New Zealand 2 will deal a massive blow to NZ rugby

[siv]

Liar, League isn't in the Olympics because it doesn't qualify. And it still doesn't

It didnt help when RU said they were the same sport for 100 years. But the parameters are now set

Just need to support the push into Asia Africa and South America

 

[Wb1234]

It didnt help when RU said they were the same sport for 100 years. But the parameters are now set

Just need to support the push into Asia Africa and South America

There’s two codes of rugby

but union used its connections to mean only one Was recognised

they argued they were the only rugby which is total bs

 

[Pneuma]

There’s two codes of rugby

but union used its connections to mean only one Was recognised

they argued they were the only rugby which is total bs

IMHO the only reason rugby is an Olympic sport and we aren’t is that they bothered and we didn’t. I reckon the horse has bolted on this one. As much as we know the difference between the two codes pretty much nobody else either knows or cares. Trying to have two rugby codes at the Olympics probably wont ever happen and our preoccupation with club football is pretty much to blame. The fact we had a World Cup so far in advance of them and did not press the advantage to the Olympics falls squarely on our administration.

 

[Wb1234]

IMHO the only reason rugby is an Olympic sport and we aren’t is that they bothered and we didn’t. I reckon the horse has bolted on this one. As much as we know the difference between the two codes pretty much nobody else either knows or cares. Trying to have two rugby codes at the Olympics probably wont ever happen and our preoccupation with club football is pretty much to blame. The fact we had a World Cup so far in advance of them and did not press the advantage to the Olympics falls squarely on our administration.

Nines are going to be played in Brisbane

it’s not unions business whether we play in the Olympics or not

Troy grant seems keen to get it recognised

but yeh overall it doesn’t mean much

the lure of a gold medal hasn’t stop us pillaging the union playing ranks

 

[Wb1234]

Here’s two players we’ve tried to get but so far have missed out on, both sons to ex league players

WATCH: Tane Edmed's meteoric rise is a sight to behold

From a regular flyhalf to the highest honours!

www.theroar.com.au

I played on that oval for the fifths lmao

 

[Te Kaha]

It didnt help when RU said they were the same sport for 100 years. But the parameters are now set

Just need to support the push into Asia Africa and South America

That had nothing to do with it. The problem for a hundred years was that League was professional. The Olympics did not allow for Professional athletes. That has only been changed in the last few decades.

There’s two codes of rugby

but union used its connections to mean only one Was recognised

they argued they were the only rugby which is total bs

Do you ever get anything right? They argued they were the FIRST Rugby, and the only Amateur one. And it was an easy argument to make when League didn't bother to change its name. The fact it was professional disqualified it from consideration until 1986.

IMHO the only reason rugby is an Olympic sport and we aren’t is that they bothered and we didn’t. I reckon the horse has bolted on this one. As much as we know the difference between the two codes pretty much nobody else either knows or cares. Trying to have two rugby codes at the Olympics probably wont ever happen and our preoccupation with club football is pretty much to blame. The fact we had a World Cup so far in advance of them and did not press the advantage to the Olympics falls squarely on our administration.

True, although until 1992 there wouldn't have been any chance for the top Athletes in League to be at the Olympics anyway.


And of course this thread has now veered well away from its topic, just as was predicted.

 

[Perth Red]

Back on track, how does the NZRL fix the auckland high school problem? To have RL in only 10 schools is dire. Could the NZRL (with ARLC support) fund a high school comp? Maybe pay for teachers to get coaching quals, supply refs, offer some prestige to the winners etc? I wouldnt be worried about the NZ cup until the U18's grassroots gets sorted! Is touch RL an option for primary schools there? Ive thought the same for Australia. Its the perfect low risk multi gender sport for primary age kids.

 

[Te Kaha]

Back on track, how does the NZRL fix the auckland high school problem? To have RL in only 10 schools is dire. Could the NZRL (with ARLC support) fund a high school comp? Maybe pay for teachers to get coaching quals, supply refs, offer some prestige to the winners etc? I wouldnt be worried about the NZ cup until the U18's grassroots gets sorted! Is touch RL an option for primary schools there? Ive thought the same for Australia. Its the perfect low risk multi gender sport for primary age kids.

Touch is in secondary schools, there are no real primary school teams. But in NZ its aligned with NZR rather than the NZRL.

The problem with getting it into schools, unless there is direct funding like NZR and the provinces do here, is without it schools generally only have funds for one code. And if 15 want to play League and 50 want to play Rugby, Rugby will win every time. So the NZRL would have to directly fund the schools, which they don't, preferring to fund the club age grade teams. This has previously worked to some extent, but still leaves the issue with players possibly being required to play for the school before the club.

 

[Perth Red]

Touch is in secondary schools, there are no real primary school teams. But in NZ its aligned with NZR rather than the NZRL.

The problem with getting it into schools, unless there is direct funding like NZR and the provinces do here, is without it schools generally only have funds for one code. And if 15 want to play League and 50 want to play Rugby, Rugby will win every time. So the NZRL would have to directly fund the schools, which they don't, preferring to fund the club age grade teams. This has previously worked to some extent, but still leaves the issue with players possibly being required to play for the school before the club.

What do the NZRU fund in the schools? Is it equipment, insurance, coach training etc?
Instead of ARLC spending $17mill on a NZ2 NRL club a year they'd be better spending $10mill a year on NZ schools and pathway systems!

 

[Te Kaha]

What do the NZRU fund in the schools? Is it equipment, insurance, coach training etc?
Instead of ARLC spending $17mill on a NZ2 NRL club a year they'd be better spending $10mill a year on NZ schools and pathway systems!

There is no insurance required in NZ for the same reason you can't sue for personal injury.
NZR through the provinces, fund the competitions, the refs, coaching courses, gear, posts, pads, flags, everything.

Problem is $10 mil would help in Auckland, it would take a lot more for the rest of the country.

 

[LeagueXIII]

Sure it isn't. Why do ppl think union ppl are just ready to become league fans & ditch sport they love?!

so true....just as league fans wouldnt go the other way also, its ridiculous. Union just wont rollover.

 

[The Great Dane]

Boxing & ufc are sizeable but niche. Their largest shows don't approach what football, baseball or basketball do for playoffs & finals. The extreme violence limits wider appeal - you won't see these sports on prime time on network TV.

You're off your f**king head if you truly believe boxing and UFC are niche sports, especially internationally.

I'd go so far as suggesting that the UFC has a similar share of the under 30s market to the NRL in Australia. It'll be bigger than the NRL in our lifetime if it maintains it's current rate of growth in younger demos.

 

[Pippen94]

You're off your f**king head if you truly believe boxing and UFC are niche sports, especially internationally.

I'd go so far as suggesting that the UFC has a similar share of the under 30s market to the NRL in Australia. It'll be bigger than the NRL in our lifetime if it maintains it's current rate of growth in younger demos.

Ufc is already bigger because it's worldwide, but it doesn't get mainstream coverage & doesn't do any numbers comparable to bigger sports because it only appeals to a select section of society. On the surface look at % of male fans compared to pretty much every other sport.
NRL would be making a mistake if it uses the game's violence & brutality in marketing.

 

[Wb1234]

If they moved

so true....just as league fans wouldnt go the other way also, its ridiculous. Union just wont rollo

If they loved union so much then their game would be able to develop strong club competitions with large crowds and tv deals

there isn’t a single union club comp which satisfies this criteria

the game survives on internationals which underwrite the massive loses their club game makes

there is obviously a place in the market for a strong club comp which is what the nrl is and which rugby union (super rugby, top 14,
Gallagher premiership or France isn’t)

 

[Wb1234]

Ufc is already bigger because it's worldwide, but it doesn't get mainstream coverage & doesn't do any numbers comparable to bigger sports because it only appeals to a select section of society. On the surface look at % of male fans compared to pretty much every other sport.
NRL would be making a mistake if it uses the game's violence & brutality in marketing.

Lmao ufc is one of the worlds fastest growing sports

people love it’s violence

it’s no wonder that the current pfp is an ex rugby league player

if we had a boss like Dana white who believes in the sport like he does ufc we would be untouchable

 

[Pippen94]

Lmao ufc is one of the worlds fastest growing sports

people love it’s violence

it’s no wonder that the current pfp is an ex rugby league player

if we had a boss like Dana white who believes in the sport like he does ufc we would be untouchable

Some ppl like it's violence, a lot more ppl don't. That's why it won't be overtaking any major sporting leagues anytime soon.
Interesting company value is pretty close in value to that of wwe - just for those who don't think it's niche

 

[The Great Dane]

Ufc is already bigger because it's worldwide,

Obviously, but that wasn't my point.

My point was that I wouldn't be surprised if it was already bigger than the NRL in under 30s (maybe even under 35s) in Australia, and that it'll outgrow the NRL's popularity in Australia in our lifetimes if it can maintain it's current rate of growth.

but it doesn't get mainstream coverage & doesn't do any numbers comparable to bigger sports because it only appeals to a select section of society.

Firstly that's nonsense on face value, it absolutely has strong coverage in the mainstream, especially through digital platforms.

Secondly, the UFC uses a pay per view model, so you wouldn't expect it's ratings to be comparable to the other big sports whom use traditional broadcasting models like FTA and Pay TV. The UFC would pull numbers highly competitive with the other major sports around the world if it could use a FTA model instead of PPV, but it doesn't use that model for a whole host of commercial and cultural reasons.

On the surface look at % of male fans compared to pretty much every other sport.

To paraphrase Michael Jordan; males buy sneakers too.

If anything males, especially young males, are one of the least catered to demographics in the market, and society more generally, at the moment, so it's a good niche for a business to target because there's little to no competition.

But anyway, the UFC would have similar female interest to any of the other combat and contact sports, and their female participation and divisions are way more developed than almost any other sport on the planet.

When Ronda Rousey was at her peak she was the highest paid fighter in the UFC, and the UFC's female divisions have been profitable independent of subsidies from the male divisions in the past (IDK if that's still the case). Aside from female dominated sports with no male professional alternative, I don't know of a single league other than the UFC that could claim to have achieved anything similar to those two achievements in female sports.

NRL would be making a mistake if it uses the game's violence & brutality in marketing.

I don't know about that. It's a niche that sits empty in the Australian domestic sports market.

I don't really have a strong opinion either way, but whether we like it or not there's demand for violence and brutality, and the NRL could play to that audience. The question then becomes whether that audience could be more profitable than a more general audience, and none of us here have that answer.

I can tell you this though, the NRLW has been so poorly set up that it'll almost certainly never be sustainable, let alone profitable, independent of subsidies from the NRL. There's also no future in converting touch and tag players to tackle en masse, nor is there a future in professional touch or tag. So the NRL will have to play into it's violence and brutality at least to some degree, and continue to appeal to a mainly male audience, if it is to survive into the future.

 

[The Great Dane]

Some ppl like it's violence, a lot more ppl don't. That's why it won't be overtaking any major sporting leagues anytime soon.
Interesting company value is pretty close in value to that of wwe - just for those who don't think it's niche

Mate, the WWE, and professional wrestling more generally, aren't niche either...

I don't think you really understand what niche means in this context.

 

[Pippen94]

Mate, the WWE, and professional wrestling more generally, aren't niche either...

I don't think you really understand what niche means in this context.

How many wrestling fans do you know?! It's a niche audience. Ufc fan base similar sized or smaller

 

[The Great Dane]

How many wrestling fans do you know?! It's a niche audience. Ufc fan base similar sized or smaller

Yep, you're f**king clueless.

Get outta here with your meaningless anecdotes lol.