New Zealand 2 will deal a massive blow to NZ rugby

[Wb1234]

the NZRL is not a rival body to the NRL. It’s the equivalent to the ARL and state leagues in Australia. The NRL runs the professional competition.

Nzrl runs all the comps in nz

The arlc has no jurisdiction to set up its own comps there

If the nzrl came under the banner of the arl like the nswrl and qrl then it would be different and probably a way to get more funding

 

[Matua]

Compared to 2002 this side tries harder, makes way less mistakes,
and competes for longer in games, but in terms of skills it’s average

Maybe sj was a hand break and the attack will open up next year

Creativity in the halves was severely lacking this year

No it doesn't, stop talking this bollocks again. And it doesn't complete for longer in games, the 2002 side won the minor premiership and made the final, this lot couldn't even make the finals.

Anyway, the team looked best with TMM at 7 and if we want creativity then Metcalf isn't the answer.

 

[Murishido]

So far as I can gather New Zealand rugby salaries aren't substantial.
With a salary cap around just under 5 million put the 5 NZ rugby franchises at say 25 million.
Rugby league salary cap is around 11 million.
With just the Warriors it puts the wages on offer in NZ just under half that of Union.
Another team brings it up to 22 million- nearly parity! Spread only among 2 teams with smaller rosters!

Rugby league will have be in the box seat to lure the best RU talent and place the sport in higher prestige.

Australian Rugby Union set to increase salary cap from $4 million to $4.8 million for next season

ARU set to raise salary cap

www.foxsports.com.au

Wouldn't they already be playing rugby in Japan and Europe if the driver was money?

 

[Wb1234]

'Scared' Warriors slammed after 'ridiculous' expansion call

'Could be a bit of fear'

www.nine.com.au

Lowe held talks with abdo last week

If they stick to the developing club philosophy then they will stand out vs warriors

 

[Matiunz]

'Scared' Warriors slammed after 'ridiculous' expansion call

'Could be a bit of fear'

www.nine.com.au

Lowe held talks with abdo last week

If they stick to the developing club philosophy then they will stand out vs warriors

Would take what Lowe says with a grain of salt, he did after all almost kill the Warriors when he was owner and oversaw arguably the worst period in Warriors history.
Wonder where all his grand ideas were then? His stocks have fallen dramatically since his QLD/Manly days and post brain tumour and his reputation went on life support by ironically running the Warriors into the ground. By the time he got booted from his ‘expert comments’ job over a decade ago it was clear he’d lost touch with the game

 

[Gobsmacked]

Would take what Lowe says with a grain of salt, he did after all almost kill the Warriors when he was owner and oversaw arguably the worst period in Warriors history.
Wonder where all his grand ideas were then? His stocks have fallen dramatically since his QLD/Manly days and post brain tumour and his reputation went on life support by ironically running the Warriors into the ground. By the time he got booted from his ‘expert comments’ job over a decade ago it was clear he’d lost touch with the gagame

When the Broncos booted Bennett, they never thought he'd be back with a new Brisbane franchise for revenge.

If you're doing life right, you aim to be a better version of yourself each day. You should never be your mistakes but the person who has learned from those mistakes.

Maybe you're right though, who knows.

 

[Gobsmacked]

'Scared' Warriors slammed after 'ridiculous' expansion call

'Could be a bit of fear'

www.nine.com.au

Lowe held talks with abdo last week

If they stick to the developing club philosophy then they will stand out vs warriors

The rivalry is already bitter...
Biggest professional sporting rivalry in the pacific..

 

[SpaceMonkey]

Nzrl runs all the comps in nz

The arlc has no jurisdiction to set up its own comps there

If the nzrl came under the banner of the arl like the nswrl and qrl then it would be different and probably a way to get more funding

Yeah sure. But it’s a rival to the ARLC, not the NRL, which sits separate to both. The NRL runs the pro competition that covers both countries, so it’s complementary to both.

 

[Perth Red]

'Scared' Warriors slammed after 'ridiculous' expansion call

'Could be a bit of fear'

www.nine.com.au

Lowe held talks with abdo last week

If they stick to the developing club philosophy then they will stand out vs warriors

Did the NRl ask them to put in $12mil a year to grass roots for 10 years?

 

[Wb1234]

Did the NRl ask them to put in $12mil a year to grass roots for 10 years?

Have you seen the stadium at Christchurch ?

Heck even their second stadium at Dunedin is a beauty. That’s over 700 million there

30 percent of all nrl players come from nz. It’s not perth. They will produce nrl players in large numbers

 

[Murishido]

Have you seen the stadium at Christchurch ?

Heck even their second stadium at Dunedin is a beauty. That’s over 700 million there

30 percent of all nrl players come from nz. It’s not perth. They will produce nrl players in large numbers

Didn't one of the supporting articles list something like current NRL players from the Canterbury region?

A lot of the NZ rugby players are PI heritage think the last NZ data had less than 10% of Tongan heritage kiwis on the south island

 

[BuffaloRules]

Funny that the A League can have two teams in NZ …. selling out games and getting shown on FTA ..but people are trying to say that the NRL can’t have two teams in NZ?

Sky TV to broadcast sold-out men's A-League derby on free-to-air channel - Friends of Football

Football fans unable to get tickets to the sold-out men's A-League derby between Auckland FC and Wellington Phoenix will be able to watch the game free on New Zealand's Sky Open channel.While the game will also be broadcast on Sky Sport 1 — exclusive to Sky subscribers — the network will show...

www.friendsoffootballnz.com

 

[Gobsmacked]

Wouldn't they already be playing rugby in Japan and Europe if the driver was money?

That's a very broad brush to a very nuanced and multi faceted decision. Money will always come in to play at a certain price point but it'll also compete with location, family and speaking English ect.
For those Union players who don't want to leave, take what SR are offering.
Perhaps they'll get to stay in NZ and get to earn some real money...

It'll go a hundred different way but ultimately another NRL team in NZ will have 12 million dollars and 30 spots... do the math.

 

[Gobsmacked]

Funny that the A League can have two teams in NZ …. selling out games and getting shown on FTA ..but people are trying to say that the NRL can’t have two teams in NZ?

Sky TV to broadcast sold-out men's A-League derby on free-to-air channel - Friends of Football

Football fans unable to get tickets to the sold-out men's A-League derby between Auckland FC and Wellington Phoenix will be able to watch the game free on New Zealand's Sky Open channel.While the game will also be broadcast on Sky Sport 1 — exclusive to Sky subscribers — the network will show...

www.friendsoffootballnz.com

There's only 2 types of people who think NZ can't have 2 teams, or 3 for that matter.
They're either incredibly stupid or lying.
Well 3 I suppose.. stupid people who lie to themselves.

 

[Murishido]

That's a very broad brush to a very nuanced and multi faceted decision. Money will always come in to play at a certain price point but it'll also compete with location, family and speaking English ect.
For those Union players who don't want to leave, take what SR are offering.
Perhaps they'll get to stay in NZ and get to earn some real money...

It'll go a hundred different way but ultimately another NRL team in NZ will have 12 million dollars and 30 spots... do the math.

Your entire argument was monetary

That's a very broad brush to a very nuanced and multi faceted decision. Money will always come in to play at a certain price point but it'll also compete with location, family and speaking English ect.
For those Union players who don't want to leave, take what SR are offering.
Perhaps they'll get to stay in NZ and get to earn some real money...

It'll go a hundred different way but ultimately another NRL team in NZ will have 12 million dollars and 30 spots... do the math.

Sorry didn't see your multi faceted analysis in the original post.

So you're really saying the union players who value money, but not over travel (so the south island only presumably), or can't handle people who have English as a second language rather than those staying in NZ to chase the all blacks.

I'm sure you've done the math, that going to be a huge number of players!

 

[Billythekid]

The warriors fear is that old insular small minded league frame of mind sneaking in. Just look what happened to league in SEQ with the dolphins after the Broncos spent years trying to keep other teams out.

A second NZ team will bring growth to RL as a whole in NZ and if anything will benefit the warriors IMO.

 

[Gobsmacked]

Your entire argument was monetary

Sorry didn't see your multi faceted analysis in the original post.

So you're really saying the union players who value money, but not over travel (so the south island only presumably), or can't handle people who have English as a second language rather than those staying in NZ to chase the all blacks.

I'm sure you've done the math, that going to be a huge number of players!

Yeah, I told you the math... it's 12 million dollars divided by 30 players.
Outside of All blacks contracts , that'll be more than any current players in Super Rugby can make without leaving the country ( significantly more).

Currently we can assume Rugby Union has the most talented players playing in NZ ( they have the whole All blacks squad playing in NZ) which is a bigger squad than the Warriors and probably pay more in total right?

But... a second New Zealand team in the NRL actually sees Rugby league possessing the most Rugby talent ( top line talent) in NZ ...let that sink in...
Rugby League will have the Lions share of top Rugby talent playing in NZ ..
A MASSIVE BLOW.

 

[AlwaysGreen]

Can we back track on this '30% of NRL players are from New Zealand' claim?

This percentage is players who were born in New Zealand, not produced there as NRL players. Big big difference.

 

[Gobsmacked]

Can we back track on this '30% of NRL players are from New Zealand' claim?

This percentage is players who were born in New Zealand, not produced there as NRL players. Big big difference.

I met a few blokes that say they're " from New Zealand " ..
I just slap them and say " not if you're not produced there as an NRL player you're not!!!"

 

[Matiunz]

Can we back track on this '30% of NRL players are from New Zealand' claim?

This percentage is players who were born in New Zealand, not produced there as NRL players. Big big difference.

Yes the ‘30% of players from NZ’ implies 30% of the NRL are players that magically came from NZ NRL ready which certainly isn’t true. Even the Warriors players that don’t come from Australian systems take a bit longer to make it and many drop off that could have been better players had they had the proper development.

That 30% can have a pretty shaky connection to NZ at times too where plenty of people tend to lump ‘Polynesian’ with NZ where many will just have the parent/grandparent connection. If that parent/grandparent that lived in NZ was a 1st/2nd generation PI the connection isn’t really that strong to begin with

Not denying there’s certainly potential for playing base and there’s also a hell of a lot of Union talent too that is closer to the finished NRL product than what comes from the domestic leagues but what I’ve been saying from the start is if they’re going to try and tap the NZ well they should do it right and get the local levels comparable to those seen in NSW and QLD