year in which the code’s next TV rights deal will expire, setting the NRL up for a record broadcast bonanza with 10 televised games weekly for 2033 and beyond.

North Sydney chairman Daniel Dickson confirmed the meeting with V’landys and says the Bears, who last played in the premiership in 1999, can hit the ground running as an NRL operation.

“We’ve had ongoing dialogue with the NRL and this meeting was just a regular catch-up,” he said.

“We are very confident we are ready.

“That’s the point. The benefit of the Bears is that we have the following, we now have a feeder system and that’s an attraction to the NRL.

“Perth has a great flavour and we’d be only too happy to march in that direction.”

The Brisbane Tigers could be snubbed. They are gunning to be Queensland’s fifth franchise but there is a view the Sunshine State risks becoming a saturated market and cannot sustain another NRL team after the addition of the Dolphins last year.

Wests Tigers boss Shane Richardson, the former NRL strategy chief who investigated expansion in 2015, backed V’landys’ vision for a 20-team competition.

“We would love to see an expansion blueprint because there’s no doubt 20 teams could work,” Richardson said.

“People say we haven’t got the players, but we have the players if we have a bigger view of what the game is about.

“We are in a position now to become the dominant code in Australia and across the board.

“There is no doubt we can go to 20 teams, but let’s sit down now and look at the financial side of it.

“What are the dollars and cents of it all and what is television willing to pay for a 20-team league.”
Love all of this.... except two games at North Sydney Oval
 

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The North Sydney Bears have met with ARL Commission boss Peter V’landys and declared “we are ready” as the NRL prepares to table a historic document for a 20-team league by the 2032 Brisbane Olympics.

This masthead can reveal NRL hierarchy is putting the finishing touches on a strategic plan, to be shown to the existing 17 clubs, outlining rugby league’s most ambitious expansion drive since the Super League war.

It can be revealed:

  • North Sydney chiefs held talks with V’landys on the day of Origin I last Wednesday as their hopes of a stunning return to the big league gather steam;
  • Perth’s entry to the NRL will be contingent on joining forces with the Bears;
  • The door is all but shut on a fifth Queensland club being part of a 20-team league;
  • The Bears and a second New Zealand franchise are fighting it out for the NRL’s 19th licence; and
  • A secret third Christchurch consortium has entered the race to launch a second NRL team in New Zealand.
As first revealed by this masthead last month, the NRL is ramping up expansion plans with an 18th team in Papua New Guinea, backed by $600 million in Federal government funding.

It could be announced as early as July, but more likely by the end of this season.

Now the ARL Commission is getting serious about the code’s biggest growth project in 30 years.

The 17 clubs will receive detailed information on plans to add three clubs within the decade after the NRL created an expansion task-force, headed by Commissioners Peter Beattie and Kate Jones, to begin due diligence on PNG.

The ‘Expansion Masterplan’ will formally outline the 20-team league, where the new teams will be based, when they will come in and the multifaceted benefits of having an international presence in the Pacific.

The game’s existing clubs will be offered a financial sweetener to garner their support for expansion. It is understood discussions have been held with PNG and the Federal government over charging a licence fee to the 18th team of more than $50 million.

It would then be shared across the 17 clubs to win their backing.

Well-placed sources say the clubs want as much as an additional $170 million over the five years of the next broadcasting cycle.

V’landys declined to comment on the Norths meeting but confirmed the ARL Commission is seeking new fans in new markets, putting PNG, Perth Bears and a second Kiwi team firmly in the expansion frame.

“I am super confident there will be 20 teams, that’s the ambition,” he said.

“I’m not confirming anyone will be the 18th or 19th or 20th team, but the main assessment criteria we are looking at is – are you bringing new fans in, because we don’t want fans stolen from another team.

“The analysis will show us what the best options are and what the bid teams have to prove to us is they will bring in a new audience.

“The Dolphins got over the line because they showed they would bring more eyeballs to the game because more fan support brings in more revenue.

“Papua New Guinea is an easy one. They will bring in new fans. Perth is an easy one because that’s another new market. Christchurch will attract new fans as well.

“I think it (20 teams) can be done within a decade or even earlier.

“If we don’t expand, we will never reach our full potential.” North Sydney walked away from the meeting with V’landys buoyed by the strongest hope yet the mighty Bears are coming back to the big league.

It is understood Perth will not be admitted to the NRL as a stand-alone club, and nor would the Bears.

The NRL’s preference is for a Perth Bears joint-venture relocation model operating under a motto of ‘Two Histories, One Future’ – ostensibly becoming the Sydney Swans of the NRL.

The Bears will agree to a full-time franchise based in Western Australia, on the proviso their heritage is recognised.

The proposed 19th club would have the Bears logo, feature black-and-red colouring and play two NRL games annually at North Sydney Oval in honour of the club’s 116-year foundation roots.

Newtown Jets have also held discussions with the Perth consortium in the hope of reviving the Bluebags in the top league.

The NRL has yet to finalise an expansion time frame.

PNG is most likely to enter the NRL in 2028, while the Perth Bears and a Christchurch-based team could complete a 20-team premiership by the Brisbane Games in 2032.

That is the year in which the code’s next TV rights deal will expire, setting the NRL up for a record broadcast bonanza with 10 televised games weekly for 2033 and beyond.

North Sydney chairman Daniel Dickson confirmed the meeting with V’landys and says the Bears, who last played in the premiership in 1999, can hit the ground running as an NRL operation.

“We’ve had ongoing dialogue with the NRL and this meeting was just a regular catch-up,” he said.

“We are very confident we are ready.

“That’s the point. The benefit of the Bears is that we have the following, we now have a feeder system and that’s an attraction to the NRL.

“Perth has a great flavour and we’d be only too happy to march in that direction.”

The Brisbane Tigers could be snubbed. They are gunning to be Queensland’s fifth franchise but there is a view the Sunshine State risks becoming a saturated market and cannot sustain another NRL team after the addition of the Dolphins last year.

Wests Tigers boss Shane Richardson, the former NRL strategy chief who investigated expansion in 2015, backed V’landys’ vision for a 20-team competition.

“We would love to see an expansion blueprint because there’s no doubt 20 teams could work,” Richardson said.

“People say we haven’t got the players, but we have the players if we have a bigger view of what the game is about.

“We are in a position now to become the dominant code in Australia and across the board.

“There is no doubt we can go to 20 teams, but let’s sit down now and look at the financial side of it.

“What are the dollars and cents of it all and what is television willing to pay for a 20-team league.”
I be 61 (if I we) survive to see that happen.
 

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Interesting comment about a secret third Christchurch bid team, wonder what that’s about?
Not very good with secrets are they.
Here's the thing everyone seems to be missing: Both current bids are certain to have been talking to the administrators at the NRL at some point and at some level, they've been vocal about that.
The results of those discussions have encouraged these bids to push ahead, the Kea has run an ad and the other bid has been actively recruiting and pushing ahead also, now we have a 3rd bid... these aren't the actions that point to 2028 or later.. these are the actions of clubs pushing for 2026.

I've said it before but I believe that later this year they will announce NZ 2 as team 18 in 2026 and also Perth certainly for perhaps 2028 . What is unknown to me is how PNG goes.. I'm not convinced that they're over the line, there's many hurdles it still has to overcome. If they do, I can't see that until at least 2030. A team in PNG is going to take a monumental amount of work to get off the ground- we're talking about salary cap exemptions , tax exemptions, building compounds , security deals- this isn't happening any time soon!!
However, it doesn't mean that they can't be " announced " first but team 18 is not on the cards.
 
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Not very good with secrets are they.
Here's the thing everyone seems to be missing: Both current bids are certain to have been talking to the administrators at the NRL at some point and at some level, they've been vocal about that.
The results of those discussions have encouraged these bids to push ahead, the Kea has run an ad and the other bid has been actively recruiting and pushing ahead also, now we have a 3rd bid... these aren't the actions that point to 2028 or later.. these are the actions of clubs pushing for 2026.

I've said it before but I believe that later this year they will announce NZ 2 as team 18 in 2026 and also Perth certainly for perhaps 2028 . What is unknown to me is how PNG goes.. I'm not convinced that they're over the line, there's many hurdles it still has to overcome. If they do, I can't see that until at least 2030. A team in PNG is going to take a monumental amount of work to get off the ground- we're talking about salary cap exemptions , tax exemptions, building compounds , security deals- this isn't happening any time soon!!
However, it doesn't mean that they can't be " announced " first but team 18 is not on the cards.
New Zealand deserves a second team. The 18th licence should go to them.

PNG will never work.
 

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Christchurch council urged to back NRL bid that could bring $50m yearly, worldwide interest​

3:53 pm on 4 June 2024
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Anna Sargent , Reporter
Indicative design for the new Christchurch stadium Te Kaha

Te Kaha Stadium is set to be completed by April 2026. Photo: Supplied
A group bidding to get a Christchurch-based rugby league club in the National Rugby League (NRL) says a professional rugby league team would bring in about $50 million to the city per season.
South Island NRL Bid Limited (SINRL) wants the Christchurch City Council to support its bid to develop a new club to join the Australian competition, which is planning to expand in the coming years.
The team would play its home games at Ōtautahi's forthcoming multi-use Te Kaha Stadium, set to be completed by April 2026.
Former Canterbury Rugby League chairman Tony Kidd is leading the project, and its members include former Kiwis and Warriors coach Frank Endacott and former Christchurch East Labour MP Poto Williams.
SINRL made its case to the Christchurch City Council at a meeting on Tuesday.
Williams said having a Christchurch-based team in the NRL would support the development of the league across the South Island.
"One of the messages that's coming loud and clear is that: where are the pathways for our senior players? Where are the competitions for our senior teams? We want to be the catalyst for that to happen.
"We want to be the catalyst because we'll be driving more people to the game and we'll be driving a stronger fan base," she said.
Endacott told the council it was an exciting opportunity for the city.
"The pathways for our young people in Christchurch - they play rugby league here as kids and the good ones end up in Australia. It would mean they can stay here and play here," he said.
"What it would bring into this city - we envision around $50 million per season. An NRL franchise based here would bring worldwide interest and a lot of visitors."
Former New Zealand Rugby and NRL boss David Moffett is leading the 'South Island Kea' bid team - the rival South Island NRL bid facing off with SINRL in a pursuit to bring a professional rugby league operation to the mainland.
Moffett, who has also had stints in charge of Sport England and the Welsh Rugby Union, said his interest in a South Island-based NRL club dates back to 2012.
He said for every ticket sold the club would give a dollar to the Save the Kea Foundation.
Christchurch councillor James Gough asked SINRL why the group could not join forces with the rival bid to double the effort.
"At the last resort of it, if it comes down to that to get the franchise we would certainly look at anything I'm sure, but at the moment we feel as though we're strong enough to take this bid out ourselves," Endacott said.
SINRL said Moffett previously approached the group to be involved in the bid, but that it did not fit for both parties to be involved.
Williams said SINRL understood the NRL would offer a bid process shortly, in August potentially.
"If we were successful in this current iteration we would need to have a team ready to go in November next year, and then ready to be at the kick-off game at the stadium in 2026," Williams said.
 

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The stunning post-Covid resurgence of the Warriors could see a second New Zealand team from Christchurch fast-tracked into the NRL.

ARL Commission boss Peter V’landys says the governing body is seriously exploring further growth across the ditch with a second New Zealand team and the Perth Bears set to fight it out for the NRL’s 19th licence.

Ex-NRL boss David Moffett is leading one of three hopeful New Zealand bids based out of Christchurch.

The South Island Kea are not only confident that they can become part of an expanded competition, but believe they could expedite their entry as soon as 2026 should the NRL need more time for PNG to be introduced.

“We’ve been in contact with the NRL and we are just waiting for them to announce what the pathway looks like for the future,” Moffett said.

“We are able to add or change anything they might want once we get a look at the big document.

“If the NRL were to accept a team in 2026, we’d be ready because of the quality of the people we’ve got involved and some of the work we are doing already behind the scenes.

“We are fully aware that other NRL clubs see any additions as a threat to their funding and player drain.

“We are right in the middle of the area where a lot of the Sydney clubs get their talent.

“We’re focused on keeping as much of our talent here and especially in the Christchurch area so you don’t have to leave to head to Australia without the support of their families.”

The Kea faces opposition from a second South Island NRL bid involving former Warriors and Kiwi Test coach Frank Endacott, who has met with Christchurch council bosses.

An unknown third consortium of businessmen have also contacted the NRL expressing interest in a second New Zealand licence.

There is a view rugby union is under siege in New Zealand and rugby league could become the dominant code if the NRL launches a two-pronged attack on the iconic All Blacks.

The Warriors have been a revelation since returning home after Covid - they reached the top four last season - and V’landys is keen to capitalise on 25,000-sellout crowds at Auckland’s Go Media Stadium.

It seems only a matter of time before a second New Zealand team joins the NRL, and V’landys is adamant a 19th or 20th franchise on the South Island would not threaten the Warriors.

“New Zealand is a great market for us,” he said. “Cameron George (Warriors CEO) and the ‘Wahs’ have done a wonderful job for us so we have to look at a second team.

“The Dolphins haven’t cannibalised any of the Queensland teams and it was important for our research that they wouldn’t do that.

“We don’t want a Warriors fan being lost to a second New Zealand team, there has to be a new market of fans.”

Former Kiwi Test forward Dean Lonergan, the man who delivered the NRL Nines to Auckland’s Eden Park in 2014, is adamant New Zealand is ready for a second team.

“The Warriors are the No.1 sports story right now in New Zealand,” he said.

“Peter V’landys is a genius who can see the benefits of a second New Zealand team.

“The NRL will soon amass so much money they will be able to poach any rugby player they want, including All Blacks.

“A Christchurch NRL team would be huge - it would replicate what we have seen in Queensland with the Dolphins and Broncos.

“A second New Zealand NRL team would be massive for the country ... the sport would go to another level.”
 

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“There is a view rugby union is under siege in New Zealand and rugby league could become the dominant code if the NRL launches a two-pronged attack on the iconic All Blacks.”

@final say

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“The NRL will soon amass so much money they will be able to poach any rugby player they want, including All Blacks.
 

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New Zealand is a great market for us,” he said. “Cameron George (Warriors CEO) and the ‘Wahs’ have done a wonderful job for us so we have to look at a second team.

“The Dolphins haven’t cannibalised any of the Queensland teams and it was important for our research that they wouldn’t do that.

“We don’t want a Warriors fan being lost to a second New Zealand team, there has to be a new market of fans.”

Rules out Wellington
 
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New Zealand is a great market for us,” he said. “Cameron George (Warriors CEO) and the ‘Wahs’ have done a wonderful job for us so we have to look at a second team.

“The Dolphins haven’t cannibalised any of the Queensland teams and it was important for our research that they wouldn’t do that.

“We don’t want a Warriors fan being lost to a second New Zealand team, there has to be a new market of fans.”

Rules out Wellington
It's short-sighted for the ARLC to rule out Wellington. We should be looking at having a second and a third team in New Zealand at some stage. There's so much talent in New Zealand and opportunity for our game to carve out a strong niche behind RU.
 

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Interesting comment about a secret third Christchurch bid team, wonder what that’s about?
Could it be the Canterbury Rugby League (CRL) itself, or maybe one of the more powerful Christchurch league clubs?

I know the existing "South Island NRL" bid (no, not Moffat's Kea bid, the other one) has a few Canterbury League figures, but as far as I can tell it's not an officially sanctioned CRL bid.
 

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Could it be the Canterbury Rugby League (CRL) itself, or maybe one of the more powerful Christchurch league clubs?

I know the existing "South Island NRL" bid (no, not Moffat's Kea bid, the other one) has a few Canterbury League figures, but as far as I can tell it's not an officially sanctioned CRL bid.
Article says a bunch of businessmen
 

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New Zealand is a great market for us,” he said. “Cameron George (Warriors CEO) and the ‘Wahs’ have done a wonderful job for us so we have to look at a second team.

“The Dolphins haven’t cannibalised any of the Queensland teams and it was important for our research that they wouldn’t do that.

“We don’t want a Warriors fan being lost to a second New Zealand team, there has to be a new market of fans.”

Rules out Wellington
Ahh but the Warriors have turned their back on Wellington by shifting their annual "home away from home" game to Christchurch for thie year & the next two (at least).

If they lose fans from Wellington to a Christchurch based team (especially if a Christchurch-based NZ 2 takes a game per year to Wellington) then THEY have contributed to that!

If Christchurch is indeed a "lock" for one of those 3 expansion slots (especially if it means a few games in Dunedin's covered stadium, and branding as"South Island"), then this move of the Warriors to take a game a year to Christchurch is foolish - surely they'd want to strengthen their presence in the North Island - most notably Wellington & Waikato/Bay of Plenty - the two most populated NORTH ISLAND areas?
 

flippikat

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It's short-sighted for the ARLC to rule out Wellington. We should be looking at having a second and a third team in New Zealand at some stage. There's so much talent in New Zealand and opportunity for our game to carve out a strong niche behind RU.
To be honest as a Wellington (well, Hutt Valley) based Warriors fan, I feel shunned by the club I love.

Why spurn us for Christchurch when Christchurch are probably getting their own team soon enough?? It makes NO SENSE.
 

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To be honest as a Wellington (well, Hutt Valley) based Warriors fan, I feel shunned by the club I love.

Why spurn us for Christchurch when Christchurch are probably getting their own team soon enough?? It makes NO SENSE.
Depending on how patient you are Wellington might get a team around 2040 lol

let’s be honest nobody in their wildest dreams pre covid would’ve said nz would have two nrl teams

there was talk by Sydney journos that the warriors themselves should be kicked out for another qld team
 

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