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New Zealand 2 will deal a massive blow to NZ rugby

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Australia’s rugby league powerbrokers are insulting New Zealand with token efforts on expansion; NRL pair snub Christchurch league identities at transtasman test; And three Kiwi sports docos remind of us of the lost “good old days”. All in today’s Sports Insider.OPINIONA shambolic week including a visit to Christchurch has revealed that Australia’s National Rugby League (NRL) is not serious about admitting a second Kiwi franchise to Australia’s club competition.Australian Rugby League Commission chairman Peter V’landys and his CEO Andrew Abdo have played a curious game around their intentions to create a 20-team competition by 2030.But in the past week it has descended into farce as it has become plainly clear the expansion process till now has been little more than a fishing expedition.
Last Friday, V’landys and Abdo dropped a bombshell by revealing they had rejected 11 bids for expansion franchise licences, including three from Christchurch, one from Perth, one from Papua New Guinea and six from southeast Queensland.
The primary reason given to the failed bidders was that they would need to cough up a licence of almost $60 million each for the privilege of entering the competition. V’landys warned contenders they needed to “up their game” or risk ongoing snubbing.
Much of any licence fee revenue will go to the existing 17 NRL clubs, including the Warriors, who are demanding A$2m ($2.2m) to A$3m each in return for agreeing to further expansion.
But here’s the rub – V’landys and Abdo seemingly don’t want private owners of any of the new clubs.
So if Christchurch wants to secure a NRL licence, the clear preference is for that funding to come primarily from the public purse rather than private equity players, investment funds or wealthy individuals (think Mark Robinson and the Warriors).
In New Zealand, that means money being stumped up by central and local government.
And that’s why, dear readers, a second New Zealand franchise, no matter where it’s based, is cold, stone dead in the water.
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The winners? An inconsistently performing Warriors franchise and a floundering New Zealand Rugby.
The losers? Overwhelmingly, the NRL – who have rugby on its knees in this country but can’t see it because they’re blinded by the bright lights of Las Vegas and the seduction of American gambling dollars.
But also Kiwi sports fans robbed of the tasty prospect of a Wellington Phoenix-Auckland FC rivalry within league and another home for New Zealand-born players.
Who would have thought it ... the A-League outperforming the NRL on getting it right in New Zealand?
‘Strange’ behaviour, ‘cynical’ playbook
The rejection bombshell dropped by the NRL was followed by some strange behaviour from V’landys and Abdo when they visited the Garden City the following weekend for the sold-out Australia-New Zealand double-header on Sunday.
Back to that in a moment.
The day before landing, V’landys and Abdo were at pains to tell Australian media that expansion of what they claim is the most-watched TV sport in the country was still alive and on track.
The NRL would continue to work with the Australian Government on conditions for A$600m of promised funding for a team from Papua New Guinea to take the competition to 18 clubs in 2027 (nobody in the game thinks the PNG plan is a good idea).
Perth would be next the following season but only, V’landys intoned, if the Western Australia State Premier and league lover Roger Cook played ball on funding (the NRL had the previous week fired a shot across the state’s bows by rejecting the Perth Bears bid).
V’landys even suggested the NRL might initially co-own the Perth licence and sell it on in the future. Beyond the ongoing Olympic class backflips, does anybody notice a pattern here?
Central or local government pays and the NRL has outsized control of new franchises, possibly right down to appointing boards, CEOs and coaches.
It works across the Tasman due to the size of their market and funding of its states. The Australians seem to believe New Zealand will fall into line with this strategy in our desperation to secure the 20th and final licence.
But that’s not going to wash here. Imagine telling the Christchurch council and central government that their $700m odd investment in the new roofed Te Kaha Stadium now needs to be topped up by contributions to NRL licence fees.
It’ll never happen. It’s a shame because at least one of the South Island bids has serious investment backing from a fund already extremely active in global sport. But they are currently locked out (presumably because they might want a say in how things are run).
It’s a greater shame that V’landys is likely to simply shrug his shoulders and move on by awarding the 20th licence to one of a clutch of desperate bids from the southeastern corridor of Queensland, such as the Ipswich and Brisbane Easts clubs.
Like the latest (and successful) licence winners, the Redcliffe Dolphins from Brisbane, both Ipswich and Easts are asset-rich in property and leagues clubs and are likely to agree to the NRL’s extortionate terms.
But he and Abdo might also find the Kiwi sports audience collectively shrugs its shoulders and moves on as well – particularly if the Warriors miss the playoffs more often than they make it.
After all, it’s not like we’re starved of sporting success right now.
However, the attitude remains an insult to the New Zealand league fraternity at a time when 45% of existing NRL men’s and women’s squads identify as being either of New Zealand or Pasifika origin.
Christchurch capers reveal poor attitude
The seemingly disengaged and diffident demeanour shown by V’landys and Abdo on a fleeting visit to Christchurch last weekend reflected that attitude.
Perhaps we can start with the failure to even reply to an invitation to meet from Christchurch Mayor Phil Mauger, who has enthusiastically endorsed expansion bids from the Garden City.
And maybe we can add turning up halfway through the women’s test between the Jillaroos and the Kiwi Ferns and then failing to engage in any meaningful way with guests at the game, including former Kiwis coach Frank Endacott and ex-NRL CEO David Moffett.
Endacott and Moffett are involved in separate bids from Christchurch and, given their service to the game and expansion work to date, could have reasonably been expected to gain some sort of audience with the pair.
It didn’t happen over the two days V’landys and Abdo were in town, although Moffett remains undeterred.
Nor did they bother to inspect Te Kaha, which would be the home of any South Island team.
The duo apparently walked around the outside of it on Monday but that was it. Offers of a tour inside, or to inspect Christchurch’s other high performance facilities were not taken up.
The lack of professionalism from V’landys and Abdo was also evident in the pair meeting one South Island bidder but not others.
The pair were spotted having coffee in the Kiwis team hotel in Christchurch (subtlety fellas!) with a group that included late-to-the-table bidder Andrew Chalmers and his controversial advisor Michael Searle from Australia.
Chalmers, an ex-New Zealand Rugby League president with a chequered history, has resurrected his failed Wellington Orcas expansion bid of almost a decade ago, renaming it the “Southern Orcas”.
That V’landys and Abdo would meet with Chalmers and Searle and not all the bidders lacks professionalism, while leaving some in the league community privately aghast, given the latter pair’s history.
League greats gather to celebrate Sharko film
On a more positive note for rugby league, a film celebrating New Zealand’s finest player, Mark Graham, has its world premiere in Auckland this Sunday night.
The night will feature the great man himself, no doubt slightly uncomfortable on the red carpet at New Lynn’s Reading Cinema, and will be accompanied by his film-making son Luke Graham, who made Sharko.
The event will also be attended by Stacey Jones, Kieran Foran, Shaun Johnson and the Kiwis who play Tonga at Mt Smart Stadium the evening before. Other guests include many of Graham’s former Kiwis teammates including Hugh McGahan and Dean Lonergan, as well as master coach Sir graham Lowe
 

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“happen. It’s a shame because at least one of the South Island bids has serious investment backing from a fund already extremely active in global sport. “


Missed that juicy comment before

That’s huge
 

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Glad its not just us they are dcking around! Are we back to questioning if the NRl has any intent to go to 20 clubs?
 
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Australia’s rugby league powerbrokers are insulting New Zealand with token efforts on expansion; NRL pair snub Christchurch league identities at transtasman test; And three Kiwi sports docos remind of us of the lost “good old days”. All in today’s Sports Insider.OPINIONA shambolic week including a visit to Christchurch has revealed that Australia’s National Rugby League (NRL) is not serious about admitting a second Kiwi franchise to Australia’s club competition.Australian Rugby League Commission chairman Peter V’landys and his CEO Andrew Abdo have played a curious game around their intentions to create a 20-team competition by 2030.But in the past week it has descended into farce as it has become plainly clear the expansion process till now has been little more than a fishing expedition.
Last Friday, V’landys and Abdo dropped a bombshell by revealing they had rejected 11 bids for expansion franchise licences, including three from Christchurch, one from Perth, one from Papua New Guinea and six from southeast Queensland.
The primary reason given to the failed bidders was that they would need to cough up a licence of almost $60 million each for the privilege of entering the competition. V’landys warned contenders they needed to “up their game” or risk ongoing snubbing.
Much of any licence fee revenue will go to the existing 17 NRL clubs, including the Warriors, who are demanding A$2m ($2.2m) to A$3m each in return for agreeing to further expansion.
But here’s the rub – V’landys and Abdo seemingly don’t want private owners of any of the new clubs.
So if Christchurch wants to secure a NRL licence, the clear preference is for that funding to come primarily from the public purse rather than private equity players, investment funds or wealthy individuals (think Mark Robinson and the Warriors).
In New Zealand, that means money being stumped up by central and local government.
And that’s why, dear readers, a second New Zealand franchise, no matter where it’s based, is cold, stone dead in the water.
Discover more
ALL BLACKS
Sports Insider: Time to draw a line under Silver Lake shambles
23 Oct 11:05 PM
SPORT
Sports Insider: The hate is real – Irish do over All Blacks with Friday test
17 Oct 12:00 AM
SPORT
Sports Insider: Rugby, hockey and netball in danger of dumping from Comm Games
09 Oct 04:30 PM
SPORT
Sports Insider: How the NRL is failing international rugby league
02 Oct 05:29 PM
The winners? An inconsistently performing Warriors franchise and a floundering New Zealand Rugby.
The losers? Overwhelmingly, the NRL – who have rugby on its knees in this country but can’t see it because they’re blinded by the bright lights of Las Vegas and the seduction of American gambling dollars.
But also Kiwi sports fans robbed of the tasty prospect of a Wellington Phoenix-Auckland FC rivalry within league and another home for New Zealand-born players.
Who would have thought it ... the A-League outperforming the NRL on getting it right in New Zealand?
‘Strange’ behaviour, ‘cynical’ playbook
The rejection bombshell dropped by the NRL was followed by some strange behaviour from V’landys and Abdo when they visited the Garden City the following weekend for the sold-out Australia-New Zealand double-header on Sunday.
Back to that in a moment.
The day before landing, V’landys and Abdo were at pains to tell Australian media that expansion of what they claim is the most-watched TV sport in the country was still alive and on track.
The NRL would continue to work with the Australian Government on conditions for A$600m of promised funding for a team from Papua New Guinea to take the competition to 18 clubs in 2027 (nobody in the game thinks the PNG plan is a good idea).
Perth would be next the following season but only, V’landys intoned, if the Western Australia State Premier and league lover Roger Cook played ball on funding (the NRL had the previous week fired a shot across the state’s bows by rejecting the Perth Bears bid).
V’landys even suggested the NRL might initially co-own the Perth licence and sell it on in the future. Beyond the ongoing Olympic class backflips, does anybody notice a pattern here?
Central or local government pays and the NRL has outsized control of new franchises, possibly right down to appointing boards, CEOs and coaches.
It works across the Tasman due to the size of their market and funding of its states. The Australians seem to believe New Zealand will fall into line with this strategy in our desperation to secure the 20th and final licence.
But that’s not going to wash here. Imagine telling the Christchurch council and central government that their $700m odd investment in the new roofed Te Kaha Stadium now needs to be topped up by contributions to NRL licence fees.
It’ll never happen. It’s a shame because at least one of the South Island bids has serious investment backing from a fund already extremely active in global sport. But they are currently locked out (presumably because they might want a say in how things are run).
It’s a greater shame that V’landys is likely to simply shrug his shoulders and move on by awarding the 20th licence to one of a clutch of desperate bids from the southeastern corridor of Queensland, such as the Ipswich and Brisbane Easts clubs.
Like the latest (and successful) licence winners, the Redcliffe Dolphins from Brisbane, both Ipswich and Easts are asset-rich in property and leagues clubs and are likely to agree to the NRL’s extortionate terms.
But he and Abdo might also find the Kiwi sports audience collectively shrugs its shoulders and moves on as well – particularly if the Warriors miss the playoffs more often than they make it.
After all, it’s not like we’re starved of sporting success right now.
However, the attitude remains an insult to the New Zealand league fraternity at a time when 45% of existing NRL men’s and women’s squads identify as being either of New Zealand or Pasifika origin.
Christchurch capers reveal poor attitude
The seemingly disengaged and diffident demeanour shown by V’landys and Abdo on a fleeting visit to Christchurch last weekend reflected that attitude.
Perhaps we can start with the failure to even reply to an invitation to meet from Christchurch Mayor Phil Mauger, who has enthusiastically endorsed expansion bids from the Garden City.
And maybe we can add turning up halfway through the women’s test between the Jillaroos and the Kiwi Ferns and then failing to engage in any meaningful way with guests at the game, including former Kiwis coach Frank Endacott and ex-NRL CEO David Moffett.
Endacott and Moffett are involved in separate bids from Christchurch and, given their service to the game and expansion work to date, could have reasonably been expected to gain some sort of audience with the pair.
It didn’t happen over the two days V’landys and Abdo were in town, although Moffett remains undeterred.
Nor did they bother to inspect Te Kaha, which would be the home of any South Island team.
The duo apparently walked around the outside of it on Monday but that was it. Offers of a tour inside, or to inspect Christchurch’s other high performance facilities were not taken up.
The lack of professionalism from V’landys and Abdo was also evident in the pair meeting one South Island bidder but not others.
The pair were spotted having coffee in the Kiwis team hotel in Christchurch (subtlety fellas!) with a group that included late-to-the-table bidder Andrew Chalmers and his controversial advisor Michael Searle from Australia.
Chalmers, an ex-New Zealand Rugby League president with a chequered history, has resurrected his failed Wellington Orcas expansion bid of almost a decade ago, renaming it the “Southern Orcas”.
That V’landys and Abdo would meet with Chalmers and Searle and not all the bidders lacks professionalism, while leaving some in the league community privately aghast, given the latter pair’s history.
League greats gather to celebrate Sharko film
On a more positive note for rugby league, a film celebrating New Zealand’s finest player, Mark Graham, has its world premiere in Auckland this Sunday night.
The night will feature the great man himself, no doubt slightly uncomfortable on the red carpet at New Lynn’s Reading Cinema, and will be accompanied by his film-making son Luke Graham, who made Sharko.
The event will also be attended by Stacey Jones, Kieran Foran, Shaun Johnson and the Kiwis who play Tonga at Mt Smart Stadium the evening before. Other guests include many of Graham’s former Kiwis teammates including Hugh McGahan and Dean Lonergan, as well as master coach Sir graham Lowe
If I had to guess.. this person was personally rejected by PVD..
Looks like they decided that they won't be getting an interview in future either 🫣
 

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If I had to guess.. this person was personally rejected by PVD..
Looks like they decided that they won't be getting an interview in future either 🫣
He was a whiny butch wasn’t he

Did you see how quote about one of the bids having a significant investor (international group who invest in sports)
 

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He was a whiny butch wasn’t he

Did you see how quote about one of the bids having a significant investor (international group who invest in sports)
well he is quoting some facts, if you think they paint the NRl in a good light or not I guess is up to you.
1. Only met with 1 out of the 3 bids (the dodgiest one at that)
2. Didnt meet the Mayor (who Id have thought theyd want to be having a conversation with about training facilities and jnr fuding)
3. Didnt take the time to inspect the facilities that are being built and that would benefit a club

the rest is a bit of whinge agreed but probably reflects the view over there which is being mirrored in the West.

The comment about the tender process being a fishing exercise does seem to be ringing true
 

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well he is quoting some facts, if you think they paint the NRl in a good light or not I guess is up to you.
1. Only me with 1 out of the 3 bids (the dodgiest one at that)
2. Didnt meet the Mayor (who Id have thought theyd want to be having a conversation with about training facilities and jnr fuding)
3. Didnt take the time to inspect the facilities that are being built and that would benefit a club

the rest is a bit of whinge agreed but probably reflects the view over there which is being mirrored in the West.

The comment about the tender process being a fishing exercise does seem to be ringing true
Don’t think nz2 is a priority now

Sure they could’ve done more whilst there

Nz2 discussions will get real next year once Perth and png are sorted and tv talks have gotten underway
 

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Don’t think nz2 is a priority now

Sure they could’ve done more whilst there

Nz2 discussions will get real next year once Perth and png are sorted and tv talks have gotten underway
Ive always felt club 20 decision will be parked for a few years. Nothing Ive seen makes me think any differently. Bad news for NZ as it does open the door slightly for Brisbane3 instead.
 

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Don’t think nz2 is a priority now

Sure they could’ve done more whilst there

Nz2 discussions will get real next year once Perth and png are sorted and tv talks have gotten underway

Even if they don’t want a team from there… it’s pretty ordinary to just brush them … PVL is starting to come across very poorly here … something has changed over the past month … maybe they are getting some bad early news on the TV deal maybe ?
 

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