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New Zealand 2 will deal a massive blow to NZ rugby

Matua

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And you've completely missed the point.
There will be more talented people playing Rugby league in New Zealand than Union.
Fans want to watch the most talented players, it doesn't matter where they're from ( obviously all you care about lol)
The big show with all the stars each week will be NRL.
I'm sure you won't get it, the pompous pricks in Union don't get it but that's exactly why the NRL are in the position they're in .
Please don't change.
You're just moving the goalposts because you didn't think through the numbers when making your claims and now as per usual you have to pivot away.

There wont be more talented people playing league than rugby just because NZ2 arrives. There's more teenage boys playing rugby in NZ than there are total league players. Two NZ teams without any investment in the domestic game isn't going to change that.

And yep, I do care that the players are from NZ, what's the point of having NZ teams otherwise. I can watch every other team in the comp to see Aussies.
 

Wb1234

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You're just moving the goalposts because you didn't think through the numbers when making your claims and now as per usual you have to pivot away.

There wont be more talented people playing league than rugby just because NZ2 arrives. There's more teenage boys playing rugby in NZ than there are total league players. Two NZ teams without any investment in the domestic game isn't going to change that.

And yep, I do care that the players are from NZ, what's the point of having NZ teams otherwise. I can watch every other team in the comp to see Aussies.

2nd nz team will provide the opportunity for 100 kids to play in their junior teams from under 16 to 21s

Ignoring the hyperbole it’s still a huge jump . A second nz nrl side will mean 2 million extra pa spent on those pathways teams

Nz playing numbers aren’t an issue

You might get less Aussie clubs getting kiwi juniors but that’s not a bad thing
 

Dark Corner

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From the link posted above.


Southern Orcas look to untapped international regions to bolster their chances of NRL entry
In a fresh bid to secure entry into the NRL, an ambitious Christchurch expansion franchise will go where no club has been in 116 years of rugby league – Hawaii and the Caribbean.

An NRL bid consortium is ready to break into two international player markets where no rugby league club has gone in the game’s 116-year history – Hawaii and the Caribbean.
In an unprecedented move, the Christchurch-based Southern Orcas will start a development program early next year which will span across Fiji, Samoa, Cook Islands, Solomon Island, Vanuatu, French Polynesia and expand to Hawaii and the Caribbean.
“The number of players that would be suited to our game would be phenomenal,” said Orcas’ managing director, Andrew Chalmers.
“The Caribbean have absolutely fantastic athletes and Hawaii is a huge catchment area of athletes that would be suited to our sport – they just haven’t been exposed to it. It would help with the internationalisation of rugby league.”

The initiative will form part of the club’s expanded sports education pathways and be included in the Orcas’ bid for NRL inclusion.
“The Hawaiian breeding ground is untapped when it comes to rugby league – the athletes there are big and powerful and would be ideal for the NRL. This could be a historic move by the Orcas,” said former Australian NFL player Colin Scotts, who won a scholarship to play American football at the University of Hawaii during the early 1980s.
The Orcas remain a key candidate for inclusion in the NRL’s proposed 20-team competition and targeting players from Hawaii and the Caribbean could prove enormously productive, according to Chalmers.
“The Caribbean has absolutely fantastic athletes. When you think about the opportunities in and around the Caribbean, they are all running ten seconds (over 100 metres), and they’re the bad ones,” Chalmers said. “It’s about teaching them to play our sport.
“When you think of Caribbean athletes, you think about sprinting, NFL and basketball but this would be a great opportunity to integrate their DNA into our sport.
“It’s not just the Caribbean but through the Pacific Islands and then extend to Hawaii and the Caribbean. The success of Hawaiian athletes is phenomenal but they haven’t been exposed to rugby league.

“This is a great opportunity to expose these young men and women to the opportunities that exist in a great sport such as rugby league. It would create a new benchmark in terms of rugby league.”
“We would use a sports education program to develop those athletes through the Orcas sports academy. You’d be identifying all those key athletes at aged 14 and 15 into a focused sports education program, all built around rugby league.
“Our thinking is to offer a sports education model to attract them to rugby league. We need to develop the pathways domestically and internationally.”
Elite players would be developed and identified at ages 14 and 15 before being relocated to a high performance program in New Zealand aged 16.

The Orcas plan to launch their pathway and development academy in February next year.
“The target ages would be 14 or 15 – that’s your key development age,” Chalmers said.
“We would develop them in their countries and islands – they would need their families and support – and then the next level of development would be relocation to New Zealand and into a high performance system.
“That’s when you can start to build all the armoury needed for playing a collision sport like rugby league.
“We want to broaden the pathways. There are a number of phenomenal athletes that haven’t been able to access pathways to reach their potential in rugby league. We will put pathways into the islands.”
The Orcas hope to be the NRL’s 20th side behind the Western Bears and PNG, who will formally be announced on Thursday
See the article dragging the barrel with Colin Scotts name mentioned yet he only played a few seasons.
 

Gobsmacked

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You're just moving the goalposts because you didn't think through the numbers when making your claims and now as per usual you have to pivot away.

There wont be more talented people playing league than rugby just because NZ2 arrives. There's more teenage boys playing rugby in NZ than there are total league players. Two NZ teams without any investment in the domestic game isn't going to change that.

And yep, I do care that the players are from NZ, what's the point of having NZ teams otherwise. I can watch every other team in the comp to see Aussies.
Perfect, tell all that to Rugby HQ. Thanks
 

Gobsmacked

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lol dolphins Perth bears and now the south orcas

At least Pvl is consistent
Given how many red jerseys were at a packed stadium to watch the Dolphins in Bundaberg, I'd say it’s a success.
The Pathers now openly market themselves to include Bathurst as well..to great success.
The Warriors.. now the " New Zealand " Warriors..
All these examples have 2 things in common:
1. They didn't lose any fans from their traditional geographical area.
2. They gained large swathes of new fans in new geographical areas.

We want more fans, more players ,more sponsors and more money in general coming into the game. Throwing the net as wide as possible isn't a bad strategy and ' the' game is thriving.
 

SirPies&Beers

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Given how many red jerseys were at a packed stadium to watch the Dolphins in Bundaberg, I'd say it’s a success.
The Pathers now openly market themselves to include Bathurst as well..to great success.
The Warriors.. now the " New Zealand " Warriors..
All these examples have 2 things in common:
1. They didn't lose any fans from their traditional geographical area.
2. They gained large swathes of new fans in new geographical areas.

We want more fans, more players ,more sponsors and more money in general coming into the game. Throwing the net as wide as possible isn't a bad strategy and ' the' game is thriving.
within reason though. hawaii and jamaica seem far fetched
 

Matua

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2nd nz team will provide the opportunity for 100 kids to play in their junior teams from under 16 to 21s

Ignoring the hyperbole it’s still a huge jump . A second nz nrl side will mean 2 million extra pa spent on those pathways teams

Nz playing numbers aren’t an issue

You might get less Aussie clubs getting kiwi juniors but that’s not a bad thing
I've never said it wont be a good thing, but the this thread gets carried away with the hyperbole, and the post I responded to was all hyperbole.

NZ player numbers are an issue if the aim of the thread title is to be achievable. You can't deal the blow to rugby if the majority of the kids are playing rugby and there's no decent league comps in NZ for the kids to play in outside of the two elite teams at each age level.
 

Wb1234

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I've never said it wont be a good thing, but the this thread gets carried away with the hyperbole, and the post I responded to was all hyperbole.

NZ player numbers are an issue if the aim of the thread title is to be achievable. You can't deal the blow to rugby if the majority of the kids are playing rugby and there's no decent league comps in NZ for the kids to play in outside of the two elite teams at each age level.
Cmon the thread title is just satire.
We’ve just been having a bit of fun

I even doubt if 3 nz nrl sides would see league over take union.

Nz has a lot of potential but most of it is unrealised
 

Matua

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Cmon the thread title is just satire.
We’ve just been having a bit of fun

I even doubt if 3 nz nrl sides would see league over take union.

Nz has a lot of potential but most of it is unrealised
I'm not sure your buddy Gob is on the same wavelength.

Agree with the last point, but as I've repeatedly said I don't think it get's realised with a top down only approach, the cracks are already happening in the Warriors hype bubble, so getting the domestic game in some sort of functioning order is a priority.
 

Wb1234

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I'm not sure your buddy Gob is on the same wavelength.

Agree with the last point, but as I've repeatedly said I don't think it get's realised with a top down only approach, the cracks are already happening in the Warriors hype bubble, so getting the domestic game in some sort of functioning order is a priority.

Top down is a start

League doesn’t have the money spare to replicate union systems

I would say the grassroots and junior game will grow from more nrl teams

Along the way the arl / nzrl should increase funding for the non nrl club game
 

Perth Red

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Top down is a start

League doesn’t have the money spare to replicate union systems

I would say the grassroots and junior game will grow from more nrl teams

Along the way the arl / nzrl should increase funding for the non nrl club game
Maybe Vlad should be demanding the Govt put in tens of millions to school programs?
 

SirPies&Beers

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Maybe Vlad should be demanding the Govt put in tens of millions to school programs?
you really don't like v'landys do you. best chair the games ever seen with unprecedented growth financially, grassroots participation and expansion where he has gotten 2 out of the 4 expansion hopefuls greenlit. but not to perth reds, none of the matters its not good enough

Joe Biden Politics GIF by The Democrats
 

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